International Deposing Maduro was a Massive Win

[SandisLL]

obdirsnik missile might have also 3 rd stage and Lukashenko and Kim might get these and use if will need.
with nukes on U.S.

plus with china vancetrump will fight alone. Without slaves ( sex partners ).

 

[Hog-train]

Everything that is being said about Venzuala and the oil being used to rebuild the country is THE EXACT SAME THING THAT WAS SAID ABOUT IRAQ.

They're not the exact same thing at all. You're comparing apples and oranges.

We went into a full blown invasion in Iraq costing trillions, killing millions of people and lasting 20 years. In Venezuela, literally zero soldiers died and we kidnapped Maduro in 2 hours.

LMAO at comparing these two.

THE U.S. MILITARY IS NOT EQUIPPED TO REBUILD COUNTRIES AND WE SPENT 2 TRILLION DOLLARS IN IRAQ.

We're not rebuilding the country though. The country wasn't destroyed by war.

The oil market is flooded with oil and there isn't even incentive by private companies to invest in any oil and gas infrastructure. The whole industry has been slowing to a halt over the last two years. We are probably in a global recession. There is no demand to rebuild anything in Venezuela for oil for probably 3 years at least.

Wrong.

 

[SandisLL]

They're not the exact same thing at all. You're comparing apples and oranges.

We went into a full blown invasion in Iraq costing trillions and killing millions of people. In Venezuela, literally zero soldiers died and we kidnapped Maduro.

LMAO at comparing these two.



We're not rebuilding the country though. The country wasn't destroyed by war.



Wrong.

You are ruled by weaklings and bums.
According to Lukashenko yanks are weak idiots.
Lukashenko told that he does have upgraded obdirshnik capable to reach U.S.
Also U.S maybe will cede Havaii to China and Alaska for Russia because russia does have obdirshnik missiles and china too.

Threfore pump will surround in order not to get obdirshnik on yanks heads.

 

[deviake]

Well China might ramp up their TikTok propaganda in retaliation - so that all American adults transition and cut their children's dicks off. Then they will have defeated them.

You are insane

 

[DoctorTaco]

You can whatever you want about me,

You fart in the bathtub and bite the bubbles

but I've always been consistent. I've always been against interventionism and illegal wars.

Hespect. I’ve seen a lot of sound logic and reasonable stances from you.

 

[DoctorTaco]

obdirsnik missile might have also 3 rd stage and Lukashenko and Kim might get these and use if will need.
with nukes on U.S.

plus with china vancetrump will fight alone. Without slaves ( sex partners ).

You are ruled by weaklings and bums.
According to Lukashenko yanks are weak idiots.
Lukashenko told that he does have upgraded obdirshnik capable to reach U.S.
Also U.S maybe will cede Havaii to China and Alaska for Russia because russia does have obdirshnik missiles and china too.

Threfore pump will surround in order not to get obdirshnik on yanks heads.

I’m going to be honest- I never have the slightest idea what you’re trying to say. You post in good faith and mean what you say but it’s sort of like:

 

[SandisLL]

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I’m going to be honest- I never have the slightest idea what you’re trying to say. You post in good faith and mean what you say but it’s sort of like:

you

You will pretend that my english is bad etc casual flowchart used here.
U.S weaklings might afford to bomb countries XI and Putin allowed them to bomb.
Nothing more.
Otherwise loosers will get obdirshnik on their delusional yanks heads.

 

[DragRacer]

I could never tell if he’s super drunk, or doing it on purpose for attention.

I’m going to be honest- I never have the slightest idea what you’re trying to say. You post in good faith and mean what you say but it’s sort of like:

 

[DoctorTaco]

Y



You will pretend that my english is bad etc casual flowchart used here.
U.S weaklings might afford to bomb countries XI and Putin allowed them to bomb.
Nothing more.
Otherwise loosers will get obdirshnik on their delusional yanks heads.

