DC in your all time rankings ?

[Gamer2k4]

i mean it is a huge deal

By itself, it's not. Holding belts in multiple divisions doesn't mean anything except you were in the right place at the right time. Now, DC did have defenses at both weight classes, so that's definitely a credit to him, but there are so many asterisks in his title fights/reigns (flagrant eye pokes against Stipe, never actually defeated Jones, 206.2 weigh-in, etc.) and enough weak opponents in his lineup that it's hard to put him anywhere near the top overall. No matter the metric you want to measure DC by, there's someone out there who has done it better.

 

[humdizzle]

top 10 for sure. I still think he was paper champ at LHW... only getting the belt in jones absence. so the double champ thing doesn't mean much in this case.

he could have been top 3 or #1 if he was disciplined and made MW.

 

[knock_you_out]

Top ten P4P. Not in top 5.

 

[Pancake Sprawl]

Come on man DC is famous for towel gate at 206* and has permanent organ damage from his super human level weight cuts. You can’t say one looked like they cut a lot of weight and use DC as a yardstick for cutting less lol Conor didn’t ever cut enough weight to hurt himself permanently like DC

i just told you why. Conor is cutting way less weight. the difference between FW and LW is 10lbs. the difference between LHW and HW limit is 60lbs. and still Conor looked like a corpse. you can't deny this. trying to pretend Conor wasn't killing himself to make FW is not being truthful. i'm not hating on Conor i'm stating facts.

DC's organ damage happened from his college wrestling career, not because of MMA. Conor never was a world class wrestler so he didn't have to put his body through the same kind of brutality Cormier did.

 

[Uber_Noober]

Solid tree fiddy

 

[Only Here for Attachments]

Big no

 

[pseto223]

Probably top 10. Fedor is always my GOAT. Then we go division by division GOATs: Jones, Silva, GSP, Khabib, Aldo, DJ. Maybe Cruz. Then we go with all the others... Stipe and Cain should be the first two. So that puts DC at about eleventh in my quick GOAT rankings. Actually I could switch DC with Cain - Cain was a monster, but wasted too much of his very short prime fighting JDS. DC is not as accomplished at HW, but was second great at two weight classes. That has to account for something.

Yet again there are too many MMA greats already. We have Big Nog, Wandi, Liddell, Shogun... Sylvia is extremely underappreciated... of course Royce Gracie... CroCop, another legend... prime Penn, fighting anyone anywhere... early GOATs like Hughes and even half forgotten Rich Franklin... I mean there are so many names. Start accounting for every single one of them and what they've done for MMA - and then DC may not even be top 20.

P.S. Damn didn't I counter-argumented myself in that post.

 

[Pancake Sprawl]

DC is a fuckin tank, he's shorter, but way stronger lol, size means weight, not height

You're so wrong lmao, there are several LHW who could go up and compete at HW. Most of the FW's would get killed at LW

So you admit the LHW and HW divisions are significantly worse technically, but they hit hard so it's more difficult? Did you see DC's fight with Lewis? Looked like a pretty easy night lmao, there are no easy nights at LW

did it look easy when Stipe slept him? did it look easy when Gustafsson went up against a washed up Werdum and got submitted immediately? or how about when Jones went up and fought Ngannou? oh that's right, that one never happened. i wonder why?

there's no easy nights at LW but Conor whooped Eddie Alvarez like an amateur? the current champ has like 2 top 5 wins and had only 1 before winning the title. you thinking most of the FWs would get killed at LW means nothing, where's the actual proof of the FWs getting killed at LW? Dustin Poirer is a former FW and he's basically the uncrowned champion of the division.

if size means weight and not height then DC is the same size as Ngannou huh? i never said DC isn't a tank, i said he's at a size disadvantage and he is. most guys he fights are larger than he is. he might be wider, but not by much and they're a lot taller than he is. this has nothing to do with how strong he is or how good he is at using his short stature to win, this is what people call "size disadvantage". you know, just like when you have a shorter reach it means a "reach disadvantage". just because he's good and strong and powerful doesn't mean he's big.

 

[Orochimaru 大蛇丸]

Probably top 10. Fedor is always my GOAT. Then we go division by division GOATs: Jones, Silva, GSP, Khabib, Aldo, DJ. Maybe Cruz. Then we go with all the others... Stipe and Cain should be the first two. So that puts DC at about eleventh in my quick GOAT rankings. Actually I could switch DC with Cain - Cain was a monster, but wasted too much of his very short prime fighting JDS. DC is not as accomplished at HW, but was second great at two weight classes. That has to account for something.

Yet again there are too many MMA greats already. We have Big Nog, Wandi, Liddell, Shogun... Sylvia is extremely underappreciated... of course Royce Gracie... CroCop, another legend... prime Penn, fighting anyone anywhere... early GOATs like Hughes and even half forgotten Rich Franklin... I mean there are so many names. Start accounting for every single one of them and what they've done for MMA - and then DC may not even be top 20.

P.S. Damn didn't I counter-argumented myself in that post.

I'm kinda the same, I used to think DC was top 10 without thinking about it, then you think about it and he's really more top 15-30

 

[Raymundo Alvarado Guevara]

Top 5

 

[Orochimaru 大蛇丸]

did it look easy when Stipe slept him? did it look easy when Gustafsson went up against a washed up Werdum and got submitted immediately? or how about when Jones went up and fought Ngannou? oh that's right, that one never happened. i wonder why?

there's no easy nights at LW but Conor whooped Eddie Alvarez like an amateur? the current champ has like 2 top 5 wins and had only 1 before winning the title. you thinking most of the FWs would get killed at LW means nothing, where's the actual proof of the FWs getting killed at LW? Dustin Poirer is a former FW and he's basically the uncrowned champion of the division.

if size means weight and not height then DC is the same size as Ngannou huh? i never said DC isn't a tank, i said he's at a size disadvantage and he is. most guys he fights are larger than he is. he might be wider, but not by much and they're a lot taller than he is. this has nothing to do with how strong he is or how good he is at using his short stature to win, this is what people call "size disadvantage". you know, just like when you have a shorter reach it means a "reach disadvantage". just because he's good and strong and powerful doesn't mean he's big.

