CPAC 2014 Minority outreach panel

[Denter]

Could it be that for every hispanic politician in the gop there's 100 knuckledraggers with perpetual "foot in mouth" syndrome?

Might it also be that the gop is a huge opponent of comprehensive immigration reform to the point the prominent GOP journalists like Ann Coulter (while at CPAC mind you) decried the perceived "Browning of America"?

Could it be that the GOP effectively told minorities to fuck off for the last slice of fucking forever and are so out of touch with minority issues that they come off as condescending, dishonest, and totally incompetent?

Surely none of that is true right? Nah, its the big bad left boogeyman smearing the shit out of the nice friendly GOP right? Fucking lol.

Condescending, like when Hillary and Biden put on their black preacher voices? :icon_chee

 

[Islam Imamate]

Do specifically women gravitate towards useless courses?

Yes, they dominate the social sciences which tend to have fewer job opportunities but who am I to criticize them? :redface:

Correct me if I'm wrong, but a "culture" has to be able to stand on it's own two feet, correct?

I don't think people are going around in Africa impregnating women without getting married, the societies would collapse. The only countries where people have children illegitimately are the wealthy industrialized countries that typically promote this sort of behavior through welfare.

Again, I'm not aware of people in the Congo running around impregnating people and then just leaving cold turkey. That sort of stuff doesn't fly there (incredibly Christian country). I could be wrong, but someone who is a sociologist could explain this concept of "culture" to me. I really don't think illegitimate children born out of wedlock is something that is part of any previous culture. I think marriage has typically been an institution that has been used because of labor necessity and economic situations (living together is cheaper than living apart).

Is this a fucking joke? I can't believe no one called you out on this. The Congo is the rape capital of the world and fathers of children born out of wedlock are not required to pay child support. So yes, they are running around impregnating women and then leaving and they happen to do so without their consent and/or without the responsibility of child support.

EDIT: Their society is collapsing but I suspect it has more to do with the fact that they're involved in the deadliest conflict in half a century.

 

[IDL]

I think you got that backwards. The left were strong supporters of fighting the Nazis, especially after Barbarossa. The largest opposition to US involvement in WWII came from the fascists.

There wasn't a strong public desire to enter into European conflicts at the time.

Trying to assign that to left or right seems odd. 'The left' or 'The right' really simplifies things though I guess.

 

[Denter]

There wasn't a strong public desire to enter into European conflicts at the time.

Trying to assign that to left or right seems odd. 'The left' or 'The right' really simplifies things though I guess.

True, that changed once Hitler declared war on us though.

And obviously after Pearl Harbor the people were supportive of a war against the Empire of Japan.

 

[Workers United]

I think he's a racist communist twat who approves of affirmative action.

Not to mention, college professors are the modern slave drivers making sure the youth are put into debt for worthless degrees. He makes money off of ideological imaginary problems for an astronomical price and the false promise that going to college for debt slavery will be rewarded. He claims to be against the capitalistic system, but he's the very cog in the most corrupt market that plagues the youth to date- which actually makes him a perfect cookie-cutter communist as history always shows. Fuck him.

Wait, college professors are the slave drivers? I don't have any control over the institutional apparatuses that dictate tuition prices or fees or student loans.

My job is to teach, and I make no promises about monetary rewards to anybody.

Every radical professor understands that there's a contradiction between the the entire educational institution, and their own politics. We often point out this contradiction in our classrooms and understand we are operating in hostile territory.

Yes, universities are the most corrupt market, as opposed to corporations, finance capital, the military, and law enforcement, which you are apparently stating are less corrupt than universities.

This is why you come off like such an idiot. I don't normally recommend education to people unless for very specific reasons, but I honestly think you need to think about taking some community college courses in philosophy (for a start) because you have very provincial and limited view of the world and how to ascertain truth.

 

[TheComebackKid]

The "100 knuckledraggers" you are describing may exist but are an old arm of the party that is dying out. You likely would've thrown Romney into that stereotype during the election but now we have MSNBC hosts making jokes about his black grandson.

Immigration reform is an issue the GOP is open to. If you look at the 2016 candidates with a chance on the GOP side, they are all open to a path to citizenship. The problem is democrats want to monopolize this issue into the narrative your post carries and make it into, GOP=racist, Dem=open party.

Immigration reform is a very important issue and one that can't just be shoved through without taking time to make key implementations. Dems just want citizenship to all and no border security from what I've seen. Given however, the House GOP has also been stonewalling as well but I think that's because the GOP actually believes a immigration reform agenda in 2016 will benefit them.

In the end, both party's are positioning themselves on an issue for votes/party control rather than the true importance of the issue. Nothing surprising.

Quality post.

 

[Higus]

I don't think you are going to find many conservatives interested in a "minority outreach". Most conservatives feel people should be treated as individuals and that skin color shouldn't be a factor. They also feel as tho they are not the racists people paint them as and therefore is no need to reach out.

Close. I think the real issue is that the GOP as a whole has decided to target a "pure" audience rather than a "broad" one. They are counting on high energy (read: high voter turnout) for their supporters, and apathy (read: low turn out) from everyone else. It's an interesting strategy to win elections; kind of turning conventional politics on it's head. Minority outreach seminars are just for trying to keep appearances. If gaining minority votes was a major part of their overall strategy, they would have vastly different policy plans.

