Daniel Cormier: “Jones Won’t Win The HW Title”

[HHJ]

You got confused again.
Pragmatic about his career

So his arrests have nothing to do w his career? pretty sure he was stripped of the title for his out of the ring bullshit.

You cant look at one thing and ignore the other,its all connected. Now if we take all the drunken coke wife beating stuff out of the way are left with :

Failed drug tests

UFC 200
On July 8, 2016, a urine sample from Jones tested positive for two banned substances, clomiphene, an anti-estrogen substance, and letrozole, an aromatase inhibitor, prior to his scheduled championship bout with Cormier at UFC 200. The violation was from an "A" sample collection on June 16, with subsequent testing of the B sample confirming the doping. Both drugs, which are on the World Anti-Doping Agency banned substances list, are described as "hormone and metabolic modulators", which are not allowed to be used in or out of competition.[234][235] As a result, Jones had to withdraw from the event, and was replaced by former middleweight champion Anderson Silva.[236] Throughout the ordeal, Jones maintained his innocence, claiming that he was the victim of a contaminated product that he believed to be Cialis, which was later independently obtained, tested and found to be contaminated by the United States Anti-Doping Agency.[237] On November 7, 2016, it was announced that Jones was issued a 1-year suspension by USADA following his arbitration hearing, though the panel concluded that Jones did not take the banned substances intentionally, and was not a drug cheat.[238]

UFC 214
On August 22, 2017, it was announced that Jones was flagged for a potential doping violation by USADA, stemming from his test sample that was collected on July 28, one day before his rematch against Cormier at UFC 214. He tested positive for Turinabol, an anabolic steroid, and was placed on a provisional suspension as a result of the positive drug test.[29] On September 13, the CSAC announced that it had overturned the result of the fight with Cormier from a KO victory for Jones to a no-contest, after both Jones's A and B samples tested positive for Turinabol. Jones was also stripped of the title for a third time, and it was then returned to Cormier.[239]

Jones stated that he did not knowingly take any prohibited substances,[240] with his team believing Jones consumed tainted substances. Jones potentially faced up to a 4-year suspension if found guilty,[241] but on September 18 he was handed a 15-month suspension by USADA, retroactive to July 28,[242] plus three months community service.[243] 30 months were deducted from the 4-year suspension because Jones provided "substantial assistance" to USADA. "Substantial assistance" refers to an athlete informing an anti-doping agency about a doping violation by another athlete.[244] USADA said it reduced the suspension by a further three months after a hearing with an independent arbitrator, Richard McLaren, on September 15.[242] Travis Tygart, CEO of USADA, said in a statement: "The independent arbitrator found that Jon Jones was not intentionally cheating in this case, and while we thought 18-months was the appropriate sanction given the other circumstances of the case, we respect the arbitrator's decision and believe that justice was served. This case is another strong reminder that athletes need to be extremely cautious about the products and supplements they use to ensure they are free of prohibited substances."[245]

UFC 232
Jones became eligible to fight again on October 28, 2018,[246] and was scheduled to perform at UFC 232 in Las Vegas on December 29. However, after further inconsistencies arose with his drug test on December 23, he was not granted a license to compete in Nevada, so the event was moved to Los Angeles.[247] In order to receive a license from CSAC, Jones had to enroll into the VADA (Voluntary Anti-Doping Association) testing program, thus making him the first UFC fighter to be signed to both USADA and VADA testing programs simultaneously.[248] Drug tests administered at UFC 232 found an ultra trace amount of turinabol, which doctors attributed to a long-term "pulsing effect" of the M3 metabolite detected in 2017. CSAC did not take disciplinary action against Jones as the medical experts stated that there was no evidence that Jones had re-administered a banned substance and no performance-enhancing benefits were gained.[249]






PRAGMATISM

 

[icemun]

again. Getting your mommy to help you read

No mother wont help. Your own mother wont help

What you typed is NONSENSE

 

[TGArthur]

 

[icemun]

So his arrests have nothing to do w his career? pretty sure he was stripped of the title for his out of the ring bullshit.

