Elections "Democrats' Basic Message Should Be Respect for Workers" Sherrod Brown 2020?

[AlexDB9]

I’m willing to bet the dems will shoot themselves in the foot and get behind an open boarders/migrants don’t exist/people can’t be illegal message in 2020

 

[EradiatedHaggis]

Words mean nothing without action.

 

[Quipling]

I’m willing to bet the dems will shoot themselves in the foot and get behind an open boarders/migrants don’t exist/people can’t be illegal message in 2020

Draft a bet proposal in the bet thread and I'm down.

 

[xcvbn]

Voted in favor of the NDAA and wall street bailouts but otherwise seems decent. Tough guy to beat given hes only lost one election in his history as a politician.

Needs to have a progressive as his VP though. Tulsi Gabbard or Richard Ojeda- both Iraq war vets who could help fire up the working class and also steal votes from Trump

I'm not holding my breath though as corporate dems will likely try to find a path to victory without adopting progressive policies. I don't think they can beat Trump without doing so, but hey, they have strategists who think Pelosi as Speaker and running Hillary in 2020 are good ideas.

 

[luckyshot]

Only the political partisan people like most of us here feel like the memes we read are the landscape.
Most of the middle who will be casting the deciding votes arent as political or as partisan.
They see healthcare, economy and taxes as issues. Your opinion and mine are already set. We arent switching sides. Those votes are already counted for each side. I dont think the general middle voters think Democrats are against white men and they dont think Republicans are the kkk.
So the message about workers actually makes sense. The service and manufacturing workers are a huge part of the middle vote.

I hope you are right. I fear the middle is shrinking. That seems to be the narrative that all media (mainstream, conservative, alternate, whatever) enforces. The fact that someone like Brown can win fairly comfortably in Ohio when the state is trending Red more quickly than most others given me some hope on this front.

 

[Deleted member 110072]

Voted in favor of the NDAA and wall street bailouts but otherwise seems decent. Tough guy to beat given hes only lost one election in his history as a politician.

Needs to have a progressive as his VP though. Tulsi Gabbard or Richard Ojeda- both Iraq war vets who could help fire up the working class and also steal votes from Trump

I'm not holding my breath though as corporate dems will likely try to find a path to victory without adopting progressive policies. I don't think they can beat Trump without doing so, but hey, they have strategists who think Pelosi as Speaker and running Hillary in 2020 are good ideas.

I think your dealing with a situation where the corperate dems both exist in a bubble with their own media and actually view more progressive dems as a far bigger threat than Trump. I mean for one thing Trump is probably closer to their position economically and in foreign policy, for another they still have a seat at the table with him in charge were as a long term movement to the left in their own party potentially puts them out in the cold.

 

[MMAViewer]

I hope you are right. I fear the middle is shrinking. That seems to be the narrative that all media (mainstream, conservative, alternate, whatever) enforces. The fact that someone like Brown can win fairly comfortably in Ohio when the state is trending Red more quickly than most others given me some hope on this front.

We here in the wr are the few who possibly enjoy these discussions but my hope is that the more fox and CNN the middle voters watch the more turned off they become and don't watch it or fall into places like this wr. This place breeds division and political partisanship. "Normal" center/middle voters dont have the same blue or red team bias as we seem to harbor here. The hate isn't as intense so they could vote for their best interests vs vote for their team.

 

[luckyshot]

We have very different eyes and ears lol. I think Brown's throat cancer talking device voice is a liability, in any case. It's a lot to overcome. Kinda looks like Rand Paul's corpse too.

Lol, I disagree. Sherrod Brown looks and sounds relatable to me. He sounds like adult men I knew growing up... well, without as much cursing.

 

[Jack V Savage]

Only the political partisan people like most of us here feel like the memes we read are the landscape.
Most of the middle who will be casting the deciding votes arent as political or as partisan.
They see healthcare, economy and taxes as issues. Your opinion and mine are already set. We arent switching sides. Those votes are already counted for each side. I dont think the general middle voters think Democrats are against white men and they dont think Republicans are the kkk.

I think this is wrong in a lot of ways. Your true independents (as opposed to "independents" who reliably vote one way or the other) are that quarter of the population who can't name anyone on the SCOTUS, can't tell you who controls either house of Congress at any time, can't name the VP, etc. And they are swayed by things like your last sentence.

 

[luckyshot]

I think your dealing with a situation where the corperate dems both exist in a bubble with their own media and actually view more progressive dems as a far bigger threat than Trump. I mean for one thing Trump is probably closer to their position economically and in foreign policy, for another they still have a seat at the table with him in charge were as a long term movement to the left in their own party potentially puts them out in the cold.

This is an interesting post, and I think true in a lot of ways.

 

[MMAViewer]

I think this is wrong in a lot of ways. Your true independents (as opposed to "independents" who reliably vote one way or the other) are that quarter of the population who can't name anyone on the SCOTUS, can't tell you who controls either house of Congress at any time, can't name the VP, etc. And they are swayed by things like your last sentence.

