Elections Democratic Road to 2016 Primary Thread

It;s only one poll but it's important to note, Hilary's head-to-head poll numbers with GOP candidates have actually gone up since the entire email debate. She is showing double digits now.

RCP: 2016 Presidential Race: Head to Head
 
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I made it thru 14:53s of Hillary's speech.
I find it amazing how she talks about gay marriage like she didn't vote against it when she had the chance. The rest was just meh^10
 
I'm all aboard the Elizabeth Warren War-wagon...

Brilliant Lady. Met her momentarily at a talk she gave recently at the University of Washington. She signed my book and I told her it was a pleasure to meet the future President of the United States. She was the warmest, most genuine, passionate and intelligent person I have ever actually met.

We could certainly do a lot worse.
 
Hildog epitomizes the worst type of deceitful, smug, duplicitous politician.
She's brazenly irresponsible in her duties, refuses to acknowledge let alone accept
blame or criticism for anything that occurred on her watch, answers questions
with allusions to her 'book' and on top of everything, looks like dried up lizard.

anyone who votes for her hates the US and wants it debased.
think BrockoX10

leave Benghazi alone!!!!!!!!

Seriously, let it go, it was a tragedy...don't be an idiot about it and continue on about how Hilary was at fault. It's nonsense.
 
GOD I PRAY SANDERS GETS THE NOMINATION!!!!!! He's such a good candidate and America needs him so bad.

it's going to seem very bizarre to me if he wins, even though he's the best thing for America right now. Would be nice to have a guy in there who votes with his heart and isn't a total fucking lunatic.
 
Joe Biden: No 2016 death bed wish from son Beau Biden

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/joe-biden-no-2016-death-bed-wish-from-son-beau-biden/

I called it, when it was first reported, that it was bullshit. Never expected that it was actually going to be confirmed from Joe Biden himself that it was bullshit.

Way too politically convienient, to gain sympathy from a tragic loss in the family and transfer it into possible political opportunity. And before anyone says 'Oh please Gears, he never actually said it himself.' Biden never denied the article's claim until AFTER announcing he's not running for President, six months later.

Read between the lines.
 
I'm all aboard the Elizabeth Warren War-wagon...

Brilliant Lady. Met her momentarily at a talk she gave recently at the University of Washington. She signed my book and I told her it was a pleasure to meet the future President of the United States. She was the warmest, most genuine, passionate and intelligent person I have ever actually met.

We could certainly do a lot worse.

I like her.

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I think the most likely scenarios are:

1. Clinton/Rubio
2. Clinton/Trump
3. Sanders/Rubio
4. Clinton/Cruz
5. Sanders/Trump


Hmmm, not having an establishment figure even get a sniff of the nomination seems too crazy even for the Republicans but Rubio's been polling around 10% and for him to triple that while Trump and Carson both decline just seems too unlikely, IMO.

But the establishment needs to do something. Trump is one small step above Palin. In many ways, he's even below her because he's never held public office.
 
I like her.

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Hahah. Me too, Buddy... She's like a more intellignent, warmer Hillary Clinton without all the baggage. I honestly don't think there's a more qualified person for president in this Country.
 
Hmmm, not having an establishment figure even get a sniff of the nomination seems too crazy even for the Republicans but Rubio's been polling around 10% and for him to triple that while Trump and Carson both decline just seems too unlikely, IMO.

But the establishment needs to do something. Trump is one small step above Palin. In many ways, he's even below her because he's never held public office.

Carson doesn't have a shot. He's just too inept. Even having the benefit of being the Republican prototype of what a black man should be...he's just too damn stupid.

Rubio, however, is diplomatic, well-spoken, and has paced himself. Also, Trump unfavorable ratings are still quite high, so I stick by my opinion that he has clenched the #2 spot in the primary, but is unlikely to be the #1 guy.
 
Hahah. Me too, Buddy... She's like a more intellignent, warmer Hillary Clinton without all the baggage. I honestly don't think there's a more qualified person for president in this Country.

I like a lot of her domestic policy.
Her FP is a big "?" right now. I would withhold my support until I heard her out on the ME. I like to think she would be the exact opposite of Frau Clinton *horse neigh!*




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Carson doesn't have a shot. He's just too inept. Even having the benefit of being the Republican prototype of what a black man should be...he's just too damn stupid.

