International Deposing Maduro was a Massive Win

absolutely nothing you list here improves your life, OP. absolutely none of it. you will continue to cheerlead the people responsible for every material detriment in your life, and never wake up. pathetic.
 
Real mask-off moment for a lot of people.

They used to say they would like to remove Maduro but not cause many collateral victims, and now that he was removed with only 4 confirmed civilian casualties they still bitch
nobody normal is saying maduro wasnt a cunt who needed to go, the manner in which it was done, and the completely transactional goals it was done for is the issue, i wouldnt get too comfortable praising the current administration, i mean, mexico is not exactly hard to get to if they had a list they were working through..
 
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This thread and its lack of nuance makes me sad. Again, Maduro being bad and a dictator doesn't mean you break international law and set a nasty precedent for other nations to follow. A democracy has national and international institutions where such operations are decided, so we don't plunge in another world war in the future.

I'm slowly realising that there is a sizable number of posters on this forum that are just American imperialists who only pretend to care about international law when it's beneficial to the US.

And for some I'm really shocked from the mask-off moment. That's what's sad.
 
nobody normal is saying maduro wasnt a cunt who needed to go, the manner in which it was done, and the comletely transactional goals it was done for is the issue, i wouldnt get too comfortable praising the current administration, i mean, mexico is not exactly hard to get to if they had a list they were working through..

"You support a dictator and you're a communist"

Broadly the answer you'll get. And from people you won't expect it from
 

Leftists continue to make fools of themselves and showing everybody they are massive hypocrites.
 
The Good guys for sure allow it with israel.

Also the Good guys I'll killed more than 1M people in Iran and Afghanistan, run Bagram and Abu Grain prisons, and have a law that says they will invade the Hague if anyone from their side is prosecuted.

Maduro was bad. Doesn't mean the USA is good, nor did they do what they did except for their own economical and political benefit, as usual.

Ok didn't realize i was talking with a "west bad" troll.
 
This thread and its lack of nuance makes me sad. Again, Maduro being bad and a dictator doesn't mean you break international law and set a nasty precedent for other nations to follow. A democracy has national and international institutions where such operations are decided, so we don't plunge in another world war in the future.

I'm slowly realising that there is a sizable number of posters on this forum that are just American imperialists who only pretend to care about international law when it's beneficial to the US.

And for some I'm really shocked from the mask-off moment. That's what's sad.
as an outside observer , american foreign policy has always come across as such, which is why everyone laughs at all the "leader of the free world" bollocks, remember there were huge rallies for the american nazi party before it got dragged kicking and screaming into ww2, that mindset didnt just magically dissapear, it just laid low till the right authoritarian came along.
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nobody normal is saying maduro wasnt a cunt who needed to go, the manner in which it was done
Ok what's the ideal manner?

, and the comletely transactional goals it was done for is the issue
Lafayette is an American hero despite the fact that the French were just helping Americans to fuck up with the Brits

Every single revolution worldwide always has ulterior motives
 
This thread and its lack of nuance makes me sad. Again, Maduro being bad and a dictator doesn't mean you break international law and set a nasty precedent for other nations to follow. A democracy has national and international institutions where such operations are decided, so we don't plunge in another world war in the future.

Except that its not a General Assembly thingie, the only "international body" that has any sort of legitimacy to call for war is the UNSC and that one has China and Russia as permanent council members which are brutal dictatorships who don't give a shit about international law.

Reform the UNSC and then we could see something work out.

Here in the Americas we have the OAS and if it was up to me we would use OAS to solve our differences.
 
Ok what's the ideal manner?


Lafayette is an American hero despite the fact that the French were just helping Americans to fuck up with the Brits

Every single revolution worldwide always has ulterior motives
congressional approval would be a start..
 
I was initially shocked that the US actually deposed Maduro by force. And did it so easily in only 2 hours. I was picturing some years long guerilla war and pressuring the people under him to assassinate him.

Instead they did a perfectly executed surgical extraction with zero American soldiers killed or any aircraft downed. As a military operation, it was literally perfect and something Russia could only dream of achieving. Russia was trying to pull this off at the beginning of the Ukraine War, but failed miserably.

I did have mixed feelings about militarily interfering with a sovereign country, but I'm coming around to the fact that this will be a massive win for the United States.

It accomplishes several huge objectives.

