International Deposing Maduro was a Massive Win

No, its people like you who try to say "West is just as bad" when its clearly not true that makes the world this way.

Same kind of retard that justifies things like ISIS because of something the West did long time ago.


Sure man democracy is just as bad as dictatorships got it.


"West bad i iz zo smart"

Fucking troll
You're such an idiot. Brainlessly justifying wars you like while condemning wars you don't like with no other basis than your feelings based on what you're told to believe. Lmao at your goofy ass droning on about democracy. No one has a democracy, not even the US. It's the greatest lie ever told. LOL at Ukraine and now Venezuela having a democracy. Zelensky is a NATO puppet, and now Venezuela will be taking marching orders too. They can say goodbye to their oil and the sovereignty of their state owned central bank. The powers that be just love room temperature IQ dolts like you.
 
Law and norms that dictate that the "leader of a country" is just the guy that manage to become the most violent and powerful in said country?

An international law that says that Maduro is the leader of Venezuela because he murdered and exiled opposition into a dictatorship is meaningless.
The United States is not judge, jury and executioner of the world's governments.

If you disagree with the law, the correct answer isn't to unilaterally play cowboy and do whatever you want to do.

It doesn't matter if you think this is a net positive. Whatever positives you think come from this, you still can't escape the illegality of it.
And when the United States, the supposed "leaders of the free world" break norms on this scale, and in this way it completely undermines the entire system.
Acting as if the United States did this because Maduro is a bad guy makes this all the more absurd because it's a blatantly disingenuous argument.

"I'm glad Maduro is gone because he's a bad guy, and I don't give a shit if this is legal or not, nor do I care what the potential fall out from this will be" would at least be the honest answer.
There are a shit ton of other shitlords around the world doing heinous things (some of which we're helping to fund), but somehow we just had to do this. :rolleyes:
 
This thread will not age well.
It's going to be people who in other threads who proved
They didn't know who maduros back up was
Who the opposition replacement was
The oil fields
The reaction
The cold civil war going on
The location of Puerto Rico and the Virgin Islands
The Type of Oil it is
Who the word geopolitics means
Thought the Epstein files were a hoax and it didn't involve hundreds of kids
Didn't know the usvi and pr voted
The location of Venezuela
The location of Trini
What the ethnic break downs of countries are

And sheer cost of this shit already. They think it's FREE AND THEY WON'T EVER HAVE TO PAY FOR IT BY WORKING



Just watch. They just make shit up. Get caught. Troll or fire off passive aggressive questions to hide their ignorance.
Several of them thought it was going to be a big party down there
Not a mass slaughterfest score settling cluster fuck it has become
 
You're such an idiot. Brainlessly justifying wars you like while condemning wars you don't like with no other basis than your feelings based on what you're told to believe. Lmao at your goofy ass droning on about democracy. No one has a democracy, not even the US. It's the greatest lie ever told. LOL at Ukraine and now Venezuela having a democracy. Zelensky is a NATO puppet, and now Venezuela will be taking marching orders too. They can say goodbye to their oil and the sovereignty of their state owned central bank. The powers that be just love room temperature IQ dolts like you.

1.- There was no fucking war, notice how most Venezuelans are cheering over it.

2.- Zelensky was democratically elected and most Ukrainians hate Russia, which is why they fight them.

No Venezuelan is going to fight for Maduro
 
The United States is not judge, jury and executioner of the world's governments.

If you disagree with the law, the correct answer isn't to unilaterally play cowboy and do whatever you want to do.
Which law? you already said no country has the moral authority to dictate law.

It doesn't matter if you think this is a net positive. Whatever positives you think come from this, you still can't escape the illegality of it.
And when the United States, the supposed "leaders of the free world" break norms on this scale, and in this way it completely undermines the entire system. Acting as if the United States did this because Maduro is a bad guy makes this all the more absurd because it's a blatantly disingenuous argument.
Sure, its the US that undermines the entire system, not the actors that completely disregard them in the first place.

Maduro was illegitimate and commited crimes against humanity so under MUH INTERNATIONAL LAW he was to be removed except nobody has authority over him.

"I'm glad Maduro is gone because he's a bad guy, and I don't give a shit if this is legal or not, nor do I care what the potential fall out from this will be" would at least be the honest answer.
There are a shit ton of other shitlords around the world doing heinous things (some of which we're helping to fund), but somehow we just had to do this. :rolleyes:

Sure man, international law only applies to the West.
 
Imagine being dumb enough to think that this was done for moral reasons or even national security reasons and not for the benefit of bankers, big oil, and the military industrial complex.

At least stop pretending to care about law or the people of Venezuela, you are just pissed your side took a big L on this one.
 
At least stop pretending to care about law or the people of Venezuela, you are just pissed your side took a big L on this one.
It's funny that you're saying this to me when it 100% applies to you. Classic projection.

I've always, always been against wars of aggression, especially illegal ones. I've always been against intervention in general. Before you bring up some bullshit, I'm worried about what we're doing, not what Russia is doing or anyone else.
 
