International Deposing Maduro was a Massive Win

[KnightTemplar]

4th thread. Anything to move Epstein off page 1.

Who?

 

[KnightTemplar]

You can spin it however you want. Putin spun it to suit his narrative too.

Putin lost a hundred thousand soldiers, Russia's reputation as a world-class military power and God knows how many billions. In real money, not rubles. And the best he can hope for is Trump bullying Zelensky into giving up some of Ukraine in exchange for a peace deal.

America has deposed a head of state in one night, without a single US casualty.

There are levels to this game.

 

[PeterGriffin]

i don't know if it's because he's about to check out and doesn't give a fuck or if it is because DJT won't ever actually be the one fighting and putting it on the line, but nothing about the current Administration espouses freedom, justice or equality.

But I know a fucking thief when I see one.

 

[Koya]

US oil companies were in Venezuela since 1920 right until Huge Chavez nationalized everything. For literally decades, Venezuelans were on average among the richest people in Latin America.

Venezuela was even the 4th richest country in the world in the 1950's. So obviously the oil money did reach the people.

I don't follow you man. I thought you were more rational than this.

1. Maduro, international law, double standard

Was Maduro bad ? Yeah absolutely. He was a fucking tyrant. He let his people starve when he was eating at Salt Bae. Certified POS.

Should it be dissociated from what Trump did because it's also very bad for the future of the whole world and deligitimize international law and safeguards ? Yes too.

You can't criticize Israel when they break international law and be all up for it when it's the US that does it.

Sounds a hell lot that you're in favour of it because it will ultimately benefit your own country.

2. Oil nationalization = poverty ?

It's not because oil/gas are nationalised that a country is poor. You guys seem to think only Venezuela has nationalized its reserves for some reason and that proves that it's always a failure ?

Ever heard of Norway, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, UAE, Malaysia, Algeria ? They have all nationalized their oil/gas reserves and it has been a major success for them. It did even work well for Russia, despite the corruption involved, but it granted them economical stability for decades.

Venezuela was led by an incompetent and corrupt administration, so it didn't work out.

I can give counter examples when the oil sector is entirely private and the country is run to the ground by those private oil companies, for the same reasons: incompetence and corruption.

Want the example? Nigeria. All the oil and gas are in the private sector. And it's a total mess where no Nigerians benefit from. Does it mean it can't work out ? No it can in certain cases.

You know that the private oil conglomerates optimize shareholders profits, not national interest right ? You also know that private oil firms have historically supported coups, funded militias and pressured governments?

3. Long term

Trump talking about "running Venezuela" means the world is becoming the wild west. If you're strong you take what you want. Was it already the case ? Yes to a lesser degree. Way lesser.

No way anyone blames Putin or israel without someone saying "trump did it yesterday!".

Plus there is a clear pattern of taking off a dictator without an "after" plan means 20 years later you get the same dictator. And in don't see no plan for the political stability of Venezuela being laid off.

3. Conclusion

I'm sorry but honestly you're just repeating the most "en vogue" talking points. I doubt you knew much about Venezuela economical situation in the 1920s just one week ago. Or what year they nationalized oil. But this "info" is parroted everywhere since the last 48h so here you are repeating it.

It's disappointing man, because I really do have a lot of esteem for you. Your absolutist position is taking me off guard.

There's something else but I'm telling you by DM because I don't want you to take it the wrong way

 

[SandisLL]

Putin lost a hundred thousand soldiers, Russia's reputation as a world-class military power and God knows how many billions. In real money, not rubles. And the best he can hope for is Trump bullying Zelensky into giving up some of Ukraine in exchange for a peace deal.

America has deposed a head of state in one night, without a single US casualty.

There are levels to this game.

There are levels in game if senile Pitin and XI had allowed bum to attack venezuela.
Maybe will attack also colombia and panama and in exchange sell south korea and taiwan for uncle XI.
Vance and trump are money hungry weaklings and bums shaking in fear all day and night vs any nuclear power. Pissing in pants in fear that senile putiin or xi might gave obdirshnik to ajatollas or kim....
Living in fear, money hungry pussies. Especially vance ...

