International Deposing Maduro was a Massive Win

[CantCucktheTuck]

Oh please god tell me it’s true that trump bombed Hugo Chavez’s tomb on the way out!!

Next level thuggery right there.

 

[Snubnoze707]

Sure, sure...

If you nose, you nose...

Dumb lazy low IQ idiotic bullshit. And you're being antisemitic while doing it. Go figure... Fuck off.

 

[HereticBD]

Dumb lazy low IQ idiotic bullshit. And you're being antisemitic while doing it. Go figure... Fuck off.

Nerve struck, LOL.

 

[Ruprecht]

Reports out of Caracas indicate the Delta Force soldiers being celebrated as heroes

Great, next we just have to wait for the insurrection, rescuing Private Lynch version 2.0 and then perhaps they can retcon an invasion of Colombia to catch Maduro's mastermind in his mountain fortress.

Spoiler: Mountain Fortress

 

[Blayt7hh]

They'll likely just Epstein him

I actually thought they might just kill him. I’m a little surprised they’re putting him on trial tbh

 

[Blayt7hh]

Yeah agree on China and Russia.

Tell me do the US as another permanent council member give a shit about international law when Israel murders dozens of thousands of civilians and starve them ? Or do they protect them with a veto ?

Why isn't the US a brutal government/ nation then ?

I think we can all agree that international law is effectively dead. It’s just another political tool that bigger countries exploit. I mean we were the architects of this international order and we just kidnapped a head of state. We all know it was not about drugs

 

[Alpha_T83]

Oh please god tell me it’s true that trump bombed Hugo Chavez’s tomb on the way out!!

Next level thuggery right there.

https://www.cnn.com/2026/01/05/business/venezuela-trump-oil-chevron

Trump is gonna take a big L on this one. The only meaningful way forward is to hold free and fair elections in Venezuela, but Trump won't do that because he knows Machado would win. And he's a narcissistic little toddler that's angry she won the Nobel Peace Prize.

So instead he's "working with" Maduro's illegitimate regime under new leadership, which will not be accepted by the people of Venezuela. And because of that, the country will remain unstable, and oil companies are never going to invest until that is resolved.

You can thump your chest like a moron for Trump's short term win, but 5-10 years from now we will be talking about the 3rd iteration of Chavez/Maduro. There is a future dictator right now planning his Palace Coup to take power in the future.

 

[K-Bag]

You sound very intelligent and articulate

The TDS Cult uses no logic

 

[Rod1]

do you consider the material conditions and north-south american relations, from the POV of south america, to be dramatically different between now and when we were assassinating allende or overthrowing goulart in brazil? there's absolutely no difference in capitalist goals for south american resources, between now and 75 years ago, the corporations are just called something different.

For commies? no there is no difference because capitalism exists, for the rest of the world where the cold war ended? yes there is a very big material difference.


To the point where Chileans actively reject populists like Allende.

 

[Rod1]

So do you generally support the idea of going vigilante whenever you can't get what you want?

There is no such thing as vigilante in international law

 

[GearSolidMetal]

But I agree that someone probably turned him in for the $25M.

Someone involved with his security team that could pass along everything about the location Maduro would be sleeping, and when he was there.

Sadam Hessein was famously paranoid.
He slept in multiple locations, randomly, in his palace and had his body-doubles... which he has two or three... sleeping in other locations in the palace.
And that's just what is publicly known now.

Would have thought Maduro would have had at least some amount of paranoia that the USA would be coming after him, equalling or surpassing Hussein, especially since we began capturing his oil tankers. Should have been on red alert for a very long time after that.

 

[Hog-train]

How many countries has Maduro bombed? How many countries have the US and Israel bombed? You're not really in a position to be dictating who the bad guys are.

Maduro was literally amassing troops at the Guyanese border to try to take land.

The UN also came out with a 161 page report detailing his crimes against humanity including killing and disappearing thousands of people - also disappeared tons of children.

Yea I'm pretty damn sure Maduro was a bad guy.

But that's all completely irrelevant.

The most important thing is that we stopped China from getting a staging ground in our immediate neighborhood. If you do not understand how critical that is, you need to educate yourself on geopolitics.

The United States just took Venezuela by force. Not "tried"... did.

You fell for the propaganda.

The US didn't take Venezuela - they just arrested one guy.

 

[Koya]

You want to talk about Israel then tag me in an Israeli thread, this is pure whataboutism.