Ngannou has a size advantage because he's a HW who could never make LHW

You said DC had a disadvantage at LHW, which he didn't whatsoever... if anything he was a big LHW

I guess to you Chandler at 155 has a big size disadvantage because he's short lol

 

[agibmxmma]

Khabib, GSP, DJ, Fedor, DC.. DC sits in my top 5
Hughes, BJ, Randy, Royce, Cejudo or Pitbull.. rounds out my top 10
Cody, McKee, Islam, Usman, Lewis.. my picks for future p4p “greats”

 

[agibmxmma]

They're pretty close

Conor was the #1 FW at one point, DC never was

The only average fighter Conor lost to is Nate at 170, who he beat in the rematch

DC never would have had defenses or a LHW belt at all if Jones didn't get suspended

Might wanna check his record pre UFC, he lost easily to guys who are “below avg” fighters if you rank Nate as an “avg fighter”. Then take into account each of those losses, he was clearly beaten. Then look at the rematch vs Nate in which he arguably lost and never avenged being finished by an out of shape Nate. No title defenses ever in his career also takes him out of the conversation IMO.

 

[mjfan23]

Ngannou has a size advantage because he's a HW who could never make LHW

You said DC had a disadvantage at LHW, which he didn't whatsoever... if anything he was a big LHW

I guess to you Chandler at 155 has a big size disadvantage because he's short lol

You are still arguing about DCs size with a guy who said Con man was cutting extreme lol DC is the founder of Towel gate, also only recent prominent combat sport athlete with organ damage directly linked to his extreme weight cutting. Basically: there nothing to argue about!

 

[mjfan23]

Might wanna check his record pre UFC, he lost easily to guys who are “below avg” fighters if you rank Nate as an “avg fighter”. Then take into account each of those losses, he was clearly beaten. Then look at the rematch vs Nate in which he arguably lost and never avenged being finished by an out of shape Nate. No title defenses ever in his career also takes him out of the conversation IMO.

And who did DC defend against? BB at Hw and Ozedemir at LHW.

that’s like Conor defending against Deigo and the guy that beat Cm punk

but I agree with you the other poster is underselling Diaz and Conors early days massively

 

[DoubleA012]

With DC having retired for a while, how do you looking back at it remember his career? Is he your HW or LHW Or P4P GOAT? Top 3? Top 5?

case for:
Beat big foot silva, monson, Mir, Derrick Lewis and Stipe (when Stipe when young as a buck).
Won Strikeforce as an alternate
UFC Gold at HW and LHW

case against:
After beating an elderly MW(hendo) and literally a barista (Cummins) he got a shot at Jones and well was outclassed.
He only has a mere 20 or so wins in his entire career. And the 6-8 of those against guys no one has heard of.
Was never the best LHW for any extended period (behind bones always) or HW (behind Stipe) or even fighter in his own camp (Khabib and Cain at hw).
Never won gold at Olympics
Is second fiddle to Rogan at play by play and being a company

Honestly, P4P he's definitely not in my top 5 and I'd have to think hard about if he makes it into the top 10 or not. LHW I would probably put him top 3, at Heavyweight, he would probably be top 5, but maybe could get edged out. To me DC is always a bit overhyped, but then again, he was very talented and has a great resume.

Trigger to my head, #9 P4P, #4 HW, #2 LHW.

 

[TARTARA]

In bottom's bottom ↘ !

 

[mjfan23]

Honestly, P4P he's definitely not in my top 5 and I'd have to think hard about if he makes it into the top 10 or not. LHW I would probably put him top 3, at Heavyweight, he would probably be top 5, but maybe could get edged out. To me DC is always a bit overhyped, but then again, he was very talented and has a great resume.

Trigger to my head, #9 P4P, #4 HW, #2 LHW.

Out of curiosity: since you say top 3 or even number 2 at LHW. Aside from Jones who else would be potentially ranked ahead of DC in your list at LHW? A wand/Chuck type due to his longer reign of terror? Or a rua type due to his peaks being higher (and his lows were definitely lower too) ?

 

[Orochimaru 大蛇丸]

Might wanna check his record pre UFC, he lost easily to guys who are “below avg” fighters if you rank Nate as an “avg fighter”. Then take into account each of those losses, he was clearly beaten. Then look at the rematch vs Nate in which he arguably lost and never avenged being finished by an out of shape Nate. No title defenses ever in his career also takes him out of the conversation IMO.

Yeah way early in his career who cares about that lol

He didn't arguably lose against Nate, he dropped him 3 times in the first round and clearly won rounds 1,2, and 4, 1 could've been a 10-8. Nate wasn't out of shape, he had more BF because it was at 170 which was an advantage for Nate. Nate was still going in the 5th round, and had a full camp, saying he was out of shape is just typical Connie hater bias. Anything to discredit him

I wasn't arguing for Conor to be in the conversation, I was saying having DC in there is similar to having Conor in there. Both stances are dumb

 

[Orochimaru 大蛇丸]

You are still arguing about DCs size with a guy who said Con man was cutting extreme lol DC is the founder of Towel gate, also only recent prominent combat sport athlete with organ damage directly linked to his extreme weight cutting. Basically: there nothing to argue about!

I don't know why I respond lol