Rubio, however, is diplomatic, well-spoken, and has paced himself. Also, Trump unfavorable ratings are still quite high, so I stick by my opinion that he has clenched the #2 spot in the primary, but is unlikely to be the #1 guy.


Yeah, Carson is definitely going down. Question is, where will his 20% go? If it ALL goes to Rubio then yeah, he can give Trump a run for his money. But that's unlikely to happen.

I just think the distance is too great. I can see it Trump at #1 with something like 35% and Rubio #2 at 30%

Unless the establishment panics and all the candidates (Cruz, Jeb, Rand, Fiorina) drop out and endorse Rubio as a last desperate act to save the party. Then things could get interesting.
 
Well, see, you're not trying to understand what I'm actually saying, are you? There isn't any significant difference between what you can expect from them, and their positions on most issues are similar. But Sanders is perceived as being an extremist, which is hurting him with moderates in the party.


The two candidates are not remotely similar except through the lens of the US media as Hilary has intentionally and strategically pulled left to appear less of a centrist than she actually is. Bernie is also playing politics, though, trying to appear more moderate in the beginning here as to not alienate or get the media attacking him further, ie military spending issue.

But nobody with a brain and capacity to think for themselves is buying it as legitimate. Hilary has a distinct record of being a typical ambiguous, self-interested, political hack. Sanders has been the definition of consistency fighting against power and tackling very difficult issues at the forefront, not when it is convenient.

The two are on opposite ends of the spectrum with major issues like war, domestic surveillance, Wall Street, and the Trans-Pacific Partnership.
 
Robert Reich just posted on his Facebook that he thanks all the calls for him to run but he's "too short, too outspoken and too unwilling to kiss the behinds of big money" to be a viable candidate.

HOWEVER, he said that if Warren was unwilling to run and no one other Dems- including Hillary- want to tackle the issues he wants to tackle, he'll "have to reconsider."

It got 20,000 likes in 4 hours.


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Is the little big man too obscure to be a candidate? He's very well-known and liked around very liberal circles but I'm not sure about the mainstream.
 
The two candidates are not remotely similar except through the lens of the US media as Hilary has intentionally and strategically pulled left to appear less of a centrist than she actually is.

It's funny how she used to always be accused of intentionally and strategically pulling to the center to appear less like the leftist she actually is. :) Anyway, you can look at her voting record and platform and see that the truth is that she is to the left of the median Democratic voter.

Bernie is also playing politics, though, trying to appear more moderate in the beginning here as to not alienate or get the media attacking him further, ie military spending issue.

In the primary, candidates have two challenges--differentiate themselves from the other candidates and appeal to the base without making yourself vulnerable to being successfully labeled an extremist in the general if you win. I don't fault anyone for playing the game. If you believe that a candidate can do good in office, they have to win and it's not about changing actual positions as much as just crafting an appealing message around your set of policy preferences.

But nobody with a brain and capacity to think for themselves is buying it as legitimate. Hilary has a distinct record of being a typical ambiguous, self-interested, political hack. Sanders has been the definition of consistency fighting against power and tackling very difficult issues at the forefront, not when it is convenient.

The term "hack" is thrown out so much that I'm not sure people understand what it means. A candidate can have hacks working for him, but he can't be a hack himself (except in the context of campaigning for another candidate). Both candidates have a record of being liberals, which is why they're both running for the Democratic nomination. They have some different ideas about things and are mostly pretty similar. The idea that one is an angel and the other is the devil just comes from people getting caught up in campaign fever (and, jeez, it's early for that kind of stuff). Sanders will end up endorsing Clinton, which he wouldn't do if everything you say is right (that they are so vastly different and Sanders is just a decent guy--I think one of those is true, but they can't both be true if he endorses her).

The two are on opposite ends of the spectrum with major issues like war, domestic surveillance, Wall Street, and the Trans-Pacific Partnership.

That is manifestly not true. For one thing, they both oppose the TPP (IMO, both have offered poor reasons for that opposition).

For another, look at Wall Street (I'm assuming you're talking about financial regs when you say they are on opposite ends of the spectrum with regard to Wall Street). They both support the major regulatory reforms in Dodd-Frank, and they both support going beyond that. They have different ideas about what additional reforms should be, but there's no way an honest person looking rationally at the issue could conclude that they are on opposite ends of the spectrum. If you rated it 1-10 with the right being 10 and the left 1, Sanders is probably a 2 and Clinton's a 3. Note that for the most part, Wall Street wants to repeal the reforms that we've already gotten and the GOP supports that effort.

