DC in your all time rankings ?

[Orochimaru 大蛇丸]

He’s up there but biggest knock against him imo is that both of his biggest rivals got the better of him.

Kind of a big knock against someone many put in the top 10 P4P

I think a lot of people just like DC as a person

 

[avenue94]

Top 20, cool wins, but his LHW run is pretty mediocre by GOAT standards, and HW is a dogshit division.

Kind of a big knock against someone many put in the top 10 P4P

I think a lot of people just like DC as a person

Not to mention his achievements are in the worst men's divisions.

 

[MrKontakos]

He beats almost every single LHW that isn't named Jon Jones, and is easily top 10 heavyweight material. One of the GOATs.

 

[sdpdude9]

Kind of a big knock against someone many put in the top 10 P4P

I think a lot of people just like DC as a person

Yeah, I probably wouldn’t put him in my top 10. He was great, but always was “almost” the man. Had he won the trilogy with Stipe or beaten Jones either time, he’d have a much stronger case.

 

[Pancake Sprawl]

Yeah those divisions are so weak, and it's a lot easier to go from LHW to HW, than FW to LW

I bet 90% of Sherdog would rank DC over Conor though

no it's not. Conor was basically a LW fighting at FW, that's why he looked like a corpse at FW weigh-ins and why he can't make the weight anymore and hasn't been anywhere near as good at LW.

DC was at a size disadvantage in both of the divisions he fought in, has title defenses, and the size difference between LHW and HW is gigantic compared to FW to LW.

 

[sabretitan]

A top 10 all time fighter for sure.

this

 

[Orochimaru 大蛇丸]

He beats almost every single LHW that isn't named Jon Jones, and is easily top 10 heavyweight material. One of the GOATs.

His legacy at LHW is similar to Tony Ferguson's

Ferguson just wasn't lucky enough to have Khabib stripped in the middle of his prime

 

[TheMessiah]

Well Conor is > DC. His work at FW alone triumphs over DCs rather sample small size of wins in the two worst divisions in mma.

Pause and think about this: while hw is an obvious sh*t show, at LHW Chuck friggin Liddells actual training partner is about to fight for a well deserved and long overdue title shot against a nearly forty year ksw write off! Yes a Chuck Liddell era guy and his primary training partner lol

Lol here come the Mcnapper fanboys again. Conor is nowhere near DC

 

[pick999]

top 50

 

[Orochimaru 大蛇丸]

no it's not. Conor was basically a LW fighting at FW, that's why he looked like a corpse at FW weigh-ins and why he can't make the weight anymore and hasn't been anywhere near as good at LW.

DC was at a size disadvantage in both of the divisions he fought in, has title defenses, and the size difference between LHW and HW is gigantic compared to FW to LW.

He was not at a size disadvantage in either division lol

Size matters a lot less with big guys, and the divisions are pretty pathetic compared to FW and LW

 

[Orochimaru 大蛇丸]

Lol here come the Mcnapper fanboys again. Conor is nowhere near DC

The main argument DC fans use is winning belts in 2 divisions which Conor also did

My point is obviously neither one is a P4P GOAT

 

[MrKontakos]

His legacy at LHW is similar to Tony Ferguson's

Ferguson just wasn't lucky enough to have Khabib stripped in the middle of his prime

I really don't think T-ferg was ever a clear number two like DC was. There was a case for it for sure, but with DC it was undisputable. And I guess I should be a little more clear, I mean one of the GOATs for those two weight classes. I think DC is certainly top 15 across all weight classes, but I get the LHW/HW were never shark tanks like the lower classes outside of a few brief time periods.

 

[mjfan23]

no it's not. Conor was basically a LW fighting at FW, that's why he looked like a corpse at FW weigh-ins and why he can't make the weight anymore and hasn't been anywhere near as good at LW.

DC was at a size disadvantage in both of the divisions he fought in, has title defenses, and the size difference between LHW and HW is gigantic compared to FW to LW.