You cant look at one thing and ignore the other,its all connected. Now if we take all the drunken coke wife beating stuff out of the way are left with :

Failed drug tests

UFC 200
On July 8, 2016, a urine sample from Jones tested positive for two banned substances, clomiphene, an anti-estrogen substance, and letrozole, an aromatase inhibitor, prior to his scheduled championship bout with Cormier at UFC 200. The violation was from an "A" sample collection on June 16, with subsequent testing of the B sample confirming the doping. Both drugs, which are on the World Anti-Doping Agency banned substances list, are described as "hormone and metabolic modulators", which are not allowed to be used in or out of competition.[234][235] As a result, Jones had to withdraw from the event, and was replaced by former middleweight champion Anderson Silva.[236] Throughout the ordeal, Jones maintained his innocence, claiming that he was the victim of a contaminated product that he believed to be Cialis, which was later independently obtained, tested and found to be contaminated by the United States Anti-Doping Agency.[237] On November 7, 2016, it was announced that Jones was issued a 1-year suspension by USADA following his arbitration hearing, though the panel concluded that Jones did not take the banned substances intentionally, and was not a drug cheat.[238]

UFC 214
On August 22, 2017, it was announced that Jones was flagged for a potential doping violation by USADA, stemming from his test sample that was collected on July 28, one day before his rematch against Cormier at UFC 214. He tested positive for Turinabol, an anabolic steroid, and was placed on a provisional suspension as a result of the positive drug test.[29] On September 13, the CSAC announced that it had overturned the result of the fight with Cormier from a KO victory for Jones to a no-contest, after both Jones's A and B samples tested positive for Turinabol. Jones was also stripped of the title for a third time, and it was then returned to Cormier.[239]

Jones stated that he did not knowingly take any prohibited substances,[240] with his team believing Jones consumed tainted substances. Jones potentially faced up to a 4-year suspension if found guilty,[241] but on September 18 he was handed a 15-month suspension by USADA, retroactive to July 28,[242] plus three months community service.[243] 30 months were deducted from the 4-year suspension because Jones provided "substantial assistance" to USADA. "Substantial assistance" refers to an athlete informing an anti-doping agency about a doping violation by another athlete.[244] USADA said it reduced the suspension by a further three months after a hearing with an independent arbitrator, Richard McLaren, on September 15.[242] Travis Tygart, CEO of USADA, said in a statement: "The independent arbitrator found that Jon Jones was not intentionally cheating in this case, and while we thought 18-months was the appropriate sanction given the other circumstances of the case, we respect the arbitrator's decision and believe that justice was served. This case is another strong reminder that athletes need to be extremely cautious about the products and supplements they use to ensure they are free of prohibited substances."[245]

UFC 232
Jones became eligible to fight again on October 28, 2018,[246] and was scheduled to perform at UFC 232 in Las Vegas on December 29. However, after further inconsistencies arose with his drug test on December 23, he was not granted a license to compete in Nevada, so the event was moved to Los Angeles.[247] In order to receive a license from CSAC, Jones had to enroll into the VADA (Voluntary Anti-Doping Association) testing program, thus making him the first UFC fighter to be signed to both USADA and VADA testing programs simultaneously.[248] Drug tests administered at UFC 232 found an ultra trace amount of turinabol, which doctors attributed to a long-term "pulsing effect" of the M3 metabolite detected in 2017. CSAC did not take disciplinary action against Jones as the medical experts stated that there was no evidence that Jones had re-administered a banned substance and no performance-enhancing benefits were gained.[249]






PRAGMATISM

PRAGMATIC CAREER
NO DOUBT

 

[StoneColdSteveAustin]

He’s right. Jones won’t win the title and DC already did it all first.

DC has the better career in mma. He’s a 2 division champ.