 

[TheComebackKid]

Close. I think the real issue is that the GOP as a whole has decided to target a "pure" audience rather than a "broad" one. They are counting on high energy (read: high voter turnout) for their supporters, and apathy (read: low turn out) from everyone else. It's an interesting strategy to win elections; kind of turning conventional politics on it's head. Minority outreach seminars are just for trying to keep appearances. If gaining minority votes was a major part of their overall strategy, they would have vastly different policy plans.

This is all true. They definitely seem to be going for substance rather than political platitudes and empty policies. At least the voters are. And most of the gop base can see this minority outreach thing for what it is...a pr stunt trying to paint the image that the GOP is concerned with minority specific issues(or at least what gets painted as minority specific issues).

 

[nixkid]

So they attempted to reach out and failed. Romney went the NAACP and the news story became how he was booed. Making the GOP into this stereotypical group of ignorant bigots isn't going to be able to work in the future. Their attempts to reach out with liberal media jumping on it and calling it pathetic just makes their side look racist. The fact they they have this entitlement to minority voters just makes me sick. The GOP has far more rising hispanic politicians and they still get labeled racist.

So should Hitler have gotten brownie points for reaching out if he showed up to a synagogue and tried to sell the Jews on the Holocaust (and no I didn't just compare Romney to Hitler)? Romney came and started spewing the same tired Republican platform just like every Republican has done since whenever they decided black outreach was a thing they had to do to keep up appearances. So no, you don't just get points for showing up.

 

[nixkid]

Yea, but you are talking about a small chuck of the southern whites more than the actual base. The chunk you're talking about is what takes them over the top. That is something that can be replaced while keeping the base happy. If you cut all the talk radio/Fox news chatter, I'm certain the majority of republicans want immigration reform.

I think the darker side of the GOP even wants some degree of immigration reform because the truth is, immigrants provide cheap labor to companies. The problem is those politicians realize citizenship will mean a push for higher wages. It's a tightrope for them.

I don't think its a small chunk but even if it were the loss of a few million votes is enough to put them in permanent minority status in Congress and place the Presidency out of reach. And they've never been as vulnerable as they are right now. The infrastructure is already is place for large swathes of the Republican base to leaves in droves. The Republican establishment had to begrudgingly co-opt the tea party to stop it from cannibalizing their vote. And it wouldn't take much to piss those people off. They are already walking a thin line on immigration. Anything substantial policy geared towards blacks is a non-starter which is why they never show up to any of the NAACP meetings you spoke of with any policy. Only rhetoric.

 

[TheComebackKid]

So should Hitler have gotten brownie points for reaching out if he showed up to a synagogue and tried to sell the Jews on the Holocaust (and no I didn't just compare Romney to Hitler)? Romney came and started spewing the same tired Republican platform just like every Republican has done since whenever they decided black outreach was a thing they had to do to keep up appearances. So no, you don't just get points for showing up.

Lol. Cmon man. You totally just compared Romney to Hitler and the Republican platform to the Holocaust.

 

[nixkid]

Lol. Cmon man. You totally just compared Romney to Hitler and the Republican platform to the Holocaust.

Only to a simpleminded fuck. It was an analogy that basically shows that a politician merely making an appearance in front of some group isn't worthy of merit. Especially if what they are touting is harmful to that group. It doesn't make any sense. Of course, he got booed. He had nothing to say.

 

[TheComebackKid]

Only to a simpleminded fuck. It was an analogy that basically shows that a politician merely making an appearance in front of some group isn't worthy of merit. Especially if what they are touting is harmful to that group. It doesn't make any sense. Of course, he got booed. He had nothing to say.

What was Romney touting that was harmful to African Americans that qualifies the analogy you made?

 

[nixkid]

What was Romney touting that was harmful to African Americans that qualifies the analogy you made?

The Republican Party's platform.

 

[LucasWithLidOff]

The Republican Party's platform.

In other words, you really don't have an honest and informed answer.

 

[nixkid]

In other words, you really don't have an honest and informed answer.

Yeah. Damn near everything in it but to keep this post concise, lets start with:

Economic policies that enrich the top 1%, a position very few black people find themselves in, at the expense of the bottom 20% (where many black people currently reside on the totem pole).

Support for policies that seek to minimize black influence over the elections like gerrymandering along racial lines and superfluous voter ID laws.

Systematic dismantling of the social safety net.

No policy initiatives that address specific problems facing the black community.

And so on and so on.

 

[Denter]

Only to a simpleminded fuck. It was an analogy that basically shows that a politician merely making an appearance in front of some group isn't worthy of merit. Especially if what they are touting is harmful to that group. It doesn't make any sense. Of course, he got booed. He had nothing to say.

You obviously didn't listen to the speech. Romney got applause when discussing school choice.

 

[nixkid]

You obviously didn't listen to the speech. Romney got applause when discussing school choice.

So he had one thing to say that some people liked. Good for him. Maybe Republicans will get 10% of the black vote next time. Good job.

But I was speaking in general about the notion that he should be patted on the back (i.e. not booed) when speaking in favor of things that are counter to that group's interest. If Obama gets booed speaking in front of some Christian group about gay marriage or abortion no one would care. Shit, if he went in front of the NAACP and talked about gay marriage he might get booed.

 

[FinalFight]

Ted Nugent and Rush Limbaugh would make good minority outreach ambassadors for the repubican party.

 

[TheComebackKid]

This racial dynamic is really weird. On one hand it is the left who is constantly fighting the evils of racism but it is them who insist on injecting it into our policies. Either we are color blind or we aren't. It seems many democrats and people on the left insist on not being color blind.