Crime Dallas Officer Kills Man in Apartment "She Thought Was Hers"

[esant707]

Whether she was racist or not, I don't think the shooting was racially motivated. I think it was a mistake but I still think she should have got a longer sentence. She definitely would have gotten longer if she wasn't a cop, I don't think anyone can disagree with that.

This whole case prompted me to look into other sentences in Texas. Some drug dealer got 30 years for selling a 18 year old girl heroin who was with her boyfriend and she ended up overdosing. While I feel the guy is somewhat responsible, I don't feel like it's even close to going into someone's house and murdering them. The girl made a choice to buy it, use it, and overindulge in it. I just really can't comprehend the drug laws in this country.

 

[Islam Imamate]

I guess they should all be ashamed of their racism.

I mean if anything I think the sentence was on the lenient side. I think 8 of the jurors were women so if anything sexism was at play!

everything, and none of it will be brought back by excessive punishment on her. The only thing to determine was - did she walk up there intentionally to kill a stranger, presumably because he is black, or was it a horrible mistake?
they determined this, and it appears very obvious, and she has been punished in the middle between someone who is innocent and someone who is an actual coldblooded killer.

I cant believe so many people WANT this to be the latter. Its disturbing.

Put yourself in a cops shoes - if you really want to kill black people, you dont think there is a better way than when off-duty, in a situation where there is no way anyone is going to believe that he was asking for it, and then call 911 and hang around? Are you crazy?

I can see how it unfolded. its not like he would have been able to even find words, let alone explain that she was in his apartment. He would have been as startled and more scared (not being armed) than her.

Some people want racism and evil so bad, its gross.

She wasnt cut out to be a cop, ill say that about her.

I hope this moves forward and i can see more communication between her and the brother. He is the type kf ghy who can make a difference, make a phoenix rise out if this tragedy. If she is a good enough person, and helped by him, this is the type of thing where the two of them can work to bridge communities together and heal the larger problem of which this instance is obviously a microcosm.

This woman isnt a bad person. I hope she will spend the rest of her life making things better, rather than just doing time.

I think that race played a part but not in that she premeditated the murder of a black man. Rather, when she saw him in what she thought was her apartment I think she was just that much more likely to pull the trigger on him. But mostly it was her recklessness and selfishness on display here.

I doubt race played much of a role in the killing, but her general personal shittyness sure did. When she thought there was an intruder in her place, instead of backing off and calling for help, her instinct was to go in and start shooting because that's what she wanted. When she was in training and she had trouble with CPR, her instinct was to fuck the dog and then completely ignore that she might need it someday, preferring instead to skate by. Ditto some of the other aspects of her training from what I gathered of her testimony. She was fucking a married man. She destroyed evidence. When she killed Jean her concern was for herself, not the guy bleeding out in the apartment. So, yes, she is a bad person.

Disclaimer: this is my opinion based upon watching some of her testimony and other parts of the trial, and some of the events that unfolded immediately after the original incident. There may be mitigating circumstances in her personal life that excuse some of the above, but up to now, nothing like that has come to light.

Yeah well said. I'd feel a lot more sorry for her and would in fact wanted her to get off scot-free had she acted appropriately once she realized her mistake and tried to save Jean's life. Also she could've tried to get a plea deal, that would've been better for her and would've shown that she accepted guilt at least on paper.

 

[Cubo de Sangre]

I mean if anything I think the sentence was on the lenient side. I think 8 of the jurors were women so if anything sexism was at play!

Studies show women get lighter sentences on average.

 

[WhiteMousse]

Someone explain to me how you mistake someone else's apartment for your own.

Not trying to stir the pot, I'm trying to see how this story could be credible in any way.

 

[method115]

Someone explain to me how you mistake someone else's apartment for your own.

Not trying to stir the pot, I'm trying to see how this story could be credible in any way.

They polled the apartment and people gave testimony of doing the same thing. With all the floors looking the same and people having their head stuck in their phone seems easy enough.

 

[WhiteMousse]

They polled the apartment and people gave testimony of doing the same thing. With all the floors looking the same and people having their head stuck in their phone seems easy enough.

