Economy Defense stocks drop after Trump calls for denuclearization and cutting defensive spending by 50%

[MDoza]

all you get for hypocrisy-posting is proving your own hypocrisy. we get it, you wanna prove that dems will believe anything is bad if repubs do it and vice versa. but not only is that common knowledge, if you had any sort of actual moral code that isn't based on proving other people are hypocrites, it wouldn't matter to you.

I’m saying that conservatives are abandoning their core principles simply because Trump wants to do it.

Some people in this thread are exposing that they don’t even know what the core principles of conservatism even are.

 

[KAZSoliloquy]

I’m saying that conservatives are abandoning their core principles simply because Trump wants to do it.

i mean, yeah, no shit. but if you approve/disapprove of him cutting the military budget, just say that. otherwise you simply look like the polar opposite of what they are, where your core values are always against trump even if he does something you might approve of. you're legitimately doing the exact same thing when you play the hypocrisy game.

Some people in this thread are exposing that they don’t even know what the core principles of conservatism even are.

again, no shit dude. it's sherdog. these people are retarded. they think liberals are left-wing and hitler was a socialist. they have no fucking clue what politics are to even start learning about them. you're stating the obvious.

 

[SKYNET]

Democrats traditionally support either cutting or just maintaining defense spending.

Not this time

my idea of what the core values of the parties are, must have gone out the window with 2024

Sorry that I have no nuanced views or independent critical thinking

It's nice to be so simple minded.

FTFY

Half of the conservatives in the country are downright retarded

not an irrational hatred of conservatives

 

[MDoza]

i mean, yeah, no shit. but if you approve/disapprove of him cutting the military budget, just say that. otherwise you simply look like the polar opposite of what they are, where your core values are always against trump even if he does something you might approve of. you're legitimately doing the exact same thing when you play the hypocrisy game.

again, no shit dude. it's sherdog. these people are retarded. they think liberals are left-wing and hitler was a socialist. they have no fucking clue what politics are to even start learning about them. you're stating the obvious.

I’m criticizing Trump in a thread about Trump cutting defense spending, what would you conclude my position on defense spending is?

Of course I’m even more critical of the idiots who, up until yesterday, supported increasing defense spending, but now flip simply because Trump said so.

Some people just can’t understand that many conservatives don’t like Trump himself, but see him as a means to an end to carry out the goals of the party, and when Trump says something in complete opposition to the typical party mission, it’s going to piss some people off.

 

[MDoza]

Not this time

FTFY

Why are you using Kamala’s asinine campaign strategy as some sort of “gotcha” argument?

Do you really not grasp that Democrats typically want to cut defense spending and Republicans typically want to increase it?

 

[SKYNET]

Why are you using Kamala’s asinine campaign strategy as some sort of “gotcha” argument?
Do you really not grasp that Democrats typically want to cut defense spending and Republicans typically want to increase it?

Imagine thinking the Cheneys were going to support a candidate that was going to cut defense spending. haha

 

[MDoza]

Imagine thinking the Cheneys were going to support a candidate that was going to cut defense spending. haha

You realize that democrats would have been upset about Kamala increasing defense spending? You realize that democrats were not happy with a lot of what Kamala wanted, which is why they didn’t show up to vote for her?

If anything, you are just making my point for me. Democrats don’t want to increase the defense budget.

 

[HeffDoesWant]

Great idea, I hope it's more than a thought bubble.

Seems to fly in face of his comments on NPT and defence spending so yeah, hard to read his true intentions.

 

[Cid]

Wow, one of the main complaints I see about DOGE is that noones cutting military spending.

Really looking forward to how they spin this one. It's going to melt some brains. Trying to bring together the big players to work together and reduce the risk of warfare is going to be...bad?

Waiting for Jack and the mods to drop In and explain why this is a terrible idea.

I'm all for nuclear de-proliferation. Nukes are stupid and China does not like nuclear weapons. That's a good thing to work together with.


But military spending reflects the current situation.

Military enters a death spiral once they get below 2% spending. This is large reason why Canada and Germany are considered jokes.

Military equipment gets old. Which requires more money for maintenance to keep operational. Which means new purchases aren't made. Which means more military equipment gets old. Which requires more money for maintenance to keep operational. Which means new purchases aren't made. Which means more Military equipment gets old. Which requires more money for maintenance to keep operational. Which means new purchases aren't made.

You get the point.

So the goal for America is probably 2.5%. They like being at the head of the global hegemony and they do have a viable economic rival now in China with a massive population and manufacturing advantage.


I see an aussie flag, I think as an Australian you should know better than to think China is going to change the way they play the geopolitical game because of this newfound American idealism.

Australia speaks out of line like we did with Covid daring to ask for an internationally led investigation and they're going to smack us down again. The bases in South China sea will remain and they'll continue to look to expand their sphere of influence by soft and possibly even hard force eventually. It's what our military is ramping up for right now.

Since WW2 America has blundered her way from 40% spending all the way down to 2.7% in the late 90's playing the geopolitical game.

That's basically objective met right there in the spending dept. All the spoils with very little cost. Fuck this need to talk to big players, you'd be in a room talking to yourself. China struggled to build a car at that point. And the military spending reflected that. They even have a name for it called the peace dividend. We all cut back.


Then America got blowback, we all blundered hard bombing a bunch of broke Arabs for 2 decades and built China into an economic superpower. Now Russia is wilding because they think we're stupid and weak (not without merit, looking at you West Europe) and China is doing what everyone that wasn't a retard knew China would likely do and turn crybully assholes. Hong Kong already back in control.