Same with foreign policy. Sanders is a little more liberal than Clinton there but both are way more liberal than the GOP and there's no way you can justify saying that they're on opposite ends of the spectrum.
 
Robert Reich just posted on his Facebook that he thanks all the calls for him to run but he's "too short, too outspoken and too unwilling to kiss the behinds of big money" to be a viable candidate.

HOWEVER, he said that if Warren was unwilling to run and no one other Dems- including Hillary- want to tackle the issues he wants to tackle, he'll "have to reconsider."

It got 20,000 likes in 4 hours.


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Is the little big man too obscure to be a candidate? He's very well-known and liked around very liberal circles but I'm not sure about the mainstream.

That's be interesting. Him and Bill had a decent amount of disagreements during the 90's.

He definitely is left. Obama was left of the Clintons but his election was historical. I'm not sure a guy that ideological would get far.
 
Hillary Clinton Seeks to Capture Spirit of 2000 Campaign
HILLARY RODHAM CLINTON was feeling good.

Rick A. Lazio, her Republican opponent in the race for senator from New York, had appeared, to some, overly aggressive in their debate the night before. Walking out of a Buffalo diner on the morning of Sept. 14, 2000, she headed over to a crowd of people in the parking lot, cordoned off by police tape, who were waiting to meet her.
 
Reich was secretary of Labour in Clinton Administration, but endorsed Obama in 2008 - Did he do a mea culpa on his Clinton years, being Labor Secretary when NAFTA passed etc?

He basically wants to be on the stage to debate domestic/economic issues and get Hillary on record on them more than actually believing he has a chance of course.

His better bet would be trying to get into O'Malley's ear and see if he could be a economic vision kindred spirit.

Never happen but Reich and Christie as respective party nominees would be a sight. Big ol round fat guy and a 4'10" skinny guy.
 
Black Lives Matter protesters disrupt Clinton speech
Protesters with the Black Lives Matter movement disrupted Hillary Clinton's speech in Atlanta on Friday, yelling over her as she tried to talk about civil rights leaders.
"I have been meeting with the activists of Black Lives Matter," Clinton said, trying to speak as the protesters chanted. "But I'm going to recognize some of the women of the civil rights movement."

Clinton's young black challenge
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The campaign was set on letting the protesters have their voices heard -- even if it meant their chants of “Black Lives Matter” drowned out the words of Hillary Clinton, who traveled to Atlanta Friday afternoon to discuss race with African American voters.
Standing on stage with Georgia Rep. John Lewis, Clinton attempted to pay homage to him and other leaders of the civil rights movement, recounting her own brief meeting as a Chicago teen with Martin Luther King, Jr. -- but the new generation of black activists had little interest in dwelling on the past.
 
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Sympathize with the sentiment / don't get the tactics
 
Robert Reich just posted on his Facebook that he thanks all the calls for him to run but he's "too short, too outspoken and too unwilling to kiss the behinds of big money" to be a viable candidate.

HOWEVER, he said that if Warren was unwilling to run and no one other Dems- including Hillary- want to tackle the issues he wants to tackle, he'll "have to reconsider."

It got 20,000 likes in 4 hours.

Seems like O'Malley is going after potential Warren voters. I'm not a huge fan of his, but he's better than Clinton (or Reich).
 
Sanders shows a softer side in MSNBC forum
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Showing a more personable side, Sen. Bernie Sanders on Friday night sought to clearly differentiate himself from Hillary Clinton without devolving into frontal attacks that have seemed like an uncomfortable fit with his brand of issue-based politics.
“The media drives me nuts,” Sanders told MSNBC’s Rachel Maddow, who was sitting for one of three back-to-back interviews with the Democratic candidates in an event billed as the First in the South Presidential Forum. In front of a live audience of some 3,000 South Carolinians, Maddow pressed the Vermont senator to expound on a recent interview with the editorial board of the Boston Globe newspaper in which he stated, “I disagree with Hillary Clinton on virtually everything.”