How is you bringing Russia and China to the discussion not whataboutism then ? You the one who started mentioning other countries and drawing comparisons. And when I do the same now you're just evading the point.

You cricize Russia and China for being brutal which is fair but refuse to discuss any act of brutality done by the US.

 

[Koya]

I just don't have any interest in whataboutist arguments.

Is the US perfect? no, its not, that doesn't means anything it does is hypocritical or bad


Is this a real question or a snarky remark? because man you clearly don't know shit with this statement.

Im just going to say that neither the EU nor the US recognized Maduro as legitimate ruler of Venezuela

So you don't consider yourself a US shill because you go to the very far length of daring to say they're "not perfect" ? Gotcha.

 

[Koya]

The US didn't take Venezuela - they just arrested one guy.

Was it one random guy off the street ?

Seriously come on trump is literally saying he'll "run Venezuela" and that the private US oil company like Exxon will get a great benefit from it. Like it's not even metaphor or interpretation. He says it like it is.

 

[Hog-train]

Was it one random guy off the street ?

Seriously come on trump is literally saying he'll "run Venezuela" and that the private US oil company like Exxon will get a great benefit from it. Like it's not even metaphor or interpretation. He says it like it is.

Trump saying he'll "run" Venezuela is just hyperbole that has zero basis in truth. And not remotely enforceable.

Venezuela's VP took over, they still have the same people in government (minus Maduro) and they still have an intact military. We don't even have boots on the ground. So how exactly would we "run" Venezuela? It's not possible.

What's really going to happen is we'll try to steer them to decouple from China. At most, we'll use sanctions and a blockade if they don't comply.

 

[Koya]

Trump saying he'll "run" Venezuela is just hyperbole that has zero basis in truth. And not remotely enforceable.

Venezuela's VP took over, they still have the same people in government (minus Maduro) and they still have an intact military. We don't even have boots on the ground. So how exactly would we "run" Venezuela? It's not possible.

What's really going to happen is we'll try to steer them to decouple from China. At most, we'll use sanctions and a blockade if they don't comply.

That's just cope. He says he will run it because that's what he wants to. He says private US oil company will refine Venezuelan oil because it.

And exactly the exact same government is in place, if it was for drugs then it doesn't change anything.

Good thing it wasn't for drug but just to replace a US-opposed dictator with a US-submissive dictator that will do the exact same thing except giving the oil to the US.

That's what we'll run it means. We'll put a puppet president that will obey us and give us the country resources.

 

[Hog-train]

That's just cope. He says he will run it because that's what he wants to. He says private US oil company will refine Venezuelan oil because it.

He says they'll run it, but Rubio and everyone else says something different.

Doesn't matter what he says. It's what's possible.

You can't run a country if you don't have boots on the ground.

Good thing it wasn't for drug but just to replace a US-opposed dictator with a US-submissive dictator that will do the exact same thing except giving the oil to the US.

That's what we'll run it means. We'll put a puppet president that will obey us and give us the country resources.

Yea Western oil companies will be developing the infrastructure. The alternative was China doing it.

You're team China?

 

[HeffDoesWant]

There is no such thing as vigilante in international law

How does this view reconcile with things like the Russian invasion of Ukraine, China and Taiwan, China has the 9 dash line, Geneva convention etc.

Is might the sole determinant of right?

 

[Koya]

He says they'll run it, but Rubio and everyone else says something different.

Doesn't matter what he says. It's what's possible.

You can't run a country if you don't have boots on the ground.



Yea Western oil companies will be developing the infrastructure. The alternative was China doing it.

You're team China?

I'm neither American or Chinese. I'm team international law. For all geopolitical matters. Because it's thanks to that that we're preventing a world war III. I now understand that you have a very binary view on this because it involves a nationalistic pride for you.

Western oil company will develop infrastructure yeah. Which will be used to funnel the oil to the US. Refine it there. And sell it from there. No one believes that trump wants to do a charity operation for the Venezuelan people. That's hasbara level propaganda.

Rubio said a ton of things on Ukraine, Gaza and other matters and Trump always did what he wanted and made him sound ridiculous.

You can perfectly run a country to your own best interests without boots on the ground if you install a puppet head of state that obeys your command. You just let him does as he pleases with his people as long as he accepts to benefit you in whatever you ask from him. Ask Putin and Lukashenko. Or France and Ivory Coast. It's a tale as old as time.

Respectfully, I'm done here, in my opinion based on this discussion, you're clearly heavily biased and change your values depending if the culprit is American or non-american. So nothing more productive to discuss.