My brother in Christ, I am not pretending.

 

[Roids]

We literally have ports all along the coast of the gulf of America to refine their heavy crude. This is a massive win-win for a rising America and a repressed Venezuelan people

They are going to reap the rewards of their riches just like the American citizens have all this time right?

 

[DoctorTaco]

I could never tell if he’s super drunk, or doing it on purpose for attention.

Does the same thing in f11. I could understand wanting to troll for lols in a political hot bed, but committing to the act in some podunk forum with the same 6 dorks (myself included) discussing the same 5 things? Oof. I choose to believe he’s a real ASL

 

[SandisLL]

I could never tell if he’s super drunk, or doing it on purpose for attention.

Drunk puppies are yanks.

They might bomb only countries XI and Putin will allow.
Maybe soon will start to learn mandarin properly and will agree to be incorporated in China in order to continue get crap supplied and not get obdirshnik on heads.

 

[SandisLL]

My brother in Christ, I am not pretending.

No, you are pretending. Also your english is bad.
Nothing wrong, soon you will learn mandarin after U.S will adopot mandarin as official language. They will do this. Chinesse will rule U.S likes this or no.

 

[Hog-train]

China Signals It Won’t Give an Inch to the U.S. in Latin America​

Beijing doubles down on its ambitions for the region just as Trump tries to assert dominance over the Western Hemisphere

Beijing has expressed anger at the destruction of a Chinese-built friendship park overlooking the Panama Canal.

China intends to keep playing in the U.S. backyard, Latin America.

The Trump administration took veiled swipes at China in its national-security strategy with the vow to “restore American pre-eminence in the Western Hemisphere” and “deny non-Hemispheric competitors.”

Less than a week after the release of the U.S. strategy in December, Beijing issued a little-noticed policy paper on Latin America and the Caribbean that geopolitical analysts say foreshadows more U.S.-China jostling for regional influence.

“China has always stood in solidarity through thick and thin with the Global South, including Latin America and the Caribbean,” said the 6,700-word policy paper, China’s first on the region in almost a decade. The paper cites how a “significant shift is taking place in the international balance of power,” terminology Chinese leader Xi Jinping uses to allege that the era of U.S. global supremacy is ending.

China shadows each major challenge President Trump has taken on in Latin America, from degrading the Venezuelan regime to reasserting American dominance at the Panama Canal. It is a counterpoint—albeit a moderate one—to what Beijing considers encirclement of its territory by the U.S. system of military alliances throughout Asia.
“Great power competition in the region has only just begun,” according to an analysis of China’s Latin American stance by the Center for Strategic and International Studies.

The Washington-based think tank said Beijing’s policy plan demonstrated its intention to expand diplomatic and economic ties in Latin America, and position itself as an alternative to the U.S. China is gaining political leverage in the region by spending money on infrastructure projects and extracting critical minerals, energy and other natural resources. This is done while its diplomats engage local political power brokers via its embassies.

Beijing now claims 24 signatories in the region to its Belt and Road Initiative, compared with none before 2017. It has also displaced the U.S. as the biggest trading partner with many Latin American countries. “China’s strategy is basically not giving an inch,” said Ryan Berg, a co-author of the CSIS analysis.

China is Venezuela’s largest creditor and biggest oil customer, and state-owned Petróleos de Venezuela appeared at a Beijing business expo in July. wu hao/epa/shutterstock

Trump’s muscle-flexing at the Venezuelan regime of Nicolás Maduro is providing an early test of China’s priorities and its claim that it has an “all-weather strategic partnership” with the country. Beijing has denounced as illegal hegemony and “unilateral bullying” the U.S. military buildup around Venezuela, including the interception of oil tankers that are allegedly part of a sanctions-busting ghost fleet that also transports oil to China.