I'm not saying they aren't gullible, that is a human problem not specifically an independent voter problem. And you pointed out they arent particularly high iq politically as they dont know who the majority is at a given term. However that isnt to say they are not intelligent. My point is they arent as attached to a team and dont follow politics as closely as we do.

 

[grimballer]

If Democrats could comeback to the centre n have some rational centrist candidates they should win easily, however if they keep pandering to the far left fanatics, trump gets another 4

 

[Gregolian]

While I get what he's saying I don't think it's a message that will work on the national level.

There are some that will like it and others, like Pan was saying, that will view it as simply a politician saying what he thinks needs to be said to get votes.

Like... when you hear the word "worker" at least my brain thinks of people working in manufacturing jobs, fast food, farms and the like... without realizing that even though people in my line of work have to wear a fucking suit to work probably make less than a lot of those other jobs and we're also represented.

 

[Gunny]

With the midterms in the rear view mirror, speculation has heated up for the 2020 Democratic primary.

Senator Sherrod Brown, won a fairly easy re-election in Ohio, despite the state trending heavily Republican overall.

This seems to have him seriously considering a run at the 2020 Democratic nomination.

His message "Fight for workers and respect the dignity or work, whether you punch a clock, swipe a badge, work for salary or work for tips... I respect the dignity of work, and I think that's what Washington forgets about."

https://abcnews.go.com/ThisWeek/video/sen-sherrod-brown-potential-2020-ambitions-59401616





Personally, I like Sherrod Brown a lot. He seems to exude honesty, and he also has a bit of that "Tom Hanks" quality. I think he could do very well in the the Rust Belt and upper Miidwest states, possibly even competing in a places like Iowa.

I do worry about whether he'd have the media savvy to be able to get his message across in the era of the Trump circus.

What do you guys think?

A. Buy or sell Sherrod Brown's chances to win the Democratic nomination
B. Buy or sell Sherrod Brown's chances vs. Trump
C. Buy or sell Sherrod Brown's message as a blueprint for the Democratic platform

It's definitely true that democrats need to find their way on this topic. I found it absolutely unbelievable that in the 2016 election working class concerns and priorities that had been bedrock issues for the democrat party for decades were denigrated and dismissed by many democrats - including and especially by those in the media - as "white working class" issues.

 

[Jack V Savage]

I'm not saying they aren't gullible, that is a human problem not specifically an independent voter problem. And you pointed out they arent particularly high iq politically as they dont know who the majority is at a given term. However that isnt to say they are not intelligent. My point is they arent as attached to a team and dont follow it as closely as we do.

No, I got you. I'm not saying that they're necessarily dumb, but they don't follow politics and don't have well-formed opinions about issues (and that actually applies to most consistent voters, too--it's only about a fifth of the population that understands issues enough to have ideological rather than partisan preferences). They do get impressions, and that drives their decisions. It's possible that an issue-based message can work, but it's not something you want to bet on (look at Clinton/Trump).

 

[kpt018]

It's way too early for me to decide if he's the best choice of the field but he's clearly a very solid and respectable candidate. I think the messaging will get refined and improve as he makes a serious run.

 

[xcvbn]

If Democrats could comeback to the centre n have some rational centrist candidates they should win easily, however if they keep pandering to the far left fanatics, trump gets another 4

Fully disagree. The dems lost last time trying to run a right-leaning centrist. And they continue to support an unpopular right-leaning centrist as speaker who is constantly used to rile up the GOP base.

Only way the dems win is by promoting legitimate progressive policies that the majority of Americans support. Workers rights, infrastructure, climate change, etc.

They lose by playing identity politics with the trannies and immigrants along with seeking the support of free-market low tax conservative voters.

 

[SleepyBoy]

Jobs and the economy are a winning issue.

So many people already forget what it was like from 2008-2015ish.. it sucked really, really bad. There were far too little job opportunities and just about everyone I know was sticking out a job that they were miserable at just to make ends meet.

The whole job market was fucked for the most part.

There is no way in hell people want to go back to great rescission like employment, it was a very tough time for tens of millions of people.
If the Dems use the "middle class jobs are permanently gone and let's talk about universal basic income'... then they already lost.

 

[xcvbn]

It's definitely true that democrats need to find their way on this topic. I found it absolutely unbelievable that in the 2016 election working class concerns and priorities that had been bedrock issues for the democrat party for decades were denigrated and dismissed by many democrats - including and especially by those in the media - as "white working class" issues.

Only way I can make sense of it is that corporate backed dems believed Trump had zero chance to win so they chose not to, in their minds, unnecessarily throw the working class a bone.

Now that Dems have pretty substantial support following the successful midterms and the benefit of the continued disapproval of Trump, I can see the Democrat leadership, that was in power in 2016, making the same decisions to arrogantly dismiss the working class.

 

[HunterSdVa29]

only way to attract white working voters back to the DEMs...

it certainly isn't blaming them for everything