Bums.

 

[SandisLL]

Plus " bad fent labs " mainly are in U.S.
Only rumpvance tandem might yell that americans are too stupid to manufacture fent, pcp or lsd or meth.


Yes, who does have a lot of $ might order coke ( it is nothing new in U.S during last 100 years ).

 

[SalvadorAllende]

Maduro was set up by his own people lol... that is why it was soooo easy. I mean.. zero resistance.

Delcy Rodriguez is in bed with the US.

Also.. Venezuela is still a dictatorship. The chavist regime still stands and all the corrupts are there with the exception of Maduro. Only thing that will change is that they will have to do whatever the White House wants.

 

[Hog-train]

I don't follow you man. I thought you were more rational than this.

You just went on a completely different tangent from your original point I was replying to.

You just said the oil money wouldn't actually reach the Venezuelan people. I just showed you that wasn't true for decades when Western oil companies were there.

You can't criticize Israel when they break international law and be all up for it when it's the US that does it.

Yes I can. The US kidnapped and arrested (not even killed) a brutal dictator with minimal loss of life. Israel is committing genocide killing tens of thousands to more probably hundreds of thousands of people including kids.

LMAO at comparing the two. You do realize Maduro is a brutal dictator right? Would you object if Netanyahu was kidnapped and arrested for war crimes?

Sounds a hell lot that you're in favour of it because it will ultimately benefit your own country.

Yep that's exactly what I'm doing. Can't let China get a foothold in the US backyard. This is a matter of national security.

I'm team USA - not Team China or Russia.

2. Oil nationalization = poverty ?

It's not because oil/gas are nationalised that a country is poor. You guys seem to think only Venezuela has nationalized its reserves for some reason and that proves that it's always a failure ?

Ever heard of Norway, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, UAE, Malaysia, Algeria ? They have all nationalized their oil/gas reserves and it has been a major success for them. It did even work well for Russia, despite the corruption involved, but it granted them economical stability for decades.

I never said nationalization caused failure. I said the US companies were kicked out by Chavez. Those are two different statements.

What caused Venezuela's failure is gross mismanagement and catastrophic macroeconomic decisions by Chavez and Maduro - coupled with being a one commodity state.

I can give counter examples when the oil sector is entirely private and the country is run to the ground by those private oil companies, for the same reasons: incompetence and corruption.

Want the example? Nigeria. All the oil and gas are in the private sector. And it's a total mess where no Nigerians benefit from. Does it mean it can't work out ? No it can in certain cases.

You know that the private oil conglomerates optimize shareholders profits, not national interest right ? You also know that private oil firms have historically supported coups, funded militias and pressured governments?

You're arguing against something I never said. I never stated oil nationalization was the cause of Venezuela's collapse.

3. Long term

Trump talking about "running Venezuela" means the world is becoming the wild west. If you're strong you take what you want. Was it already the case ? Yes to a lesser degree. Way lesser.

No way anyone blames Putin or israel without someone saying "trump did it yesterday!".

Plus there is a clear pattern of taking off a dictator without an "after" plan means 20 years later you get the same dictator. And in don't see no plan for the political stability of Venezuela being laid off.

If it gets to the point where your number one enemy is working with your very close neighbor in undermining you and actively working against you - something has to be done.

You're being really delusional if you think the US is not supposed to do anything.

3. Conclusion

I'm sorry but honestly you're just repeating the most "en vogue" talking points. I doubt you knew much about Venezuela economical situation in the 1920s just one week ago. Or what year they nationalized oil. But this "info" is parroted everywhere since the last 48h so here you are repeating it.

It's disappointing man, because I really do have a lot of esteem for you. Your absolutist position is taking me off guard.

There's something else but I'm telling you by DM because I don't want you to take it the wrong way

LMAO WTH are you talking about? "en vogue" talking points?

Everybody knows Venezuela nationalized their oil when Chavez came into power. How is this "new" info? All the info I stated are facts. And they haven't been parroted.