Reinforces the Monroe Doctrine

1. For those that don't know what the Monroe Doctrine is - it is a US foreign policy position that opposes colonialism or any influence in the Western Hemisphere by other countries from Europe or elsewhere. It was originally against European colonialism - "GTFO out of here and we won't fuck with your Euro colonies."

2. Russia and Venezuela signed a Strategic Partnership and Cooperation Treaty in May 2025, formalizing deeper ties in energy, mining, transport, defense, and counterterrorism, driven by shared opposition to the U.S. China has invested over 100 billion into Venezuela since 2007 and also has treaties with Venezuela.

3. Both China and Russia has sold a significant amount of weapons to Venezuela over the last two decades.

Say bye bye to all of that. All their influence in Latin America just went down SUBSTANTIALLY.

4. The US just proved they're not playing around in protecting the Western Hemisphere.

Did Irreparable Harm to Chinese Influence

1. A Chinese delegation was literally meeting Maduro just hours before. Well what are they going to do about this? Absolutely jack shit - except publicly denounce it.

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2. China has been allying with dictators and leaders all over South America to get influence. Including building in Panama and buying ports there so they can have influence over the Panama Canal.

3. Well we just showed being China's partner doesn't mean protection. Instead it means EXPOSURE and a spotlight on you as an enemy of the #1 superpower.

Yea China might smile to you in front of cameras and promise you the world and give you money, but when you need it the most, they don't shield or protect you. They don't help militarily at all. They'll just step aside and ditch you when pressure escalates and issue a statement of strong protest the next day.


It just scared the shit out of any dictators or leaders that's thinking about allying with America's enemies

1. Maduro literally thought he could invite the US's number one adversary into their backyard and they would just allow him to erode their national security. He figured China would protect him when they inevitably retaliate. Well we're already seeing China and Russia will do jack shit to protect their "allies" in Latin America.

2. In one night, every single Latin American leader just realized it is time to decouple with China and align with the superpower in their hemisphere.

3. No dictator is actually concerned with the United States massive military because they know they realistically won't level their entire country and kill thousands to millions of people.

But they now know the US can (and will) surgically go into their country, kidnap the dictator (AND wife) in 2 hours and they have zero chance to even try to stop it - that is a much more scarier and realistic threat to any nation's leader than an unlikely dragged out war.

4. There is zero chance in hell China or Russia would have been able to pull something like this off. Maduro never sleeps in the same place every single night and he was housed in a heavily protected installation carved into the mountains when he was taken.

Yet the US took him and wife with ZERO casualties or aircrafts downed in 2 hours - air superiority, jamming and destroying all their radars, stealth, cyberwarfare, etc.

Literally no other country on Earth could have pulled this off other than the US.

It secures the largest oil reserves in the entire world and US national security for decades.

1. Quick history lesson - in the 90's, Venezuela opened up their oil industry to foreign investment because their companies did not have the technical expertise or funds to fully utilize their oil reserves. The US companies invested tens of billions in oil infrastructure. US oil companies have also been here since oil was discovered in the 1920's. This was all seized and nationalized when Hugo Chavez came into power.

Now presumably the US companies will be invited back.

2. Neighboring Guyana just discovered massive new oil reserves, which Maduro was trying to annex by force. Now the US companies will be developing them.

3. Coupled with the US's own substantial oil reserves, this will result in the US getting the CHEAPEST PRICES FOR GAS in the ENTIRE WORLD in DECADES. Most experts predicts this will happen once supply chains get established.

4. This will spur on substantial financial growth and most Americans are not going to give a shit about anything when they're paying $1.50-$2 a gallon.

5. Meanwhile, China is increasingly super insecure about oil and constantly looking for other sources. They are super dependent on other places for oil AND food while the US is self reliant for both.

6. All of the major industrial giants in the world - The EU, India, China, Japan, South Korea, etc. They're ALL heavily reliant on foreign oil. The US is completely self sufficient and now will have Venezuela as a favorable government right in their backyard.

Suffice to say, China will NEVER be able to supplant the US as the world's superpower due to their energy problem.

7. Lessons the influence of Saudi Arabia.

The actual Venezuelans in the country will eventually be among the richest in Latin America as it previously was before

1. Venezuelans were once among the richest people in Latin America, particularly after the 1920s oil boom turned Venezuela into the wealthiest nation in the region.

