Crime Dallas Officer Kills Man in Apartment "She Thought Was Hers"

[Jorge Luis Borges]

It's muder because her intent was to kill and she didn't have to. Even if it was her home, she said she geard the intruder before she opened the door and that when she opened the door, he wasn't facing her. Which means she could have retreated and called for backup at multiple points but chose not to. Additionally, the building had sent out an email saying that inspectors would be going into people's apartments throughout the week. Jean could've been there installing a smoke detector and she just rolled in firing. That's murder.

If it has been her apartment, the case would not have been prosecuted, and if it had, no jury would have convicted. The key detail in this case was that the man was in his own apartment; Guyger was trespassing.

 

[Unknown Pleasures]

Is it weird that I dont really care about the text messages that much? I know they're fucked up but... whatever. She killed a guy.. let's sentence her on that. Not her stupid opinions.. no?

Little too late for that though

Agree 100%. Lot of people talk silly in texts and online. Using that against them in sentencing seems lame to me.

 

[Leagon]

Your opinion or interpretation of any law, facts or occurrences is highly dubious. I'm not contesting the content of this quote, I contest the content of your character.

Do we know each other? I don't remember us ever interacting, but seems like I left a bad taste in your mouth. Ah well, carry on.

 

[Leagon]

If it has been her apartment, the case would not have been prosecuted, and if it had, no jury would have convicted. The key detail in this case was that the man was in his own apartment; Guyger was trespassing.

I disagree. Again, if a guy had been in her apartment to install a smoke detector, she woulda still been guilty of murder. Castle doctrine only applies if the residence is occupied, which it wasn't.

If there was conclusive evidence that Jean was trying to kill her, she would've had a stronger claim to self defense and likely wouldn't have been convicted, whether on his property or no.

 

[PHATV]

While i understand what you guys are trying to express at the core of this sentiment and that is ok, there is also a very bright line you paint here which is troubling.


That is that without this demonstration by the brother there would have been some underlying belief (conscious or subconscious) that 'he likely deserved it in some fashion' or 'was likely a bad actor anyway, so no big loss'

It's a 'if I don't see you do something good.. i am going to assume you are bad' type sentiment.

Nah, you just like seeing what you want to see. Whatever fits your narrative.
What I witnessed between the brother and mother shows me we lost a good man of good stock. Not just a regular good guy, likely a really good guy.
Now, people make their own decisions and possible he was a dick for all I know, but I doubt it with what I saw from his family. Otherwise, it wouldn't be worth comment one way or the other. But way to try to spin it into a negative. lol

 

[Jorge Luis Borges]

I disagree. Again, if a guy had been in her apartment to install a smoke detector, she woulda still been guilty of murder. Castle doctrine only applies if the residence is occupied, which it wasn't.

If there was conclusive evidence that Jean was trying to kill her, she would've had a stronger claim to self defense and likely wouldn't have been convicted, whether on his property or no.

Fair point. Has Jean been trespassing, that in itself is not grounds for summary execution. I think we can agree on that.

But the benefit of the doubt would be much more strongly in her favor at that point. She wouldn't need to present conclusive evidence that he was trying to kill her, the prosecution would have to provide clear evidence that he had not been a threat. I'm not saying there would be no legal basis for charging her. I'm saying she would not have been charged because the chance for a conviction would likely be negligible.

I remember reading about a case (on Sherdog iirc) in which some sicko set up a trap where he had his garage wide open with tempting stuff to steal and then shot a teenager, I vaguely remember was a German tourist or exchange student. I think that guy was charged, but there was evidence of his intent to create a situation in which he felt free to kill a non threatening criminal.

 

[Jorge Luis Borges]

While i understand what you guys are trying to express at the core of this sentiment and that is ok, there is also a very bright line you paint here which is troubling.


That is that without this demonstration by the brother there would have been some underlying belief (conscious or subconscious) that 'he likely deserved it in some fashion' or 'was likely a bad actor anyway, so no big loss'

It's a 'if I don't see you do something good.. i am going to assume you are bad' type sentiment.

This is a poor response.

Can you show whether either of them assumed the guy was bad? They expressed the sentiment that this family demonstrated extraordinary moral fiber, making the loss of one of the family members that much worse. Doesn't mean without such extraordinary moral fiber that it was fine the man was murdered.

