DC in your all time rankings ?

[Kvothe_the_kingkiller]

It's crazy how many people put him top 10

I feel like you haven't thought it through

Recency bias. IMHO.

 

[GearSolidMetal]

Over Cain, you’re mental.

That's not an argument.

And a better argument than Werdum being higher ranked than Cain, just because of one win, could be made for Dennis Hallman being ranked over Matt Highes for beating him twice via submission in a combined 82 seconds.

But, literally no one actually does rank Dennis Hallman higher than Matt Hughes, for good reason, that you apparently don't know.

 

[SherdogFan23]

You said all time GOAT which expands the comparison to all MMA fighters. This means he is not even TOP 10.

He lost at LHW and couldn't defend for more than one fight at HW. Most of his HW wins are also over guys who were past their prime (and he only got decision wins against them).

 

[Ezekiel 25:17]

Considering his age, it was amazing he fought successfully at LHW for as long as he did. Considering he managed to be the best at that weight only 2nd to Juice Jones was even more amazing.

He should be in the top 10 no doubt just for the fact that he started late but still had huge success. That he fought at the wrong weight class for so long, probably depriving himself of an even better career at HW.

 

[TheRealMikeson]

That's not an argument.

And a better argument than Werdum being higher ranked than Cain, just because of one win, could be made for Dennis Hallman being ranked over Matt Highes for beating him twice via submission in a combined 82 seconds.

But, literally no one actually does rank Dennis Hallman higher than Matt Hughes, for good reason, that you apparently don't know.

The argument are his wins and resumé. Cain did great things but he couldn’t stay healthy. He is a what if. Werdum subbed 2 of the hw kings, Fedor and Nog. KO’d Cain. Beat tough fighters like Hunt, Nelson, Gonzaga, Bigfoot. He also managed to sub Overeem when he was a one trick pony. Cains best win was JDS.
also, comparing Cain to Hughes... I expected more from a 2011 account. Hughes career > Cain’s. It’s not even comparable.

 

[No Skill Gap]

It just illustrates that he was never the best of anything, any Division or any competition or any camp or commentary team for that matter. What’s actually laughing your ass off worth: many people cheer second bests and somehow put them in their at all time number one lists

I don't think any single person here is putting DC "#1" at LHW or HW or all-time, so that's a strawman.

An apt comparison would be Kevin Durant. He's an all-time great player, but just because he was never "the best" in very large part due to the fact he existed alongside LeBron James -

- Doesn't mean he isn't great, all-time level great.

 

[No Skill Gap]

Recency bias. IMHO.

Ehhh not really though. What's the counter? Pride cult member bias? Because the only way someone thinks DC isn't close to top 10 all-time is if they're some Pride stan who thinks Big Nog, Cro Cop, and Shogun were better all-time. None of them were.

Name 10 people better all-time than DC and I guarantee anyone answering that question will either look like an idiot, a Pride homer, or include multiple very debatable names.

Watch: GSP, Jones, Fedor, Silva, Aldo, Khabib, Cruz, Mighty Mouse (8). Penn, Hughes, Couture (11).

I think we're already in very debatable territory by 9-11, DC being ranked over Penn/Hughes/Couture is extremely possible. The guy won the Strikeforce GP with a pool of every all-time HW competing, then won the LHW title + defended 3x and won the HW title.

If anything, there's a bias against DC...not one of recency. Sorry but DC is a million times fucking better than Tito Ortiz, and let's not pretend like his title defenses against Elvis Sinocic, Yuki Kondo, Ken Shamrock, and the janitor shanko were awesome. He fought cans half the time in a shit era of competition. So I'm really not sure how people have DC ranked so low at LHW specifically here either.

 

[GearSolidMetal]

The argument are his wins and resumé. Cain did great things but he couldn’t stay healthy. He is a what if.

What if he stopped Big Nog, Lesnar, and Big Foot (twice) in the 1st round?

Oh wait, he did.

Werdum subbed 2 of the hw kings, Fedor and Nog.

Clearly old and out of their primes after the wars they've had in MMA.

KO’d Cain.

It was by submission.

And yeah, he beat Cain after a year and a half off from injuries, surgeries, training to fight, and getting injured and needing surgery again. It was one of the worst cases of ring rust I've ever seen, and its doubtful Cain even was at 100% before fighting. After a year and a half he knew he had to fight or he's be stripped of the belt.

He also managed to sub Overeem when he was a one trick pony.

And then get beat by Overeem twice after that.

Cains best win was JDS.

No, it was whipping Lesnar within four minutes.

JDS was too tough for his own good and just got hammered and hammered for 5 rounds... twice... and he never quit.

Underappreciated how tough JDS. One of the toughest bastards in the UFC.

Oh, this just occured to me... JDS KOed Werdum in the 1st round. If Werdum's one win over Cain matters so much, then JDS's win over Werdum matters just as much, right?

I expected more from a 2011 account.

And your post is exactly what I'd expect from a 2013 account that only posts here occasionally.

 

[mjfan23]

You said all time GOAT which expands the comparison to all MMA fighters. This means he is not even TOP 10.

He lost at LHW and couldn't defend for more than one fight at HW. Most of his HW wins are also over guys who were past their prime (and he only got decision wins against them).

You must be my Alias account

 

[Willek]

I have him ranked 12th all time at LHW between Frank Shamrock and Forrest Griffin.