 

[Darkballs]

Democrats dont want to do anything about anything.

The Epstein files.

 

[TrueBias]

4th thread. Anything to move Epstein off page 1.

Does anyone really give a shit about this fucking shit?

Either show these "files" or dont. I could give a rats ass about it at this point. May as well restart crying about promising the jfk files being shown that never were shown.

 

[Absolut]

Does anyone really give a shit about this fucking shit?

Either show these "files" or dont. I could give a rats ass about it at this point. May as well restart crying about promising the jfk files being shown that never were shown.

Speaking for myself, yes. I want to see s and those who protect them burned to the ground.

 

[Richmma80]

The Epstein files.

Yeah, they didnt even mention it the entire time during Bidens presidency

It took a Republican in Thomas Massie for shit to even trickle out

 

[scoopj]

There are levels in game if senile Pitin and XI had allowed bum to attack venezuela.
Maybe will attack also colombia and panama and in exchange sell south korea and taiwan for uncle XI.
Vance and trump are money hungry weaklings and bums shaking in fear all day and night vs any nuclear power. Pissing in pants in fear that senile putiin or xi might gave obdirshnik to ajatollas or kim....
Living in fear, money hungry pussies. Especially vance ...

Bums.

Well said, buddy. Do you mind expanding on your point about obdirshnik please?

 

[Sinister]

Putin lost a hundred thousand soldiers, Russia's reputation as a world-class military power and God knows how many billions. In real money, not rubles. And the best he can hope for is Trump bullying Zelensky into giving up some of Ukraine in exchange for a peace deal.

America has deposed a head of state in one night, without a single US casualty.

There are levels to this game.

I have a bad feeling Maduro is being an effective politician. It was almost TOO easy wasn't it? And the photos and videos I've seen of him being moved and processed are kind of making him look like a Chad. Telling those CIA goons "Happy New Year" while walking down a hall shackled is kind of a G-move.

I don't know why he wasnt assassinated but that probably would have been better.

 

[KnightTemplar]

I have a bad feeling Maduro is being an effective politician. It was almost TOO easy wasn't it? And the photos and videos I've seen of him being moved and processed are kind of making him look like a Chad. Telling those CIA goons "Happy New Year" while walking down a hall shackled is kind of a G-move.

I don't know why he wasnt assassinated but that probably would have been better.

Possibly because politicians, even Trump to a certain extent, don't like outright killing other national leaders unless they absolutely have to. It sets a dangerous precedent, and Trump's already missed getting his head blown off by a matter of inches. He probably doesn't want to push his luck.

 

[SandisLL]

Well said, buddy. Do you mind expanding on your point about obdirshnik please?

Obdirshnik is Godbachev era solid fuel missile with MIRVs and 3 stages.
Affer remowing 3 rd stage Putin get obdirshnik missile in order to make it more road mobile.
One ondirsnik he dropped on ukaine, next smashed launch silo in dust.

 

[Last Falconry]

everyone born later than 2005 definitely agrees

 

[KnightTemplar]

Looks like tacos are back on the menu, boys!

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-15435715/Trumps-spy-jet-drug-smuggling-hotspot-Mexico.html

 

[Sinister]

Possibly because politicians, even Trump to a certain extent, don't like outright killing other national leaders unless they absolutely have to. It sets a dangerous precedent, and Trump's already missed getting his head blown off by a matter of inches. He probably doesn't want to push his luck.

I dont know, we've executed plenty of resistance leaders. I know a head of State is a bit different and he still may go the way of Hussein, but something just feels a bit odd and overly performative about all this. We tried to assassinate Castro openly and aggressively. There were no illusions about that. This guy we're almost parading around and he's behaving as if he knew it was going to be like this.

 

[SandisLL]

Lukashenko told that he does have some obdirshniks delivered too and located in belarus.


Russia also had attempted to test liquid fueled ICBM and missile smashed silo tohgether with batch of technicians and engineers. They died because missile exploded in silo...