Has Bernie Sanders Peaked?
Bernie Sanders's long-shot bid to speed past Hillary Clinton and become the Democratic presidential nominee seems to have hit a rough patch.
The Vermont senator's impressive, populist campaign has featured massive crowds, double-digit leads in New Hampshire, competitive contrasts with Clinton in Iowa, and steady growth in national surveys. Yet an analysis of the most recent polling numbers show that the self-described democratic socialist may already have peaked.
“Sanders is not so much declining, but has maximized his potential support and bumping up against his ceiling,” said Ken Goldstein, a professor of politics at the University of San Francisco and polling analyst for Bloomberg Politics.

20k posts. I need a life
 
O'Malley polled a whopping 2% in most recent Dem Primary Florida polling. Hillary polled at 58%. FWIW Biden was second at 13%. Warren came in at 10%.
 
Sure do wish Sherdog leftists were as passionate as our right-wing counterparts.

The ones on the left aren't fighting a holy mission to save the souls of the other side through free market economics and "personal responsibility", so they're just not going to try as hard.
 
I enjoyed reich's movie on inequality -it's on netflix
 
The term "hack" is thrown out so much that I'm not sure people understand what it means. A candidate can have hacks working for him, but he can't be a hack himself (except in the context of campaigning for another candidate). Both candidates have a record of being liberals, which is why they're both running for the Democratic nomination. They have some different ideas about things and are mostly pretty similar. The idea that one is an angel and the other is the devil just comes from people getting caught up in campaign fever (and, jeez, it's early for that kind of stuff). Sanders will end up endorsing Clinton, which he wouldn't do if everything you say is right (that they are so vastly different and Sanders is just a decent guy--I think one of those is true, but they can't both be true if he endorses her).

We just finished a "marathon" 78 day election period here in Canada, and it was exhausting, I don't know how I could cope with 24/7 bullshit for almost 2 years. Of course it's not all bull, but the news has so much time to fill that it makes it feel like a way too long season of Big Brother. The constant campaign grind is one of those problems I wish America would sort out before I move back, especially at the Congressional level.
 
Yeah, Carson is definitely going down. Question is, where will his 20% go? If it ALL goes to Rubio then yeah, he can give Trump a run for his money. But that's unlikely to happen.

I just think the distance is too great. I can see it Trump at #1 with something like 35% and Rubio #2 at 30%

Unless the establishment panics and all the candidates (Cruz, Jeb, Rand, Fiorina) drop out and endorse Rubio as a last desperate act to save the party. Then things could get interesting.

I think a fair chunk of it goes to Trump and Cruz, and Rubio gets a lesser but reasonable piece. He's still Republican establishment, he's just young and charismatic and pro-immigration, and most Carson backers seem to hate those four things. He will still be the nominee though, unless the opposition hits on a piece of rhetoric that really resonates against him. Bush-Walker-Rubio was my guess coming into the primary, and I think it's still a Bush-Rubio race, but becoming lopsided. If Rubio stays hot and takes early States and then Florida, Bush will see the writing on the wall. Rubio/Kasich is the ticket they need if they want a winner, so here's hoping for Trump/Fiorina.
 
I think a fair chunk of it goes to Trump and Cruz, and Rubio gets a lesser but reasonable piece. He's still Republican establishment, he's just young and charismatic and pro-immigration, and most Carson backers seem to hate those four things. He will still be the nominee though, unless the opposition hits on a piece of rhetoric that really resonates against him. Bush-Walker-Rubio was my guess coming into the primary, and I think it's still a Bush-Rubio race, but becoming lopsided. If Rubio stays hot and takes early States and then Florida, Bush will see the writing on the wall. Rubio/Kasich is the ticket they need if they want a winner, so here's hoping for Trump/Fiorina.

How is Rubio a pro immigration guy beat Trump who is the opposite?
 
How is Rubio a pro immigration guy beat Trump who is the opposite?

Because he can wrap it in enough rhetoric that it won't be a big deal until the general, and Republicans will vote for him anyway, to keep a Hillary or Bernie out. Whomever the next President is will sign some sort of immigration reform and likely offer amnesty to large segments of the Mexican community already here, it's silly that the Republicans have let this issue derail their primary, though it would have been something else like repealing Obamacare or overturning gay marriage if not this. Trump's polling numbers will not transfer into the voting booth, I am fairly confident in this.
 
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