China’s deputy permanent representative to the United Nations, Sun Lei, thundered against the U.S. in Venezuela’s defense at a Security Council meeting on Dec. 23. “We stand against any move that violates the purposes and principles of the U.N. Charter and infringes upon other countries’ sovereignty and security,” he said.
Most of Beijing’s support for the Maduro regime and other governments that fall into Trump’s crosshairs is likely to remain rhetorical. No one expects China to back up its tough talk with any action that could risk a direct military confrontation with the U.S.

Still, Beijing recently sent a provocative message when state media showed a wargame simulation in the Western Hemisphere. Government broadcaster China Central Television said the computer-based wargames were meant to demonstrate human-machine collaboration strategies, but they also showed Chinese “red” forces facing off against “blue” ships and aircraft around Cuba and Mexico.

Even if Chinese military action in the region is unlikely in the near term, such signals are a reminder that Beijing’s ambitions are no longer purely economic, said Leland Lazarus, a Miami-based risk consultant.

The former U.S. diplomat, who has advised the Defense Department on Latin America and China, said Washington is concerned about Chinese efforts to develop a global network of “strategic support points” that would turn ports into logistics hubs for its military, including a node in Cuba.

In an unclassified annual report to Congress from December, the Defense Department cited Cuba as the only nation in the Americas where China may have considered putting a military base. The report said China had made inroads through soft power and by helping countries launch satellites.

The Trump administration’s China policy has featured efforts to sustain trade in agriculture and rare-earth minerals, while limiting American technology exports that might strengthen its military. In response to questions about China’s Latin America stance, White House deputy press secretary Anna Kelly said the administration has moved “with historic speed to restore American strength at home and abroad and bring peace to the world.”

China hasn’t said why it has published the Latin American strategy paper now. It significantly expands on the previous official policy unveiled in 2016 to include security and governance initiatives since then.

Panama illustrates the U.S.-China tussle. It was central to an early Trump assertion of regional power when he vowed to retake control of the Panama Canal.
Since taking office in January, Trump has argued that Beijing has too much influence in Panama. Soon afterward, the Central American nation—which is so close to the U.S. it uses dollars as its official currency—said it would withdraw from the Belt and Road Initiative. The country’s president skipped Xi’s summit with Latin American leaders in May.

U.S.-China tension in Latin America are on display in Panama.

Trump welcomed a deal announced in March that appeared designed to appease him. A BlackRock-backed group would buy control of container handling ports at either end of the canal from the Hong Kong company that has managed them since 1996 and which marked the strongest evidence of Chinese influence there. Beijing has since put pressure on the tycoons and firms behind the deal to restructure terms so control shifts to Cosco, a shipping group owned by China, The Wall Street Journal has reported.

In a much lower-stakes action last weekend, the mayor of a city abutting the waterway ordered the demolition of a Chinese-built friendship park, angering Beijing’s embassy in nearby Panama City.

The strategy paper makes clear that Beijing’s top policy priority for Latin America and the Caribbean is severing the region’s remaining links to Taiwan.
The region includes seven of the 12 governments worldwide that maintain diplomatic relations with the democratically run island, including Guatemala, Paraguay and Haiti. China has pledged unspecified benefits to nations that alter their foreign policies and accept Beijing’s “One China” policy. Several have done so in recent years, including Panama.

Yet on this point, Honduras recently elected Nasry Asfura as president. The Trump-backed candidate campaigned against his nation’s 2023 decision to establish diplomatic relations with Beijing and said he would consider restoring ties with Taiwan.

The Trump administration doesn’t explicitly mention China in its national-security strategy’s outline of a “Trump Corollary” to the Monroe Doctrine—the 19th-century warning to European colonial powers that the U.S. is pre-eminent in the Western Hemisphere.

But China is the obvious challenger when it references the “hidden costs” of foreign assistance that appear in the form of “espionage, cybersecurity, debt-traps.”
America wants to “make ourselves the partner of first choice” in the region, according to Trump’s strategy.

