Deontay wilder vs Anthony joshua

[JSN]

Whoever you like more didnt duck the fight

I don't really think you can make the case. Wilder's team offered a fight to AJ after the duck, but it was a shit deal and less than Joshua makes. Joshua's team, conversely, made Wilder an offer that was way outside of the bounds of what he can expect to make ever most likely.

 

[burningspear]

Its a funny thing when people laugh at someone for earning 20 mil in a night. Regardless if he turned down a billion to face Gojira. Lets get some perspective here fellas.

 

[surgeyou1]

Hearn offered Wilder a shit deal to make it seem like Wilder ducked while in reality that camp wants zero part of Wilder.

 

[Jonny Ninja]

Hearn offered Wilder a shit deal to make it seem like Wilder ducked while in reality that camp wants zero part of Wilder.

lol since when is 40m a fight a shit deal. Absolutely fckin laughable post pal

 

[RDL81]

Hearn offered Wilder a shit deal to make it seem like Wilder ducked while in reality that camp wants zero part of Wilder.

Yeah such a rubbish deal 3x his net worth for 3 fights........and now with the AJ loss he is never likely to get such money

 

[CiH's Dog]

Yeah such a rubbish deal 3x his net worth for 3 fights........and now with the AJ loss he is never likely to get such money

He will make plenty off of the Fury rematch.

Joshua is lucky this fight never happened, his jaw would be lost in the crowd

 

[ZOD66]

Eddie Haern father ducked that fight waiting for them to be bigger names

 

[Jonny Ninja]

He will make plenty off of the Fury rematch.

Joshua is lucky this fight never happened, his jaw would be lost in the crowd

maybe so but he wanted the fight, that is fckin obvious. Wilder should be kicking himself for ducking Joshua. He talked it up but did everything not to actually fight him
And he won’t make anywhere near Joshua money for the fury rematch. If he’d have taken the 100m deal he’d have earned more for knocking out breezy than either fight against Ortiz or his ‘draw’ against fury.

 

[randomg1t]

He will make plenty off of the Fury rematch.

Joshua is lucky this fight never happened, his jaw would be lost in the crowd

are you trying to suggest that wilder will make more than 100M dollars for his breazele, ortiz, and fury fights combined?

because he absolutely isn't. and since he isn't making anywhere near that kind of money for those three fights, the 3 fight deal he refused for 100M wasn't a bad offer. in fact, it was an awesome offer. joshua potentially getting knocked dead by wilder doesn't change the fact that wilder was offered an insane amount of money to do it and refused.

 

[HardasNAILZ]

I don't understand the rhetoric here. Wilder ducked him? WTF...smdh. It's the exact opposite. Wilder was trying for years to get Joshua to agree to fight him, and Joshua and his managers were fucking too chicken shit, as they were raking in monster payouts just fighting at Wembley stadium against opponents they knew they would most likely win. Wilder fought Fury, because that team didn't really look to get into fake negotiating. There is a few interviews where Fury and his team discuss how fair Wilder was and they pretty much accepted the first deal that was sent their way.

Stupid thick mug.

 

[don't quote me!]

The blame lies mostly with AJ and his team, being conservative I would place about 95% of the blame with AJ/Hearn. (As its fair to split blame sometimes)

Principally because, AJ lost to Ruiz meaning, even if Wilder had signed that deal ($100m) he wouldn't have faced AJ by this point anyway. Not signing with DaZN is looking more and more like a masterstroke, very Wily Wilder.

The only deal offered to wilder that could had led to AJ was the deal offering a guarantee of $15m for fight in the UK. That deal was offered before the fury 1st fight. Fighting Fury made more sense commercially, as it has built Wilder's profile in the US and he made that $15m for fighting Fury anyway. I'll be generous and say Wilder has 5% culpability for fighting Fury instead of taking that, $15m, low ball, bitchslap of a deal, for a uk fight with AJ.

I don't really think you can make the case. Wilder's team offered a fight to AJ after the duck, but it was a shit deal and less than Joshua makes. Joshua's team, conversely, made Wilder an offer that was way outside of the bounds of what he can expect to make ever most likely.

When did Wilder's team offer this deal to AJ, that was less than what AJ normally gets? I would love for you to produce the details on that..... something tells me not to hold my breath

 

[randomg1t]

The blame lies mostly with AJ and his team, being conservative I would place about 95% of the blame with AJ/Hearn. (As its fair to split blame sometimes)

Principally because, AJ lost to Ruiz meaning, even if Wilder had signed that deal ($100m) he wouldn't have faced AJ by this point anyway. Not signing with DaZN is looking more and more like a masterstroke, very Wily Wilder.

so what you're saying is wilder knew AJ would lose to ruiz, and that's the reason he turned down the 3 fight 100M dollar deal?

he wanted to fight AJ, and would've almost doubled his salary for fighting breazeale, but he chose not to take the ludicrous amount of cash thrown his way because he predicted the 11:1 underdog would knock AJ out?

yeah... that's not what happened.