Which law? you already said no country has the moral authority to dictate law.


Sure, its the US that undermines the entire system, not the actors that completely disregard them in the first place.

Maduro was illegitimate and commited crimes against humanity so under MUH INTERNATIONAL LAW he was to be removed except nobody has authority over him.



Sure man, international law only applies to the West.

This is like the arguments where people try to defend cops doing illegal actions because they're doing it to criminals.

This isn't simply about morality, it's about law.
The other part of this is about the hypocrisy of America, Trump, and MAGA.
All of a sudden "the party of law and order" don't give a shit about the law.

Feel how you want to feel about this, but the reason why people that actually give a shit about the law are not happy with this is because we're supposed to be the country that actually follows the laws we're expecting everyone else to follow. I don't care if Venezuelans are happy about this or not---that's not how the law is supposed to work. We'd all be happy if cops executed baby murderers, but that's not how things are supposed to be done.
Maduro being illegitimate didn't grant the US the power to unilaterally unseat him by military force.

And when we stop following the rules, then it completely obliterates any reason for anyone else to...unless, they want to be "liberated" as well. It's a dangerous precedent to set, and other powers can use similar justifications to countries in their sphere.
 
It's going to be people who in other threads who proved
They didn't know who maduros back up was
Who the opposition replacement was
The oil fields
The reaction
The cold civil war going on
The location of Puerto Rico and the Virgin Islands
The Type of Oil it is
Who the word geopolitics means
Thought the Epstein files were a hoax and it didn't involve hundreds of kids
Didn't know the usvi and pr voted
The location of Venezuela
The location of Trini
What the ethnic break downs of countries are

And sheer cost of this shit already. They think it's FREE AND THEY WON'T EVER HAVE TO PAY FOR IT BY WORKING



Just watch. They just make shit up. Get caught. Troll or fire off passive aggressive questions to hide their ignorance.
Several of them thought it was going to be a big party down there
Not a mass slaughterfest score settling cluster fuck it has become
You haven’t explained why deposing Maduro necessarily leads to what yer fuckin' predicting. Ya literally just sprayed geography quizzes -- oil "buzzwords" -- managed to get Epstein in like a boss -- and “people are dumb” into one pile and called it insight.

Fuck -- did I miss anything?

Knowing facts ain't the same as understanding causality -- And screaming “clusterfuck” doesn’t magically substitute for one. If yer position only works when everyone else is ignorant -- then the position isn’t strong -- but it sure as shit is just a LOUD NOISE.

Watchin' you make these kinda posts in record numbers -- I'm more or less wondering what fuckin' banned account you leftovers from -- but if this is the agility and depth of yer opinion -- starting yer own stupidity crusade -- then thank you for the show.
 
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3. Coupled with the US's own substantial oil reserves, this will result in the US getting the CHEAPEST PRICES FOR GAS in DECADES. Most experts predicts this will happen once supply chains get established.

I generally agree with what you're saying about this being a W for US, but most experts acknowledge US oil reserves are not that substantial, they are in fact undergoing geological depletion... and it will take a decade and 100bn investment of private money to get Venezuela's oil industry cooking like that. It is still a politically unstable impoverished nation with dilapidated infrastructure, devoid of expertise, and workers who strike frequently. In a world where future demand for oil is uncertain, it could very well stay in the ground. I wouldn't count on it anytime soon that's for sure.
 
Source please? I'm aware of an 80 year old civilian killed, but dozens? Pretty sure you're conflating civilians with military but prove me wrong.
Not great sources yet but i have seen that claim.. un named official


Venezuelan Official Says at Least 40 People Were Killed in U.S. Attack​

The official said the dead included civilians and military personnel. At least one of the civilians was killed in a U.S. airstrike outside of Caracas, according to her family.
 
1.- There was no fucking war, notice how most Venezuelans are cheering over it.

2.- Zelensky was democratically elected and most Ukrainians hate Russia, which is why they fight them.

No Venezuelan is going to fight for Maduro
At least if to know that he wanted to install Venezuelian conscripts in Guyana : more horrible area than ukraine. Mountains and valleys with a lot of jungles and swamps with damn a lot of mud, rats, hungry animals and very hungry birds. Why? Venezuela does have a lot of gold, crude oil, semi precious and precious gemstones, food..a lot of food.
Just cos appeared that Guyana does have not just gold and bauxites but also crude oil? Therefore Maduro might conscript guys and send xxx xxx conscripts in jungles and swamps to die?
 
Massive win?

What a moron.

You are a moron for 3 reasons

1) there is not a Single positive example where the US invaded or orchestrated a regime change and improved things for the better. It always ends in a desaster for the local population. Educate yourself
2) it was a illegal action violating international law. Its the same russia is doing in Ukraine or china can now do in taiwan. Educate yourself
3) the clear and only reason the US is doing this is to get access to the Oil. Dont believe this drugs narrative
 
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