Admiring the man's family does not equal placing the onus on them to show that Botham Jean didn't deserve death.

 

[SmilinDesperado]

Honestly, I think it is lack of IQ/critical thinking.

Yeah, it was a fucked up situation. But if you are an adult with a working brain, I don't understand how you can look at this and just cry racism. I'm not saying she was or wasn't a little racist. But when you put it in pragmatic terms (as you did) you can't help but see how imbecilic the viewpoint is.

Yes, she found out a black guy lived directly above her and her master plan was to get off shift, go to his apartment, pray to sweet Jesus that his door was unlocked so she could get in, walk in a blast him. That makes a lot of fucking sense.

The same fucking people are out there now protesting the sentence. You can't help it. These are people lead by their heart, not their head.

Who actually made this argument you made up here?
Race was a part of this discussion, but it was just a part. There are multiple issues at play here. The main beef and concern here was about police culture, and how the rules don't usually apply to the cops the same way they do to normal people.
The guy this chick was banging has a Latin background, and the Texas ranger that said "she didn't commit a crime", was black. This was about cops protecting cops,not a straight up black/white issue

Even if someone wanted to go the racist argument route, you think THAT is more ridiculous than "I mistaked my own apartment, went to some other random dudes place, and shot him dead while he was eating icecream and watching a game"?
True or not, the story is fucking ridiculous.

 

[MikeMcMann]

This is a poor response.

Can you show whether either of them assumed the guy was bad? They expressed the sentiment that this family demonstrated extraordinary moral fiber, making the loss of one of the family members that much worse. Doesn't mean without such extraordinary moral fiber that it was fine the man was murdered.

Admiring the man's family does not equal placing the onus on them to show that Botham Jean didn't deserve death.

it's not a poor response.

Obviously different people can and have viewed that response differently and that is fair enough.

 

[Jorge Luis Borges]

it's not a poor response.

Obviously different people can and have viewed that response differently and that is fair enough.

Yes, different people have different views. Some of those people saw the impressive moral character displayed by the Jean family and admired it, and by extension, admired the man who was murdered. Then there are others, like yourself, who shit on those people baselessly, and there is nothing fair about that. It was a poor response. You should consider apologizing.

 

[cincymma79]

She got ten years for killing someone being a dumbass
Seems about right

 

[MikeMcMann]

Yes, different people have different views. Some of those people saw the impressive moral character displayed by the Jean family and admired it, and by extension, admired the man who was murdered. Then there are others, like yourself, who shit on those people baselessly, and there is nothing fair about that. It was a poor response. You should consider apologizing.

haha lying Inga with one of the most tenuous moral positions on this forum moralizing. Too funny.

No, I offered my pov, and you offered yours. You just seem to think yours is the only acceptable one and that is because of the type of person you are.

You will notice what I did not do which is push my view as the only acceptable once he explained his as you are basically doing here.

A fari reading of what was said can infer either path. No one can say it cannot. Great if you took the sunny view. If you are hoping for a 'good job' you are not going to get it. Different people, not you, with different life experiences may take it differently. And that is ok too. As long as they listen when clarfield. Idid. Will you? I suspect not. Actually no, I know not.

 

[IGotAHugePeckah]

I saw the vid of the guy's brother hugging the cop... real touching stuff!

 

[Strychnine]

I saw the vid of the guy's brother hugging the cop... real touching stuff!

That was a true display of forgiveness and love. I'm a follower of Jesus and his teachings and I hope we who call ourselves Christians could follow what the Lord taught and what he displayed in that courtroom.

 

[Kuggk]

That was a true display of forgiveness and love. I'm a follower of Jesus and his teachings and I hope we who call ourselves Christians could follow what the Lord taught and what he displayed in that courtroom.

Are you referring to philia, incest, genocide, slavery, etc in Bible?

 

[Strychnine]

Are you referring to philia, incest, genocide, slavery, etc in Bible?

I'm referring to the love and forgiveness that the Lord Jesus Christ preached.

 

[Arkain2K]

 

[Ultra O’Dia]

Are you referring to philia, incest, genocide, slavery, etc in Bible?

people that make comments like this are so simple, and so gross.

 

[Culombo]

so all that crying and making sad faces on the stand paid off after all

 

[cincymma79]

Are you referring to philia, incest, genocide, slavery, etc in Bible?