 

[HHJ]

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[true_fan]

Reem was getting the best of Jones and Reem almost died in under a minute against Francis. Francis will blitz Jon and literally kill him or possibly send him to the hospital. Gane will play with him like a pet.

 

[Dbreiden83080]

So his arrests have nothing to do w his career? pretty sure he was stripped of the title for his out of the ring bullshit.

You cant look at one thing and ignore the other,its all connected. Now if we take all the drunken coke wife beating stuff out of the way are left with :

Failed drug tests

UFC 200
On July 8, 2016, a urine sample from Jones tested positive for two banned substances, clomiphene, an anti-estrogen substance, and letrozole, an aromatase inhibitor, prior to his scheduled championship bout with Cormier at UFC 200. The violation was from an "A" sample collection on June 16, with subsequent testing of the B sample confirming the doping. Both drugs, which are on the World Anti-Doping Agency banned substances list, are described as "hormone and metabolic modulators", which are not allowed to be used in or out of competition.[234][235] As a result, Jones had to withdraw from the event, and was replaced by former middleweight champion Anderson Silva.[236] Throughout the ordeal, Jones maintained his innocence, claiming that he was the victim of a contaminated product that he believed to be Cialis, which was later independently obtained, tested and found to be contaminated by the United States Anti-Doping Agency.[237] On November 7, 2016, it was announced that Jones was issued a 1-year suspension by USADA following his arbitration hearing, though the panel concluded that Jones did not take the banned substances intentionally, and was not a drug cheat.[238]

UFC 214
On August 22, 2017, it was announced that Jones was flagged for a potential doping violation by USADA, stemming from his test sample that was collected on July 28, one day before his rematch against Cormier at UFC 214. He tested positive for Turinabol, an anabolic steroid, and was placed on a provisional suspension as a result of the positive drug test.[29] On September 13, the CSAC announced that it had overturned the result of the fight with Cormier from a KO victory for Jones to a no-contest, after both Jones's A and B samples tested positive for Turinabol. Jones was also stripped of the title for a third time, and it was then returned to Cormier.[239]

Jones stated that he did not knowingly take any prohibited substances,[240] with his team believing Jones consumed tainted substances. Jones potentially faced up to a 4-year suspension if found guilty,[241] but on September 18 he was handed a 15-month suspension by USADA, retroactive to July 28,[242] plus three months community service.[243] 30 months were deducted from the 4-year suspension because Jones provided "substantial assistance" to USADA. "Substantial assistance" refers to an athlete informing an anti-doping agency about a doping violation by another athlete.[244] USADA said it reduced the suspension by a further three months after a hearing with an independent arbitrator, Richard McLaren, on September 15.[242] Travis Tygart, CEO of USADA, said in a statement: "The independent arbitrator found that Jon Jones was not intentionally cheating in this case, and while we thought 18-months was the appropriate sanction given the other circumstances of the case, we respect the arbitrator's decision and believe that justice was served. This case is another strong reminder that athletes need to be extremely cautious about the products and supplements they use to ensure they are free of prohibited substances."[245]

UFC 232
Jones became eligible to fight again on October 28, 2018,[246] and was scheduled to perform at UFC 232 in Las Vegas on December 29. However, after further inconsistencies arose with his drug test on December 23, he was not granted a license to compete in Nevada, so the event was moved to Los Angeles.[247] In order to receive a license from CSAC, Jones had to enroll into the VADA (Voluntary Anti-Doping Association) testing program, thus making him the first UFC fighter to be signed to both USADA and VADA testing programs simultaneously.[248] Drug tests administered at UFC 232 found an ultra trace amount of turinabol, which doctors attributed to a long-term "pulsing effect" of the M3 metabolite detected in 2017. CSAC did not take disciplinary action against Jones as the medical experts stated that there was no evidence that Jones had re-administered a banned substance and no performance-enhancing benefits were gained.[249]






PRAGMATISM

It’s a complicated career. That’s for sure. For me I try to remember what he did in the octagon. Because for basically 10 years I think he was the greatest fighter in the history of the game. He really was. But obviously a lot comes along with that. It’s unfortunate that so much clouds his legacy. But he still has an opportunity to add to it.