2. Before Huge Chavez came into power, they used to be one of the US's biggest allies with us selling them US weapons like F-16's. They were allies for decades.

3. Once the oil infrastructure is fixed, the oil revenue will greatly help the flagging Venezuelan economy and their citizens. Venezuela still has the largest oil reserves in the entire world by a very wide margin.

4. Lastly, Maduro was indeed a brutal dictator that completely ignored the results of their last election.
Trump is greatest President of our lifetime.
 
This thread and its lack of nuance makes me sad. Again, Maduro being bad and a dictator doesn't mean you break international law and set a nasty precedent for other nations to follow. A democracy has national and international institutions where such operations are decided, so we don't plunge in another world war in the future.

I'm slowly realising that there is a sizable number of posters on this forum that are just American imperialists who only pretend to care about international law when it's beneficial to the US.

And for some I'm really shocked from the mask-off moment. That's what's sad.
the worst part is that they see zero benefit from the american imperialist machine wreaking its typical havoc on the global south. all of the profits go in the pocket of the already-ultra-elite, and these chuds get absolutely nothing from it, other than "owning the libs"
 
the worst part is that they see zero benefit from the american imperialist machine wreaking its typical havoc on the global south. all of the profits go in the pocket of the already-ultra-elite, and these chuds get absolutely nothing from it, other than "owning the libs"

And you know giving hope to 8 million Venezuelans exiles all over the world and millions more trapped at home.
 
Ok didn't realize i was talking with a "west bad" troll.

I'm not the guy you were originally talking with. We discussed many times on other subjects and I didn't realize you were a "one sentence snarky retort" person.

But like a few other posters that specific event has you being defensive.

If I didn't list anything that is factual, or if I listed any fake news please tell me. Or if the events that are listed are considered good actions by you just say it. My message listed that :

The Good guys for sure allow it with israel.

Also the Good guys I'll killed more than 1M people in Iran and Afghanistan, run Bagram and Abu Grain prisons, and have a law that says they will invade the Hague if anyone from their side is prosecuted.

Maduro was bad. Doesn't mean the USA is good, nor did they do what they did except for their own economical and political benefit, as usual.

Oh and about your previous message citing Milosevic as an example where not following international law is detrimental, You've chosen the wrong one. Because NATO intervention despite without UN agreement was still the result of a politcial-diplomatical process. The OSCE verification commission went on the ground to assess the massacres, there was a negotiation held in Rambouillet, France in 1999 and led to nothing, because Milosevic was covered by Russia and China's veto in the UN so he kept stalling. That's why NATO intervened.

You can clearly see that there was a clear gradual process involving multiple countries US, UK, France, Germany and even Russia put a bit of pressure on him in the beginning.

Where was that gradual process and political/diplomatical pressure involving MULTIPLE countries with Venezuela?

And did anyone said he'll "run Serbia and take its oil" after the matter ?

If you tell me you can't see the difference, the troll isn't who you think it is.
 
And you know giving hope to 8 million Venezuelans exiles all over the world and millions more trapped at home.
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yeah, hope. THAT'S what they're getting. it's not like 100% of US-backed regime changes have been an overall human rights disaster every single time.
 
Except that its not a General Assembly thingie, the only "international body" that has any sort of legitimacy to call for war is the UNSC and that one has China and Russia as permanent council members which are brutal dictatorships who don't give a shit about international law.

Reform the UNSC and then we could see something work out.

Here in the Americas we have the OAS and if it was up to me we would use OAS to solve our differences.

Yeah agree on China and Russia.

Tell me do the US as another permanent council member give a shit about international law when Israel murders dozens of thousands of civilians and starve them ? Or do they protect them with a veto ?

Why isn't the US a brutal government/ nation then ?
 
And you know giving hope to 8 million Venezuelans exiles all over the world and millions more trapped at home.

I've seen no proof that this will lead to any meaningful change for Venezuelans. People are talking like they toppled the entire regime, but that would require much bolder and bloodier action than the quick operation we've seen. It seems the government is still fully intact aside from Maduro.

There is literally no guarantee that it leads to democracy returning to Venezuela, actually given Trump's rethoric of "we'll run Venezuela" the most probable outcome for the next leader is that he'll be an american sympathetic dictator. What a difference.
 
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