 

[mjfan23]

I have him ranked 12th all time at LHW between Frank Shamrock and Forrest Griffin.

Did Ken Shamrock make your top 20?

 

[GUY]

1-Jones
2-GSP
3-Silva
4-Fedor
5-Khabib
6-Aldo
7-Henry Cejudo
8-Cormier
9-Mcgregor
10-Stipe

 

[TheMaster]

Higher than Miocic For Sure

 

[Willek]

Did Ken Shamrock make your top 20?

He was number 1 because he would beat Jones into a living death.

 

[Gregoire1]

9-12 range

 

[D. Lynch]

HW -
1/2. Fedor
1/2. Cain
3. Stipe
4. DC
5. CroCop

LHW -

1. Jones
2. DC

How the fuck can Cain be above Stipe?

 

[TheRealMikeson]

The argument are his wins and resumé. Cain did great things but he couldn’t stay healthy. He is a what if. Werdum subbed 2 of the hw kings, Fedor and Nog. KO’d Cain. Beat tough fighters like Hunt, Nelson, Gonzaga, Bigfoot. He also managed to sub Overeem when he was a one trick pony. Cains best win was JDS.

What if he stopped Big Nog, Lesnar, and Big Foot (twice) in the 1st round?

Oh wait, he did.



Clearly old and out of their primes after the wars they've had in MMA.



It was by submission.

And yeah, he beat Cain after a year and a half off from injuries, surgeries, training to fight, and getting injured and needing surgery again. It was one of the worst cases of ring rust I've ever seen, and its doubtful Cain even was at 100% before fighting. After a year and a half he knew he had to fight or he's be stripped of the belt.



And then get beat by Overeem twice after that.



No, it was whipping Lesnar within four minutes.

JDS was too tough for his own good and just got hammered and hammered for 5 rounds... twice... and he never quit.

Underappreciated how tough JDS. One of the toughest bastards in the UFC.

Oh, this just occured to me... JDS KOed Werdum in the 1st round. If Werdum's one win over Cain matters so much, then JDS's win over Werdum matters just as much, right?



And your post is exactly what I'd expect from a 2013 account that only posts here occasionally.

Werdum lost to JDS when he was a one trick pony. My bad I forgot he subbed Cain. That’s far worse than being KO’d. You’re discrediting Werdums win on Fedor and Cain. But they weren’t on their way out at that time. Werdum took his soul. Lesnar is an okay name to his resumé. But keep hugging onto Cain like he’s some god. His career was ruined by injuries, but who is at fault for said injuries?
My list would be:
1. Fedor
2/3: Stipe, Werdum (no order)
4: Nog
5: Overeem

 

[TheRealMikeson]

How the fuck can Cain be above Stipe?

This guy is a troll. My last response to him will be the last. He’s like that annoying girlfriend from high school who twists your words.

 

[GearSolidMetal]

Werdum lost to JDS when he was a one trick pony.

So?

A win is a win, apparently.

Oh, and that 'one trick pony' had wins against Brandon Vera, Gonzaga (twice), Alexander Emileniko, and his one win against Overeem.

That’s far worse than being KO’d.

Keep reminding everyone you're a 2013 blue belt account.

You’re discrediting Werdums win on Fedor and Cain. But they weren’t on their way out at that time. Werdum took his soul.

Sure bro.

But keep hugging onto Cain like he’s some god.

Like you're hugging onto Werdum. Sure.

My list would be:
1. Fedor
2/3: Stipe, Werdum (no order)
4: Nog
5: Overeem

Awesome bro. Just don't forget your #5 has two wins over Werdum.

But that's doesn't matter much overall, actually. In addition to Dunham, Matt Hughes has two losses to BJ Penn at 170 but Penn isn't on many WW GOAT lists... because practically every other time he fought at 170 he didn't win.

So, my point is all of this is 100% subjective. You disagree with me? Great. I disagree with you? Great. But getting pissy about another opinion differing than your own? That's exactly what a 2013 blue belt account would do.

This guy is a troll. My last response to him will be the last. He’s like that annoying girlfriend from high school who twists your words.

Not trolling.

I'm using your own words... your own standards... against you. That is what is done in debate, and you've proved you can't hang in.

Good luck with your women problems, bro.

 

[TheRealMikeson]

So?

A win is a win, apparently.

Oh, and that 'one trick pony' had wins against Brandon Vera, Gonzaga (twice), Alexander Emileniko, and his one win against Overeem.



Keep reminding everyone you're a 2013 blue belt account.




Sure bro.



Like you're hugging onto Werdum. Sure.




Awesome bro. Just don't forget your #5 has two wins over Werdum.

But that's doesn't matter much overall, actually. In addition to Dunham, Matt Hughes has two losses to BJ Penn at 170 but Penn isn't on many WW GOAT lists... because practically every other time he fought at 170 he didn't win.

So, my point is all of this is 100% subjective. You disagree with me? Great. I disagree with you? Great. But getting pissy about another opinion differing than your own? That's exactly what a 2013 blue belt account would do.



Not trolling.

I'm using your own words... your own standards... against you. That is what is done in debate, and you've proved you can't hang in.

Good luck with your women problems, bro.

Resumé is all I said. You were trying to use counter mmath on me like I was using it. This standard you speak of is a creation of your mind.

If all you have to say to me is about my low post record since making this account. That says more about you than it does me. You’re clearly way more involved. Go get some Sun. Pick up a new hobby.