Elections Democratic Road to 2016 Primary Thread

[ShoelessRye]

Its a lie because she lied and its plain as day.

I get that it wasn't illegal, so why even address it? Or simply field a couple of questions with the answer: "It was legal at the time of my service", then add in all that stuff about providing her personal emails as well.

She addressed it because the Rightwing Outrage Machine is out pushing this like they pushed Benghazi. This has been going on for more than a week now and she finally addressed it because it wasn't going away even after it was pointed out to the media that it was perfectly legal at the time. Maybe she didn't address it earlier because she thought it was a silly non-story with a lame ass reason of convenience.

Idk, this could just be a right wing smokescreen with regards to money for favors.
My point is, does the CF accept money from the Saudis?

Kind of like Ron Paul accepting money from stormfront-esque orgs, yeah?

American Government does business with the Saudi's. Sure a lot are repressive bastards of varying degrees but the US has to play nice with them while their oil is needed anyways. Also having a relationship with them might make it easier to move them in the right direction rather than freezing them out and criticizing them from the outside. Not saying it's not slimy. Bush kissed the King, Obama friggin bowed to him. Their money being used for whatever initiative of the moment the Clinton Foundation is championing is better use than whatever else they'd spend it on.

 

[Lead]

After the debate Biden staying out is for the best.

Sure makes the next five debates less exciting. I guess they made the right call with the short number.

 

[Anung Un Rama]

She addressed it because the Rightwing Outrage Machine is out pushing this like they pushed Benghazi. This has been going on for more than a week now and she finally addressed it because it wasn't going away even after it was pointed out to the media that it was perfectly legal at the time. Maybe she didn't address it earlier because she thought it was a silly non-story with a lame ass reason of convenience.



American Government does business with the Saudi's. Sure a lot are repressive bastards of varying degrees but the US has to play nice with them while their oil is needed anyways. Also having a relationship with them might make it easier to move them in the right direction rather than freezing them out and criticizing them from the outside. Not saying it's not slimy. Bush kissed the King, Obama friggin bowed to him. Their money being used for whatever initiative of the moment the Clinton Foundation is championing is better use than whatever else they'd spend it on.

She lied.
Woman are second class citizens at best in SA.
And Obama bowing to another foreign leader ... Let's just keep this about your gf, Hill.

 

[speakhandsforme]

Bernie is looking REALLY good on Kimmel right now: BY FAR his best network showing. He was loose, well-spoken, and very funny, and he expanded his platform much more than he has yet.

I really wish this interview could have taken place on Fallon or Colbert. But, either way, it makes me much more optimistic.

 

[ShoelessRye]

She lied when? Because you don't like her reason today? It wasn't illegal or against any standing rule at the time, so she made a personal choice not to use the government account. You're watching too much Fox News if you think this is a thing.

 

[Possum Jenkins]

Bernie is looking REALLY good on Kimmel right now: BY FAR his best network showing. He was loose, well-spoken, and very funny, and he expanded his platform much more than he has yet.

I really wish this interview could have taken place on Fallon or Colbert. But, either way, it makes me much more optimistic.

Really? I thought it was a pretty average showing.

It sucks to say it, but I think him being funny, witty, with some clever quips here and there it'd help him get a few points. He just doesn't have the personality that a LOT of people look to.

I'd love to live in a world where ideas and proposals were the end all be all, but personality matters and Bernie's looks and personality is weighing against him.

 

[Anung Un Rama]

I don't watch fox news. I was fortunate enough to see her presser while I was getting my haircut (CNN).

How many times are you going to repeat "It was legal"? I've already agreed to that point several times.

Maybe its not a thing, but she lied. And most people don't lie if they don't have to.

 

[Jack V Savage]

Chafee is out, people. I repeat, Chafee is out. I wonder who will pick up his voter.

 

[rshawneecarbon1]

No dem is winning presidency. Id bet money on that.

Hilary is essentialy there ownly viable candidate, and besides Joe Biden, I cant think of an easier target to destroy when campaigning. To top it off shes a poor speaker and boring..

Whose there next best chance? Al fucking Gore? Good lord.

A republican is winning office, lets just hope it isnt Bush. Ted Cruz has no shot, hes too goofy looking.

 

[Diamond Jim]

Chafee is out, people. I repeat, Chafee is out. I wonder who will pick up his voter.

And so goes the Metric System white knight.

 

[Lead]

No dem is winning presidency. Id bet money on that.

Hilary is essentialy there ownly viable candidate, and besides Joe Biden, I cant think of an easier target to destroy when campaigning. To top it off shes a poor speaker and boring..

Whose there next best chance? Al fucking Gore? Good lord.

A republican is winning office, lets just hope it isnt Bush. Ted Cruz has no shot, hes too goofy looking.

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I'm not a grammar Nazi but I doubt your sure bet.