If that's true and it's a common occurrence and there's a plausible possibility that she thought someone broke into her house, why was she convicted of murder?

 

[method115]

If that's true and it's a common occurrence and there's a plausible possibility that she thought someone broke into her house, why was she convicted of murder?

Because she murdered someone and while other people did it no one died in those situations. So the defense kind of screwed themselves because they showed all these people doing it but also showed no one died until Amber did it. She also leaned heavily on her "police training" yet when she heard a burglar she attempted to stop him by herself instead of getting back and calling for backup. Which another officer reluctantly said is what he would have done cause that's how they are trained.

 

[DragRacer]

I also agree that her sentence should have been much more than 10 years, but let me play advocate and ask why do you think her sentence would have been lighter had she not been a cop?

If the jury consisted of her fellow DPD police officers, then that’s obvious... but the jury packed full of minorities were the sole arbiters.

Ooo please she will probably get out in 5 years....she is 31 years old....she could very well go out when she is 35-36, get married with his sexting buddy, have kids(alittle late tho), and have a normal fucking life.

Again she robbed the guy, of atleast 40 years of life IMO, if he had died a natural death when he was old.....and robbed his family of that as well.

The punishment is nothing.

Even if she stays in jail until 41 years old.....Her life is pretty much good....Worst case scenerio she works a fucking retail job for her whole life Wow such a tough life lol

She walked away compared to what a citizen would've gotten for the same dumbass mistake.

 

[WhiteMousse]

Because she murdered someone and while other people did it no one died in those situations. So the defense kind of screwed themselves because they showed all these people doing it but also showed no one died until Amber did it. She also leaned heavily on her "police training" yet when she heard a burglar she attempted to stop him by herself instead of getting back and calling for backup. Which another officer reluctantly said is what he would have done cause that's how they are trained.

Given all that, it's not murder though.

I should clarify before continuing. I think ten years for this is really tame. The punishment should be more severe but if you can establish that her intent was to defend what she thought was her home, I don't know how that can translate to murder instead of one of the various manslaughter convictions.

 

[method115]

Given all that, it's not murder though.

I should clarify before continuing. I think ten years for this is really tame. The punishment should be more severe but if you can establish that her intent was to defend what she thought was her home, I don't know how that can translate to murder instead of one of the various manslaughter convictions.

I'm not sure. Others in the thread were talking about the way Texas does their manslaughter\murder charges and I think it's different than other states so that might be why. I didn't care to much about that aspect of the case so I wasn't paying attention to those post.

 

[all caps]

 

[Leagon]

Given all that, it's not murder though.

I should clarify before continuing. I think ten years for this is really tame. The punishment should be more severe but if you can establish that her intent was to defend what she thought was her home, I don't know how that can translate to murder instead of one of the various manslaughter convictions.

It's muder because her intent was to kill and she didn't have to. Even if it was her home, she said she geard the intruder before she opened the door and that when she opened the door, he wasn't facing her. Which means she could have retreated and called for backup at multiple points but chose not to. Additionally, the building had sent out an email saying that inspectors would be going into people's apartments throughout the week. Jean could've been there installing a smoke detector and she just rolled in firing. That's murder.

 

[Andy Capp]

If that's true and it's a common occurrence and there's a plausible possibility that she thought someone broke into her house, why was she convicted of murder?

First, there's the "reasonableness" of her actions. Could a reasonable person fail to notice all of the door numbers, the uniqueness of the doormat, the unlikelihood if the door being ajar, the differences in appearance all the way from the front door to the living room/dining area. Could a reasonable person decide the best way to handle your suspicion there's someone in your apartment is to go in guns a'blazin' when you have the very clear option to remain outside and call for help. I could go on if you need more.

I posted earlier the criteria for a finding of guilty on a murder charge in Texas. She had intent to kill when she pulled the trigger. She failed to give first aid, preferring instead to leave the scene to call it in. She avoids a capital murder charge because the door being ajar is plausible, but all her training was designed to prevent just such an occurrence and it didn't. She was therefore grossly negligent in her training. A conviction of murder is appropriate under the circumstances, IMO.

