CPAC 2014 Minority outreach panel

[IDL]

So. .. if you don't have that "legacy", then it is no biggie to believe in racial superiority?

Racism has 1001 meanings. I's hard to keep up with honestly.

It may be a case of scope creep.

 

[Workers United]

So. .. if you don't have that "legacy", then it is no biggie to believe in racial superiority?

I think that's a silly question meant to divert and dumb down the real issue.

I wouldn't say "it's no biggie." It's more up to people to analyze in what context it might be meaningful.

What I will say is that white male feelings are the most privileged subjective space in the US. The minute a white male feels threatened by anything, he immediately skips over centuries of continued and present privilege and goes straight into victimizing himself to extremes unheard of in human history. I don't think chattel slaves in the U.S. 19th century thought of themselves as victims to the extreme that the white male in America does.

I'm dead serious. And I've actually spent hundreds of hours researching slave narratives and letters.

 

[Workers United]

Racism has 1001 meanings. I's hard to keep up with honestly.

It may be a case of scope creep.

Racialized oppression (ideological and/or repressive) backed by institutional power.

That would be my definition, in a pinch.

 

[Brotein]

Ted Nugent and Rush Limbaugh would make good minority outreach ambassadors for the repubican party.

No one showed up because there wasn't any taxpayer funded freebies to give away...

 

[Brotein]

Exactly^ I can't believe that people in this day and age still buy into "they're lazy, no-good, drug taking" stereotype. What you see plastered all over Fox "news" isn't reality. It's just control to get you to vote a certain way so that they stay in power and keep the money. Go out and speak to people and you'll see what's up.

Keep money they earned? I hate how presidential elections have turned into which Santa will bring me more goodies.

 

[FinalFight]

Ted Nugent and Rush Limbaugh would make good minority outreach ambassadors for the repubican party.

No one showed up because there wasn't any taxpayer funded freebies to give away...

Typical true to form answer you'd expect and one of the reasons why so few minorities vote republican.

 

[TheComebackKid]

Typical true to form answer you'd expect and one of the reasons why so few minorities vote republican.

Because of tax payer funded freebies?

 

[kpt018]

Keep money they earned? I hate how presidential elections have turned into which Santa will bring me more goodies.

Or maybe, JUST MAYBE, citizens expect their politicians to fight for what is in their interest. You know, like, the government serving the people and whatnot.

 

[Jack V Savage]

Because of tax payer funded freebies?

He was pretty obviously referring to the blatant racism of many of the party's voters, elected leaders, and pundits. It's stunning that you'd defend that kind of thing.

 

[TheComebackKid]

The left is so race conscious its ridiculous

 

[TheComebackKid]

Or maybe, JUST MAYBE, citizens expect their politicians to fight for what is in their interest. You know, like, the government serving the people and whatnot.

Right. And their interests include taking money from one person and giving it to another. Tax payer funded freebies in other words. Some tax payer funded programs are necessary and I definitely support a social safety net but I really don't think we should be voting based on personal gain.

I think Ben Franklin said something about that once.

 

[kpt018]

Right. And their interests include taking money from one person and giving it to another. Tax payer funded freebies in other words. Some tax payer funded programs are necessary and I definitely support a social safety net but I really don't think we should be voting based on personal gain.

I think Ben Franklin said something about that once.

That's such a dishonest and quite frankly childish way of viewing it. It's no wonder conservatives love that gif of Obama taking a toy away from a kid and sharing it with other kids (was it legos or something?).

To quote FDR:

“Taxes, after all, are dues that we pay for the privileges of membership in an organized society.”

Part of what constitutes living in an organized society is that we have a social safety net that provides those who are less fortunate an opportunity to improve their lives. It is not about personal gain but voting on politicians who will fight for a better system for everyone.

We all benefit from a stronger and bigger middle class, including the wealthy.

So you say you support a social safety net. What bothers you then?

 

[lowkick13]

The left is so race conscious its ridiculous

You're pathetic. That was the most blatant underhanded welfare crack aimed at minorities and you're conveniently playing dumb about it.

 

[Jack V Savage]

You're pathetic. That was the most blatant underhanded welfare crack aimed at minorities and you're conveniently playing dumb about it.

Just another example of TCK putting party loyalty above basic human decency.

 

[IDL]

Racialized oppression (ideological and/or repressive) backed by institutional power.

That would be my definition, in a pinch.

Well that's the confusing part though. Each person has their own definition.

 

[Workers United]

Well that's the confusing part though. Each person has their own definition.

True and fair enough.

I do happen to be an expert on the subject, however, and my definition is based not just on my opinion, but on a history of definitions developed by other experts in critical race studies.

 

[Social Distance Warrior]

The left is so race conscious its ridiculous

I will agree with the notion that the term racism is used too often and loosley...however being "race conscious" isn't negative...and calling something racist or identifying suble racism and coded language as being racist isn't negative or a bad thing either.

 

[IDL]

True and fair enough.

I do happen to be an expert on the subject, however, and my definition is based not just on my opinion, but on a history of definitions developed by other experts in critical race studies.

It sounds more of a philosophical definition that may not apply to many real life situations.

Would person A yelling racial slurs at person B be racism if person A wasn't affiliated with an institution?

 

[Hollywood Nicky]

Hard for slaves to escape the current welfare state plantation which grants minorities privileges over white people, because they aren't as good enough obviously which is why the are there in the first place, for the several things they get accommodated for just being a minority. Hooray affirmative action- another welfare policy for minorities.

i'm against affirmative action but yikes man. lol. kind of harsh.

 

[Denter]

I think that's a silly question meant to divert and dumb down the real issue.

I wouldn't say "it's no biggie." It's more up to people to analyze in what context it might be meaningful.

What I will say is that white male feelings are the most privileged subjective space in the US. The minute a white male feels threatened by anything, he immediately skips over centuries of continued and present privilege and goes straight into victimizing himself to extremes unheard of in human history. I don't think chattel slaves in the U.S. 19th century thought of themselves as victims to the extreme that the white male in America does.

I'm dead serious. And I've actually spent hundreds of hours researching slave narratives and letters.

I think there is some truth to the institutional argument, which reminds me of the William Burroughs quote:

I don't care if people hate my guts; I assume most of them do. The important question is whether they are in a position to do anything about it.

Then again, that's why we have created civil penalties for racial discrimination only in situations where one party has power over the other, ie, employment.