 

[Lead]

Lincoln Chafee’s Polling Was … Consistent, At Least

Lincoln Chafee, a former governor and senator from Rhode Island, decided to end his campaign for the Democratic nomination for president today. Chafee’s campaign was quixotic and, well, funny from the start, but he seems like a decent-enough guy, so I wanted to give Chafee his polling due (and a fond farewell).

Lincoln Chafee ends Democratic bid for president

Democratic presidential hopeful Lincoln Chafee announced Friday that he is withdrawing from the race, ending a bid that had failed to gain any traction.

Chafee, a former governor and U.S. senator from Rhode Island, used an appearance in Washington at a Democratic National Committee forum on women’s leadership to make his announcement.

Chafee bowed out with a plea for “an end to the endless wars and the beginning of a new era for the United States and humanity.”

 

[rshawneecarbon1]

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I'm not a grammar Nazi but I doubt your sure bet.

Thanks man! I didnt know any of that.

And Its a sure bet. You can bet on it!

 

[Lead]

Clinton’s curse and her salvation: Her enemies

Throughout her political career, Hillary Rodham Clinton’s greatest curse — the reaction she provokes in her adversaries — has also been her salvation.

That was proved once again during her 11-hour inquisition by the House Select Committee on Benghazi, a Republican-engineered trainwreck from which she emerged without a scratch.

Pale, hoarse and weary as she was, the former secretary of state left the hearing room looking stronger than she has at any point since she announced her second campaign for president.

Benghazi hearing floods Clinton campaign coffers with cash

Call it the Committee To Increase Hillary Clinton's Fundraising.
Donations have been flooding into campaign coffers over the past 13 hours since her testimony in front of the House Benghazi committee wrapped late Thursday night, thrilling Clinton fundraisers on the eve of a weekend-long finance committee meeting that couldn’t have come at a better time. According to communications director Jennifer Palmieri, the hour between 9:00 p.m. and 10:00 p.m. last night was their best fundraising hour of the campaign to date.

 

[Lead]

Thanks man! I didnt know any of that.

And Its a sure bet. You can bet on it!

There are lines already out. I bet you could make so good money.

 

[Ayin]

And so goes the Metric System white knight.

Aw, you guys had a chance to support Metric? Sad to see that slip away. Simple math measurements for the win.

 

[ShoelessRye]

I don't watch fox news.

Well Hillary isn't my GF either.

 

[speakhandsforme]

Clinton’s curse and her salvation: Her enemies


Benghazi hearing floods Clinton campaign coffers with cash

I spent two hours this morning watching the replay of Thursday's hearing.

Probably the most asinine, useless, and wasteful political exercise I've ever. seen.

Some of the Republicans, Jim Jordan from Ohio in particular, were fucking pathetic. They know they have nothing and are being completely dishonest and they just don't care.

I'll be honest: watching Clinton in that hearing made me have a heck of a lot more respect for her.

 

[Possum Jenkins]

Warren is the equivalent to Rand Paul in the GOP for electability. Liberals like her a lot but fail to see how independents would perceive here.

Fun hypothetical. Which would you rather have?
Bush v. Clinton or Warren v. Paul?

Mmmm, I don't think Warren and Paul are alike in that sense. Paul has deep ideological differences with mainstream GOP voters. I mean, his foreign policy stances are completely, totally against mainstream GOP stuff. Same with marijuana and abortion.

None of Warren's views clash strongly with mainstream Dem voters. She's even coming around on Israel (a few years ago she was fervently in favor of whatever they did- now she's more critical) so there really aren't any big differences.

I really think her problem is visibility. Hillary is very much a household name. Only a few know Warren.

And Warren vs Paul would be my ideal matchup. The country and the world would be such a better place if that happened.

 

[Jack V Savage]

Idk how Bernie isn't resonating with African Americans and Hispanics given his policies are likely to help them the most

Minorities are more consistently Democrat leaning (obviously, and by a huge margin) but also the more-moderate part of the coalition.

 

[ShoelessRye]

^I really don't think she wants it. Not everybody has the ego to want to be leader of the free world.

I think if she did really want it that enough money would be there to mount a viable primary campaign and she has a quiet charisma about her that make people want to listen to her.

 

[oleDirtyBast4rd]

Minorities are more consistently Democrat leaning (obviously, and by a huge margin) but also the more-moderate part of the coalition.

I don't get it really. Whenever I ask a minority if they want more government control in their lives or less almost always say less. When I ask if they trust the government they almost always say no. Why then do these people vote for big government that wants to control every facet of their lives?

 

[reflector]

I could easily see Warren or Sanders getting the Democratic nomination. I don't think the race is over on the Democrat side.

 

[Jack V Savage]

I don't get it really. Whenever I ask a minority if they want more government control in their lives or less almost always say less. When I ask if they trust the government they almost always say no. Why then do these people vote for big government that wants to control every facet of their lives?

They don't. That's just how the GOP markets itself (by mischaracterizing Democratic policy that way).

 

[Denter]

I could easily see Warren or Sanders getting the Democratic nomination. I don't think the race is over on the Democrat side.

Bernie Sanders would get smoked.

Warren more realistic.