 

[Jorge Luis Borges]

If that's true and it's a common occurrence and there's a plausible possibility that she thought someone broke into her house, why was she convicted of murder?

Criminal negligence. It was her responsibility to know she wasn't in her own damn apartment before shooting the guy who lived there.

 

[Andy Capp]

Please define black statist.

If you call yourself an anarcho-capitalist, according to the definition I just googled, I'm not going to see eye to eye with you on what this guy is going in about based upon what I have heard in the first 5 minutes, so I'd like to hear your definition. I think people making hay over the hug are shitty. Disagree on the reasons, though, I think.

Edit: "They're all level one when they discuss it." This guy thinks he is smarter than everyone else just like every other yahoo on youtube with a podcast. It's the Dunning Kruger effect writ large from what I can see. No offense to you, Sirgay--you know where I am at on this I think--but I can't back you when it comes to this guy.

 

[Andy Capp]

Criminal negligence. It was her responsibility to know she wasn't in her own damn apartment before shooting the guy who lived there.

Being a cop, it was her responsibility to know whether there was a reason to shoot anybody before she pulled the trigger. So, yeah.

 

[all caps]

Please define black statist.

If you call yourself an anarcho-capitalist, according to the definition I just googled, I'm not going to see eye to eye with you on what this guy is going in about based upon what I have heard in the first 5 minutes, so I'd like to hear your definition. I think people making hay over the hug are shitty. Disagree on the reasons, though, I think.

Edit: "They're all level one when they discuss it." This guy thinks he is smarter than everyone else just like every other yahoo on youtube with a podcast. It's the Dunning Kruger effect writ large from what I can see. No offense to you, Sirgay--you know where I am at on this I think--but I can't back you when it comes to this guy.

Hey man, I'm just passing on info and other peoples views for anyone who wants to hear them. I dont have a definition on "anarcho capitalism" or "black statism" - I just like to hear everyones opinions and ideas. Some of you guys have me mistaken for something I'm not imo.

Also - I think you have to have a little of that smug "smarter than everyone else" in you to be a YouTuber, or anyone like that. Not everyone is built to put themselves and their own opinions out like that for everyone to hear see and judge.

 

[WhiteMousse]

It's muder because her intent was to kill and she didn't have to. Even if it was her home, she said she geard the intruder before she opened the door and that when she opened the door, he wasn't facing her. Which means she could have retreated and called for backup at multiple points but chose not to. Additionally, the building had sent out an email saying that inspectors would be going into people's apartments throughout the week. Jean could've been there installing a smoke detector and she just rolled in firing. That's murder.

Your opinion or interpretation of any law, facts or occurrences is highly dubious. I'm not contesting the content of this quote, I contest the content of your character.

 

[Andy Capp]

Also - I think you have to have a little of that smug "smarter than everyone else" in you to be a YouTuber, or anyone like that. Not everyone is built to put themselves and their own opinions out like that for everyone to hear see and judge.

I agree that sort of thing takes a certain aptitude and maybe a bit of ego, and I didn't say the guy was dumb, or that he wasn't a good podcaster. I'm in no position to judge. I was judging his view of his own intellect in comparison with other people's to be typical of the type of person I described. And that doesn't make their opinions anymore valuable than yours or mine.

Hey man, I'm just passing on info and other peoples views for anyone who wants to hear them. I dont have a definition on "anarcho capitalism" or "black statism" - I just like to hear everyones opinions and ideas. Some of you guys have me mistaken for something I'm not imo.

No, not judging your motive for posting this, which is why I left you an out with "If you call yourself...". I find the real you to be much more of an enigma than almost anyone on here, so I try to keep an open mind. But I felt the need to direct to you an honest assessment, as objectively considered as I am capable of, of this guy and his opinion.

 

[Islam Imamate]

Studies show women get lighter sentences on average.

Yeah I know, that's one gender inequality you won't see feminists raising much awareness about.