Come on man DC is famous for towel gate at 206* and has permanent organ damage from his super human level weight cuts. You can’t say one looked like they cut a lot of weight and use DC as a yardstick for cutting less lol Conor didn’t ever cut enough weight to hurt himself permanently like DC

 

[TheMessiah]

The main argument DC fans use is winning belts in 2 divisions which Conor also did

My point is obviously neither one is a P4P GOAT

Neither is, but DC is definitely ahead of Conor. You have to take losses into account and Conor has lost to average fighters and has 0 title defences. Just a loudmouth one dimensional twerp

 

[Orochimaru 大蛇丸]

Come on man DC is famous for towel gate at 206* and has permanent organ damage from his super human level weight cuts. You can’t say one looked like they cut a lot of weight and use DC as a yardstick for cutting less lol Conor didn’t ever cut enough weight to hurt himself permanently like DC

Hahahaha I forgot about that, the guy literally openly cheated a weigh-in

Yet Conor is a weight bully even though he always made 145 on the dot exactly

The DC bias is ridiculous

 

[GearSolidMetal]

cain hasn’t done nearly enough, despite possibly being the most talented HW of all time.

I agree actually, in his prime he only fought... Big Nog (Once), Lesnar (Once), JDS (Three times), and Big Foot (Twice).

But in all of those seven performances they were absolute domination in every aspect of mma... striking, grappling, and endurance.

So, on paper, Fedor and Stipe are more decorated and have more wins against opponents. But as far as performance, without keeping in mind overall accomplishments and number of wins, its Cain for me.

He is absolutely the blueprint for young Heavyweight fighters should train to become.

I'd rank DC higher, but he got into the sport too late and spent too much of it at LHW.

 

[Kvothe_the_kingkiller]

With DC having retired for a while, how do you looking back at it remember his career? Is he your HW or LHW Or P4P GOAT? Top 3? Top 5?

case for:
Beat big foot silva, monson, Mir, Derrick Lewis and Stipe (when Stipe when young as a buck).
Won Strikeforce as an alternate
UFC Gold at HW and LHW

case against:
After beating an elderly MW(hendo) and literally a barista (Cummins) he got a shot at Jones and well was outclassed.
He only has a mere 20 or so wins in his entire career. And the 6-8 of those against guys no one has heard of.
Was never the best LHW for any extended period (behind bones always) or HW (behind Stipe) or even fighter in his own camp (Khabib and Cain at hw).
Never won gold at Olympics
Is second fiddle to Rogan at play by play and being a company

• HW not top 3
• LW maybe top 3
• Hendo-weight (e.g. across divisions) definitely top 3, with Hendo and probably Couture, definitely above Conor, BJ, Minowaman, etc.

Many have him in top 10 P4P GOAT. I'm not sure about that, but I won't argue it very vehemently.

 

[Orochimaru 大蛇丸]

Neither is, but DC is definitely ahead of Conor. You have to take losses into account and Conor has lost to average fighters and has 0 title defences. Just a loudmouth one dimensional twerp

They're pretty close

Conor was the #1 FW at one point, DC never was

The only average fighter Conor lost to is Nate at 170, who he beat in the rematch

DC never would have had defenses or a LHW belt at all if Jones didn't get suspended

 

[Pancake Sprawl]

He was not at a size disadvantage in either division lol

Size matters a lot less with big guys, and the divisions are pretty pathetic compared to FW and LW

so being 5'8 was not a disadvantage? featherweight Max Holloway is taller than DC.

i don't know how size matters a lot less when the discrepancy in weight between competitors can be larger than any other 2 adjoining weight classes. there's a reason why there's so many double champs at the lower weights, it's because the weight difference is minimal. only DC and Couture have been LHW/HW champions. why do you think the GOAT LHW is taking over a decade to make good on his promise to move up?

the divisions are pretty pathetic skillwise, but that's my point. they make up for the skill by being enormous and hitting like ford escorts. it's inherently more dangerous to go up to HW from LHW than to go up to LW from FW.

 

[Orochimaru 大蛇丸]

so being 5'8 was not a disadvantage? featherweight Max Holloway is taller than DC.

i don't know how size matters a lot less when the discrepancy in weight between competitors can be larger than any other 2 adjoining weight classes. there's a reason why there's so many double champs at the lower weights, it's because the weight difference is minimal. only DC and Couture have been LHW/HW champions. why do you think the GOAT LHW is taking over a decade to make good on his promise to move up?

the divisions are pretty pathetic skillwise, but that's my point. they make up for the skill by being enormous and hitting like ford escorts. it's inherently more dangerous to go up to HW from LHW than to go up to LW from FW.

DC is a fuckin tank, he's shorter, but way stronger lol, size means weight, not height

You're so wrong lmao, there are several LHW who could go up and compete at HW. Most of the FW's would get killed at LW

So you admit the LHW and HW divisions are significantly worse technically, but they hit hard so it's more difficult? Did you see DC's fight with Lewis? Looked like a pretty easy night lmao, there are no easy nights at LW