China in turn is “trying to draw a stark contrast with the Trump administration’s revival of the Monroe Doctrine,” said Lazarus, who called the neocolonial language a “narrative gift” to Beijing.

 

[Prefect]

They're not the exact same thing at all. You're comparing apples and oranges.

We went into a full blown invasion in Iraq costing trillions, killing millions of people and lasting 20 years. In Venezuela, literally zero soldiers died and we kidnapped Maduro in 2 hours.

LMAO at comparing these two.



We're not rebuilding the country though. The country wasn't destroyed by war.



Wrong.

Most people in Iraq died due to a failure in infrastructure, not combat. Capturing Madura is not the end, it is just the start of things.

Venezuela is arguably in worst shape than Iraq was under Saddam.

Saddam didn't have strong relations with Iran, Russia, and China, which means this could turn into a proxy war.

 

[Neph]

Let's be honest, the predictions made here on Sherdog are pointless. These events will likely take shape over years and, if things start to turn south, people will just say Venezuala was shit already and so escape any meaningful discussion.

 

[Hog-train]

Most people in Iraq died due to a failure in infrastructure, not combat. Capturing Madura is not the end, it is just the start of things.

But we didn't destroy the infrastructure. So this is a moot point.

Venezuela is arguably in worst shape than Iraq was under Saddam.

Saddam didn't have strong relations with Iran, Russia, and China, which means this could turn into a proxy war.

If it turns into a proxy war, the US will win. This is literally in their backyard. Russia, China and Iran will not in any way dare to do anything militarily in this hemisphere, nor do they have the ability to do so.

So they can't possibly win.

 

[GearSolidMetal]

You're such an idiot. Brainlessly justifying wars you like while condemning wars you don't like with no other basis than your feelings based on what you're told to believe.

Pot calling everybody blacker than him.

 

[KBE6EKCTAH_CCP]

I was initially shocked that the US actually deposed Maduro by force. And did so easily in a 2 hour operation. I was picturing some years long guerilla war and pressuring the people under him to assassinate him.

Instead they did a perfectly executed surgical extraction with zero American soldiers killed or any aircraft downed. As a military operation, it was literally perfect and something Russia could only dream of achieving. Russia was trying to pull this off at the beginning of the Ukraine War, but failed miserably.

I did have mixed feelings about militarily interfering with a sovereign country, but I'm coming around to the fact that this will be a massive win for the United States.

It accomplishes several huge objectives.

Reinforces the Monroe Doctrine

1. For those that don't know what the Monroe Doctrine is - it is a US foreign policy position that opposes colonialism or any influence in the Western Hemisphere by other countries from Europe or elsewhere. It was originally against European colonialism - "GTFO out of here and we won't fuck with your Euro colonies."

2. Russia and Venezuela signed a Strategic Partnership and Cooperation Treaty in May 2025, formalizing deeper ties in energy, mining, transport, defense, and counterterrorism, driven by shared opposition to the U.S. China has invested over 100 billion into Venezuela since 2007 and also has treaties with Venezuela.

3. Both China and Russia has sold a significant amount of weapons to Venezuela over the last two decades.

Say bye bye to all of that. All their influence in Latin America just went down SUBSTANTIALLY.

4. The US just proved they're not playing around in protecting the Western Hemisphere.

Did Irreparable Harm to Chinese Influence

1. A Chinese delegation was literally meeting Maduro just hours before. Well what are they going to do about this? Absolutely jack shit - except publicly denounce it.

2. China has been allying with dictators and leaders all over South America to get influence. Including building in Panama and buying ports there so they can have influence over the Panama Canal.

3. Well we just showed being China's partner doesn't mean protection. Instead it means EXPOSURE and a spotlight on you as an enemy of the #1 superpower.

Yea China might smile to you in front of cameras and promise you the world and give you money, but when you need it the most, they don't shield or protect you. They don't help militarily at all. They'll just step aside and ditch you when pressure escalates and issue a statement of strong protest the next day.