 

[SouthoftheAndes]

I don't get it really. Whenever I ask a minority if they want more government control in their lives or less almost always say less. When I ask if they trust the government they almost always say no. Why then do these people vote for big government that wants to control every facet of their lives?

This has not been the case in my experience. Its not that they wait to be dependent on government. They just realize that proper government can do more for the people than "states".

They don't. That's just how the GOP markets itself (by mischaracterizing Democratic policy that way).

Democrats stand up for minorities more and often do that through government (proper government intervention). Its like the gay issue now, what LGBTQI person will wish to affiliate with the party which says god hates them and wants to deny them rights of freedom under the guise of "states rights".

 

[Lead]

Martin O'Malley Really Does Not Want to Talk About Hillary Clinton's Emails

If former Maryland Gov. Martin O'Malley's speech to a firefighters' union on Tuesday was a test of his political ability, a talk he gave on Wednesday was a test of his governance.

O'Malley was at the Brookings Institution on Wednesday to talk about "data-driven government"

 

[speakhandsforme]

I don't get it really. Whenever I ask a minority if they want more government control in their lives or less almost always say less. When I ask if they trust the government they almost always say no. Why then do these people vote for big government that wants to control every facet of their lives?

This is so silly.

 

[Lead]

Clinton Launches Twitter Attack on GOP Hopefuls Over Iran Letter

Change of subject, anyone?

One day after holding a press conference at the United Nations to try and explain her use of a private e-mail account and server during her tenure as secretary of state, Hillary Clinton took to Twitter to slam the Republican senators who signed a letter to Iran that she said "undermines" American foreign policy.

"GOP letter to Iranian clerics undermines American leadership," Clinton wrote in the tweet that was posted Wednesday afternoon. "No one considering running for commander-in-chief should be signing on."

 

[Anung Un Rama]

How is Hillary Clinton's "very liberal" voting record more moderate than Bernie Sanders?
Is it because she balances out by voting for the War in Iraq or because she supports the War on Drugs/ Prison Industrial Complex?

 

[Lead]

AP Sues State Department for Clinton E-Mails

The Associated Press sued the U.S. State Department for Hillary Clinton

 

[Graves The Elder]

the hearing was pure theater, approved by her beforehand.
it was done to paint her as a blameless victim of scapegoating by
an inept, transparently malicious group of reps.

the farce continues.
fucking sad.

 

[Lead]

Democrats See The Media As Biased Against Clinton

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[Lead]

We are finally almost to a v2 thread but we will have 3 options in the poll :icon_chee

 

[Possum Jenkins]

Bernie Sanders would get smoked.

Warren more realistic.

Yeah, Sanders is a self-described socialist. That alone makes him unelectable.

Most of his views go along perfectly with most liberal and many centrist voters, but the socialist stigma makes it impossible for him to get elected.

Thank you, 150 years of American government/corporate propaganda.

 

[Jack V Savage]

How is Hillary Clinton's "very liberal" voting record more moderate than Bernie Sanders?
Is it because she balances out by voting for the War in Iraq or because she supports the War on Drugs/ Prison Industrial Complex?

Clinton's voting record while in the senate was the 11th most liberal of all senators in that period, in terms of DW-Nominate score (a good objective way to answer the question). Sanders' was first. There is your objective answer.

I've been telling idiot Sanders fans for a while now that his task is to reassure moderates in the party that he's not an extremist (doesn't need to compromise on any particular issues in the process), but they take "Sanders isn't as radical as people think" to mean "your mother is a whore" judging by the reactions.

the hearing was pure theater, approved by her beforehand.
it was done to paint her as a blameless victim of scapegoating by
an inept, transparently malicious group of reps.

the farce continues.
fucking sad.

Whoa, if true.

 

[Lead]

Hillary

 

[ShoelessRye]

David Plouffe endorsed Hillary. With Biden deciding against a run, and Hillary coming out stronger from the Benghazi hearing I think Establishment Dems want to end their primary now. Sanders can only hurt Hillary's chances now by luring her further and further left.

Plouffe's endorsement is virtually a President Obama proxy endorsement, save maybe for Michelle coming out with a public endorsement before the Primary is decided. It's a signal to the Obama 2008 Campaign Staff to get behind Hillary now, especially Iowa where the Obama supporters shocked the world there - the feeling is that Iowa Dems might want to do that again with Bernie - this was a message to them that Hillary is the way to go here. End the primary before it even starts and let Hillary coast and build an epic warchest while the GOP slugs it out through their brokered convention.

 

[Anung Un Rama]

Iron sharpens iron, not steel sharpens steel

 

[Graves The Elder]

Whoa, if true.

Hildog epitomizes the worst type of deceitful, smug, duplicitous politician.
She's brazenly irresponsible in her duties, refuses to acknowledge let alone accept
blame or criticism for anything that occurred on her watch, answers questions
with allusions to her 'book' and on top of everything, looks like dried up lizard.

anyone who votes for her hates the US and wants it debased.
think BrockoX10