 

[HHJ]

For me I try to remember what he did in the octagon.\

I remember alot more than that

Its funny how his fans have to get used to the long periods he is away due to suspensions,and they are all "well i just focus on inside the octagon!" as if its possible to seperate the two ahahaha

 

[Dbreiden83080]

I remember alot more than that

Its funny how his fans have to get used to the long periods he is away due to suspensions,and they are all "well i just focus on inside the octagon!" as if its possible to seperate the two ahahaha

The steroids are a major issue. In terms of the personal issues outside the cage with his arrests that doesn’t affect his legacy for me. Plenty of all time great athletes had their issues outside the ring or field. Look at Mike Tyson.

 

[HHJ]

The steroids are a major issue. In terms of the personal issues outside the cage with his arrests that doesn’t affect his legacy for me. Plenty of all time great athletes had their issues outside the ring or field. Look at Mike Tyson.

Its too much. All of this shit piled on is too much for me. Even if the roids,and the crime isnt enough,then you factor in the UFC and USADA trying to sweep the shit under the rug? Jones can go take a turinabol assisted leap off an endless hill of fishooks for all i care.

 

[TheComputerGuy]

No mother wont help. Your own mother wont help

What you typed is NONSENSE

since clearly your mom can’t read either. Then get neighbors mom to help you

 

[Dbreiden83080]

Its too much. All of this shit piled on is too much for me. Even if the roids,and the crime isnt,then you factor in the UFC and USADA trying to sweep the shit under the rug? Jones can go take a turinabol assisted leap off an endless hill of fishooks for all i care.

I hear you. But also you have to factor in previous generation of fighters, testing was complete shit, and certain things are put under a microscope today, Nobody looked at whatsoever earlier on..

 

[WalterSobchak]

Remember when DC was champ and then he got destroyed twice by JBJ? UFC Schill

 

[HHJ]

I hear you. But also you have to factor in previous generation of fighters, testing was complete shit, and certain things are put under a microscope today, Nobody looked at whatsoever earlier on..

I like my idea better,that Jones absolutley sucks.

He's a great fighter? How great would he be if all his opponents were allowed to take the same stuff? Why does he still take em,despite all the suspensions and collossal asterisks now applied to his career?

 

[HHJ]

Remember when DC was champ and then he got destroyed twice by JBJ? UFC Schill

 

[Dbreiden83080]

I like my idea better,that Jones absolutley sucks.

He's a great fighter? How great would he be if all his opponents were allowed to take the same stuff? Why does he still take em,despite all the suspensions and collossal asterisks now applied to his career?

Some of his opponents we know for a fact did take the same stuff.

Vitor was taking enough performance-enhancing drugs to choke a fucking camel.

We have past generations of fighters with literally zero steroid testing. Some did, some didn’t. We will never know. There is no way of knowing. It’s not a fair evaluation.

 

[mkt]

Jones loses to Francis and Cyril, but DC gets wrecked by all three.

Current DC, yes. The Strikeforce HW version who wrecked Josh Barnett and prime Bigfoot? He'd have a chance with his wrestling.

 

[1s1k]

I think he has an easier time of it in the heavyweight division. His last few fights have shown how he has slowed down.

In the heavyweight division all he has to do is avoid the big bomb and that’s it. With his length and head, oblique kick threat it will be very difficult for anyone to connect clean on him.

 

[Hatorade]

Jones loses to Francis and Cyril, but DC gets wrecked by all three.

Prime DC beats Francis and Gane most of the time. I would bet my life savings on it.
Prime Stipe wrecked Francis, and a 40 something WAY past prime DC Dominated Stipe in the first 2 fights for all but 2 minutes. He was just done in the 3rd fight.

Prime Jones absolutely demolishes Francis or Gane. The weight gain is silly. At 225lbs nobody beats roided prime Jones IMO.