It just scared the shit out of any dictators or leaders that's thinking about allying with America's enemies

1. Maduro literally thought he could invite the US's number one adversary into their backyard and they would just allow him to erode their national security. He figured China would protect him when they inevitably retaliate. Well we're already seeing China and Russia will do jack shit to protect their "allies" in Latin America.

2. In one night, every single Latin American leader just realized it is time to decouple with China and align with the superpower in their hemisphere.

3. No dictator is actually concerned with the United States massive military because they know they realistically won't level their entire country and kill thousands to millions of people.

But they now know the US can (and will) surgically go into their country, kidnap the dictator (AND wife) in 2 hours and they have zero chance to even try to stop it - that is a much more scarier and realistic threat to any nation's leader than an unlikely dragged out war.

4. There is zero chance in hell China or Russia would have been able to pull something like this off. Maduro never sleeps in the same place every single night and he was housed in a heavily protected installation carved into the mountains when he was taken.

Yet the US took him and wife with ZERO casualties or aircrafts downed in 2 hours - air superiority, jamming and destroying all their radars, stealth, cyberwarfare, etc.

Literally no other country on Earth could have pulled this off other than the US.

It secures the largest oil reserves in the entire world and US national security for decades.

1. Quick history lesson - in the 90's, Venezuela opened up their oil industry to foreign investment because their companies did not have the technical expertise or funds to fully utilize their oil reserves. The US companies invested tens of billions in oil infrastructure. This was all seized and nationalized when Hugo Chavez came into power. Now presumably the US companies will be invited back.

2. Neighboring Guyana just discovered massive new oil reserves, which Maduro was trying to annex by force. Now the US companies will be developing them.

3. Coupled with the US's own substantial oil reserves, this will result in the US getting the CHEAPEST PRICES FOR GAS in the ENTIRE WORLD in DECADES. Most experts predicts this will happen once supply chains get established.

4. This will spur on substantial financial growth and most Americans are not going to give a shit about anything when they're paying $1.50-$2 a gallon.

5. Meanwhile, China is increasingly super insecure about oil and constantly looking for other sources. They are super dependent on other places for oil AND food while the US is self reliant for both.

6. All of the major industrial giants in the world - The EU, India, China, Japan, South Korea, etc. They're ALL heavily reliant on foreign oil. The US is completely self sufficient and now will have Venezuela as a favorable government right in their backyard.

Suffice to say, China will NEVER be able to supplant the US as the world's superpower due to their energy problem.

7. Lessons the influence of Saudi Arabia.

The actual Venezuelans in the country will eventually be among the richest in Latin America as it previously was before

1. Venezuelans were once among the richest people in Latin America, particularly after the 1920s oil boom turned Venezuela into the wealthiest nation in the region.

2. Before Huge Chavez came into power, they used to be one of the US's biggest allies with us selling them US weapons like F-16's. They were allies for decades.

3. Once the oil infrastructure is fixed, the oil revenue will greatly help the flagging Venezuelan economy and their citizens. Venezuela still has the largest oil reserves in the entire world by a very wide margin.

4. Lastly, Maduro was indeed a brutal dictator that completely ignored the results of their last election.

Aren‘t you the guy who made the worst possible immigration thread or am i mistaking you?

This thing going on in Venezuela is W-esque. A pure resources-motivated BS coup. The kind Murrkan pigs love.

 

[SandisLL]

Most people in Iraq died due to a failure in infrastructure, not combat. Capturing Madura is not the end, it is just the start of things.

Venezuela is arguably in worst shape than Iraq was under Saddam.

Saddam didn't have strong relations with Iran, Russia, and China, which means this could turn into a proxy war.

For pump might look lucrative to exchange with XI venezuela and colombia & panama for taiwan and south korea.
Pump already had attempted to remowe forces from South Korea. Congress prevented this to happen.