Current US and Australian military spending reflects this blunder.

I'm all for bringing down military spending but the hard reality is the current military spending reflects the current geopolitical situation.

The west fucked up hard. Western Europe is looking at their piss weak military and freaking out, even Canada is ramping up.

Spending reflects the current situation.



My suggestion. Stop the stupid trade wars with allied countries and instead use the massive economical sphere of influence the west has to build up trade with each other and like minded countries with similar ideals.

Bring more and more countries into the democratic Western alliance through trade incentives, the natural desire people have to live under our democratic ideals, set conditions, don't be a cunt basically.

Crush any threats (china) economically. Be softly spoken and but still carry a big stick. How much you have to spend on the stick is proportional to how much you think you need to spend on the stick.


That's how you reduce military spending. Wake up to the reality that Putin has taken the mask off like many dictators do after surrounding themself with yes men for a decade and losing their faculties and that we should pre-empt Xi fucking shit up when he starts to lose his marbles after surrounding himself with yes men for decades and starts wilding. Come together and crush economically. Because a country with 1 billion people and a massive manufacturing capacity doesn't need military technological parity to beat the west.



Or we can all try holding hands and singing Kumbaya, My Lord

How'd I do?

 

[HomeCheese]

I'll believe it when I see it. We should start a betting line for the over under defense spending cuts.

Less than 5% would be my current guess.

 

[SKYNET]

You realize that democrats would have been upset about Kamala increasing defense spending? You realize that democrats were not happy with a lot of what Kamala wanted, which is why they didn’t show up to vote for her?

You realize you posted this?

Cutting defense spending in half sounds like something Kamala would do

after she accepted an endorsement by the Cheney's

You realize you posted this?

Half of the conservatives in the country are downright retarded

doubling down on stupidity isn't a great look. good luck

 

[cincymma79]

I have a life outside of here. I'm not reading every thread, every day. I check for violations and reports but I don't have time to comment on every thread that might relate to a comment that I made a day ago, let alone a comment I made a week or more in the past.

And before you ask, no, I haven't read this thread. Not even the title. I'm just cleaning up my alerts.

Well you said that we shouldn’t do usaid because it was small and that if trump was serious they’d do the defense budget. Now they’re making public statements to that effect. Surely you support that and aren’t going to change your position

 

[Mohawk Banditó]

Denuclearization is a good adaptation plan in case they fuck up again by mistakenly firing a bunch of people overseeing our nuclear weapons

 

[Fergelmince]

I’m criticizing Trump in a thread about Trump cutting defense spending, what would you conclude my position on defense spending is?

Of course I’m even more critical of the idiots who, up until yesterday, supported increasing defense spending, but now flip simply because Trump said so.

Some people just can’t understand that many conservatives don’t like Trump himself, but see him as a means to an end to carry out the goals of the party, and when Trump says something in complete opposition to the typical party mission, it’s going to piss some people off.

So you're saying conservatives are being hypocritical about defense spending because Trump is a means to an end?

 

[MDoza]

So you're saying conservatives are being hypocritical about defense spending because Trump is a means to an end?

Some conservatives are being hypocritical about defense spending because they support Trump no matter the policy. The reason they are gloating is because they know that Democrats generally support cutting the defense budget, so they are trying to throw it in their faces that Trump did something “good”, despite being the party of increased defensed spending for the past 50 years.

Trump even increased the defense budget in his last term by 25% to $750 billion, and at the time, conservatives praised him for his dedication to military and national defense.

Trump increases defense budget by 25% in 2018 = good

Trump wants to cut the defense budget in half in 2024 = also good?

 

[BowserJr]

Has any left wing conspiracy nut somehow tied this to being a putin puppet move?

 

[calavera2]

Yeah. I mean he didn’t actually do anything. He just threw out a stupidly childish number that’s obviously unrealistic. I really don’t know why you guys celebrate every stupid thing he says like you’re heralding a big victory. Nothing close to 50% is going to happen. China and Russia will never make a deal they intend to be faithful to on something so serious with him since he reneges on every deal he makes.

This ...Trumps word doesn't mean shit...the seals will clap and worship

 

[Fergelmince]

Some conservatives are being hypocritical about defense spending because they support Trump no matter the policy. The reason they are gloating is because they know that Democrats generally support cutting the defense budget, so they are trying to throw it in their faces that Trump did something “good”, despite being the party of increased defensed spending for the past 50 years.

Trump even increased the defense budget in his last term by 25% to $750 billion, and at the time, conservatives praised him for his dedication to military and national defense.

Trump increases defense budget by 25% in 2018 = good

Trump wants to cut the defense budget in half in 2024 = also good?

So to be consistent, conservatives should be angry with DOGE trying to cut wasteful spending, wherever it may be?

 

[fedorthegoat777]

Waiting for Jack and the mods to drop In and explain why this is a terrible idea.

Jack V. Savage?
Anyone know what ever happened to him? He disappeared after Trump won. Someone should check on him.

 

[MDoza]

So to be consistent, conservatives should be angry with DOGE trying to cut wasteful spending, wherever it may be?

No, the Republican Party has always been the party of fiscal responsibility. They have always supported cutting government spending in every sector but infrastructure, military, and veterans affairs.

To be consistent, they should continue to do just that.