International Deposing Maduro was a Massive Win

[HeffDoesWant]

Um.... Yeah... It will obviously help the average American citizen.

Fewer drug boats smuggling fentanyl into the nation is good for the average American citizen.
It helps to kill the drug trade which is fueling the gang wars in major metropolitan areas.

More oil for America, and less oil for Iran, Russia, and China... very very good thing.

Very good for the morale of the country, and that's important.



By the way, your line of argument is interesting... Let's try it on some of the major decisions by Biden.

Turning Afghanistan back to the Taliban after 20 years and trillions of dollars wasted... How does that help the average American citizen?

Giving Ukraine $800+ billion for an endless war that they will never be able to replay... Helps the average American citizen how?

Opening up the southern border allowing 10+ million illegals, including sex & drug traffickers, & cartel members... Helps the average American citizen how?

Think you should find another point to make your emotional plea that removing a communist dictator of a narco-state is somehow a bad thing.

I mentioned fentanyl as a joke. I don't think anyone actually believes it's coming through Venezuela.

The US congress doesn't (well no mention of it in August) its just a random, sounds good, excuse that doesn't stand up in the face of even the slightest bit of curiosity.

https://www.congress.gov/crs-product/IF10400#:~:text=Since%20approximately%202019%2C%20Mexico%20has,in%20U.S.%20drug%20control%20policy.

The issue with taking Madouro is not that he was wonderful, its that it was done illegally. Vigilante justice is not something done by the good guys, it's the preserve of dictators and terrorists.

If you can't do it legally, you shouldn't do it.

If every country follows the US and does whatever they want it its a very violent unstable world full of nations starting attacks just because they want to.

 

[HeffDoesWant]

So the good guys would have allowed Milosevic to murder the fuck out of Albanians in Kosovo? gotcha.

Can't say I know much about what happened there. All I know is a lawful system even a slow imperfect one is better than countries just doing whatever they please without any structure or real justification offered.

 

[White Whale]

Venezuelans are celebrating and calling out liberals.

 

[Rod1]

Can't say I know much about what happened there. All I know is a lawful system even a slow imperfect one is better than countries just doing whatever they please without any structure or real justification offered.

Any lawful system requires enforcement, otherwise its not a lawful system.

 

[Rod1]

I've seen no proof that this will lead to any meaningful change for Venezuelans. People are talking like they toppled the entire regime, but that would require much bolder and bloodier action than the quick operation we've seen. It seems the government is still fully intact aside from Maduro.

Maduro regime has been getting carrots for around 10 years by countries concerned with how it was turning into a brutal dictatorship.

This is the first round of sticks they get

There is literally no guarantee that it leads to democracy returning to Venezuela, actually given Trump's rethoric of "we'll run Venezuela" the most probable outcome for the next leader is that he'll be an american sympathetic dictator. What a difference.

Trump rethoric is that they are willing to negotiate with Delcy like they did with Maduro since the Obama's years.

This will at least give them pause to negotiate on good faith, lest they be picked off in the middle of the night.

Also the mass murder of Cuban military and intelligence officers would make the next batch of Cuban military and intelligence officer less bold and be able to sleep a little less easy at night.

 

[Rod1]

Yeah agree on China and Russia.

Tell me do the US as another permanent council member give a shit about international law when Israel murders dozens of thousands of civilians and starve them ? Or do they protect them with a veto ?

Why isn't the US a brutal government/ nation then ?

You want to talk about Israel then tag me in an Israeli thread, this is pure whataboutism.

 

[Rod1]

yeah, hope. THAT'S what they're getting. it's not like 100% of US-backed regime changes have been an overall human rights disaster every single time.

Care to mention an example in Latin America since the end of the cold war?

 

[andnowweknow]

Is anyone gonna be shocked if Maduro is found innocent? The Trump DOJ could fuck up pretty much anything.

 

[Sinister]

Is anyone gonna be shocked if Maduro is found innocent? The Trump DOJ could fuck up pretty much anything.

They'll likely just Epstein him

 

[Rod1]

I'm not the guy you were originally talking with. We discussed many times on other subjects and I didn't realize you were a "one sentence snarky retort" person.

But like a few other posters that specific event has you being defensive.

If I didn't list anything that is factual, or if I listed any fake news please tell me. Or if the events that are listed are considered good actions by you just say it. My message listed that :

I just don't have any interest in whataboutist arguments.

Is the US perfect? no, its not, that doesn't means anything it does is hypocritical or bad

.Where was that gradual process and political/diplomatical pressure involving MULTIPLE countries with Venezuela?

Is this a real question or a snarky remark? because man you clearly don't know shit with this statement.

Im just going to say that neither the EU nor the US recognized Maduro as legitimate ruler of Venezuela

 

[MacGregor]

 

[Motivated BJ Penn]

I'm praying the transition goes smooth and is over in a matter of a few weeks or less.

I'm optimistic because it seems a majority of Venezuelans are ecstatic and celebrating. I guess the main threat will be cartels... and that's like stomping out cockroaches.

The dude that "won" the last election should be put in place after the fallout settles out. And given US levels of Secret Service protection...

Only venezuelans celebrating are abroad. The chavista civil-militia gangs are already out shooting and dissapearing anyone celebrating on the streets of Venezuela.

 

[Motivated BJ Penn]

I've seen no proof that this will lead to any meaningful change for Venezuelans. People are talking like they toppled the entire regime, but that would require much bolder and bloodier action than the quick operation we've seen. It seems the government is still fully intact aside from Maduro.

There is literally no guarantee that it leads to democracy returning to Venezuela, actually given Trump's rethoric of "we'll run Venezuela" the most probable outcome for the next leader is that he'll be an american sympathetic dictator. What a difference.

It hasnt, chavistas are still in charge. They will prob let Trump get his oil and they stay in control of the country. Nothing changes for venezuelans

 

[Scerpi]

lol... Viva Hugo?

 

[LeonardoBjj]

Just proving how stupid/dishonest these "intellectual" liberal influencers really are. I mean, he can't not know that Maduro was not even recognized as the rightful ruler by many nations, including the US, because he stole a democratic election that he lost big time.

- Maduro is a more talented Bolsonaro

 

[Mr Holmes]

This is the American Left now... paid protesters who have zero fucking clue what they're protesting

This is fucking hilarious

These people are a joke.

 

[Heisenboom]

These people are a joke.

I think people would protest Trump even if he toppled Hitler. Outlandish I know but the point remains.

I think the little crowds like that are paid people, duped people and opportunistic policy handlers dwindling the system.

 

[Heisenboom]

lol... Viva Hugo?

That feminine lisp of his sure makes him strong.

 

[Heisenboom]

Venezuelans are celebrating and calling out liberals.

I read he's from Colombia.

 

[Heisenboom]

I read he's from Colombia.

Someone had a plane go down to verify their identity. Someone also took pictures inside factories and of the pole. Someone then used Delta on green clowns to plan ahead. Someone, has planned this publicly since 2017.

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