Elections "Democrats' Basic Message Should Be Respect for Workers" Sherrod Brown 2020?

bobgeese said:
I think you forgot the part where they demonize white men.


PS, don’t waste your money on that bet.
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Only the political partisan people like most of us here feel like the memes we read are the landscape.
Most of the middle who will be casting the deciding votes arent as political or as partisan.
They see healthcare, economy and taxes as issues. Your opinion and mine are already set. We arent switching sides. Those votes are already counted for each side. I dont think the general middle voters think Democrats are against white men and they dont think Republicans are the kkk.
So the message about workers actually makes sense. The service and manufacturing workers are a huge part of the middle vote.
 
MMAViewer said:
I think by workers it would make sense to specify the service and manufacturing industries. Not specifically the hourly guy but the whole industry.
The owners, the workers, and the innovator. That wouldn't be a hard sale imo.
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I don't want to debate the merits of his message when I haven't heard how it's going to be packaged but service is broad. And the guys at the bottom of the service sector are very different from the guys at the top of the service sector. In an economy where a larger and larger percentage of the gains are going to the top of the sector, carefully separating out the 2 would be important for your message.
 
Ripskater said:
Democrats need to find a different message besides Hillary's and Obama toward the end. That's for sure.

I look for Democrats to continue to swing with some Marxist angle though.
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I'd bet dollars to doughnuts you know as much about Marxism and I do about 401ks. A cursory knowledge of the key points in particular scenarios without understanding possible implementation in varied circumstances allowing for variance in outcomes that are predictable and capable.
 
I like Brown as a strong pro-labor guy. He could use a more substantial platform, though I think that he's more capable of that than Sanders.
 
Headkicktoleg said:
Like how workers is a term commonly used in communist propaganda
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Communist party uses lots of words like "the" and "is" and "and". "great" is a highly subjective term. "worker" is a falsifiable term that can be sussed out in context.
 
Does anyone think any 2016 blue states are even in play?

If not, the whole election boils down to the dems flipping a few red states, and the obvious ones are WI, MI, and PA. WI is a basically a lock (Trump didn't even beat Romney in that state, and Romney lost in a landslide to Obama. Dems will definitely show up this time.). So all the dems need is PA. A guy from OH with a whole lot of working class rhetoric is probably about as good as it gets, especially with the buyer's remorse they have for Trump. Brown has plenty of time to focus and polish the message. Imo.
 
I like him well enough, but unfortunately, it matters that his posture, hair, voice, and facial expressions are not good.
 
Fawlty said:
I like him well enough, but unfortunately, it matters that his posture, hair, voice, and facial expressions are not good.
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Posture and hair?

Bernie Sanders is the most popular politician in America and he has the hair of a crypt keeper and the posture of a boomerang.

MMAViewer said:
Why him over every other Dem candidate?
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He's a genuine progressive and has been for years.
 
Trotsky said:
Posture and hair?

Bernie Sanders is the most popular politician in America and he has the hair of a crypt keeper and the posture of a boomerang.
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He has a great voice and a ton of charisma.
 
Trotsky said:
Posture and hair?

Bernie Sanders is the most popular politician in America and he has the hair of a crypt keeper and the posture of a boomerang.
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I lol'd at that.
 
Would much prefer someone like this and that message from the Dem side for my consideration

Does seem weak tho as mentioned in a post American Idol election
 
Fawlty said:
He has a great voice and a ton of charisma.
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Bernie?!

He has neither lol. He sounds like an old Jewish man with a thick Brooklyn accent and he has absolutely no charisma, which is why is interviews are always awkward and boring.
 
MilesAbove said:
Communist party uses lots of words like "the" and "is" and "and". "great" is a highly subjective term. "worker" is a falsifiable term that can be sussed out in context.
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Sorry bud, but workers is a pretty important term in communist ideology

"Communism includes a variety of schools of thought, which broadly include Marxism and anarchism (anarcho-communism), as well as the political ideologies grouped around both. All of these share the analysis that the current order of society stems from its economic system, capitalism; that in this system there are two major social classes; that conflict between these two classes is the root of all problems in society; and that this situation will ultimately be resolved through a social revolution. The two classes are the working class—who must work to survive and who make up the majority within society—and the capitalist class—a minority who derives profit from employing the working class through private ownership of the means of production"
 
Trotsky said:
Bernie?!

He has neither lol. He sounds like an old Jewish man with a thick Brooklyn accent and he has absolutely no charisma, which is why is interviews are always awkward and boring.
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We have very different eyes and ears lol. I think Brown's throat cancer talking device voice is a liability, in any case. It's a lot to overcome. Kinda looks like Rand Paul's corpse too.
 
I like him. Still don't know enough about all the candidates to have a personal favorite or anything, but he's definitely more than acceptable. I think he has a realistic chance and a better chance than people appreciate to win the primary, though obviously at this point, you have to pick the field over him and there are a few individuals with better chances. I'd give him better than even odds against Trump. The message is OK. All presidential slogans are empty, but if the platform backs it up, it's fine.
 
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