 

[surgeyou1]

lol since when is 40m a fight a shit deal. Absolutely fckin laughable post pal

Do some research pal.

Don't believe lying Hearn.

 

[don't quote me!]

so what you're saying is wilder knew AJ would lose to ruiz, and that's the reason he turned down the 3 fight 100M dollar deal?

he wanted to fight AJ, and would've almost doubled his salary for fighting breazeale, but he chose not to take the ludicrous amount of cash thrown his way because he predicted the 11:1 underdog would knock AJ out?

yeah... that's not what happened.

Whatever the reason they turned down the deal, AJ losing to Ruiz torpedo'd any chance of the fight happening, which is what the opening post asked for.

Tickets had been on sale for AJ's MSG USA debut for weeks, when Wilder turned down the daZN deal. Even if Wilder signed the deal, the fight with AJ couldn't have happened by now, Ruiz saw to that.

Opening Post of the thread definitively answered

 

[Casual Fan]

the wilder hate...

 

[Jonny Ninja]

Do some research pal.

Don't believe lying Hearn.

It was dazn, not Hearn, and wilder and his manager confirmed it in an interview. It’s not a fckin secret. No research even necessary, it’s common knowledge amongst boxing fans

 

[randomg1t]

Whatever the reason they turned down the deal, AJ losing to Ruiz torpedo'd any chance of the fight happening, which is what the opening post asked for.

Tickets had been on sale for AJ's MSG USA debut for weeks, when Wilder turned down the daZN deal. Even if Wilder signed the deal, the fight with AJ couldn't have happened by now, Ruiz saw to that.

Opening Post of the thread definitively answered

this wasn't the first time the fight was on the table. every time wilder claimed they weren't paying him enough. when the number grew astronomically, he refused the deal by saying he's betting on himself. it was as good an explanation as saying "i like turtles".

before this final offer, you couldn't really tell which side was full of shit and which one was right in saying the other didn't want the fight. but when you turn down a hundred fucking million, it becomes pretty clear you're the problematic one.

ruiz fucking things up for everyone doesn't change that, no matter how much wilder's apologists want to paint him as some genius strategist.

 

[A-Level Wrestler]

Just look at their records it tells the true story. Wilder has faced 2 legitimate opponents in over 40 fights, ducked Klitschko too. Meanwhile AJ fights Klitschko in only his 18th pro fight, and has WAY more top 10 names on his resume than Wilder despite having half the number of fights.

 

[don't quote me!]

this wasn't the first time the fight was on the table. every time wilder claimed they weren't paying him enough. when the number grew astronomically, he refused the deal by saying he's betting on himself. it was as good an explanation as saying "i like turtles".

before this final offer, you couldn't really tell which side was full of shit and which one was right in saying the other didn't want the fight. but when you turn down a hundred fucking million, it becomes pretty clear you're the problematic one.

ruiz fucking things up for everyone doesn't change that, no matter how much wilder's apologists want to paint him as some genius strategist.

That's your opinion

Another opinion is that for someone who is something of a demonstrable PPV commodity in the US, to fight a british fighter who is less of a ppv commodity in the US, in a unification where the income isn't only capped, but capped at a level where you are the b side in the 1st AND the b side in a rematch even if you win, is not as good a deal, as it might appear. Almost historically bad for a unification, where you are away from home (and before you say it amount of belts, isn't all important look at the amount of belts ruiz has vs AJ and look at their fees in the rematch)

People talk about $100m, its $40m to fight AJ, about twice WIlder's current fee. It's like someone offering you twice your annual salary (call it 80k) for a lottery ticket that could be worth 50k or 100k or more, some would take it, some won't

Both opinion are there and more besides

But the salient FACT which you avoiding, is that Ruiz meant both these opinions are empty theories, as he beat Joshua before any deal could be fulfilled.

 

[Jonny Ninja]

Just look at their records it tells the true story. Wilder has faced 2 legitimate opponents in over 40 fights, ducked Klitschko too. Meanwhile AJ fights Klitschko in only his 18th pro fight, and has WAY more top 10 names on his resume than Wilder despite having half the number of fights.

yeah it’s laughable some idiots still trying to spin this. And let’s have it right, wilder started negotiations with fury based on his comeback fight. Fury looked fat, shit, and for less money (and no undisputed title) than what he agreed to fight Joshua for. He doesn’t deserve any credit for taking that fight over Joshua. Quite the opposite.