Could Francis Negotiate a Return UFC Fight (w/ Jon Jones)?

[TempleoftheDog]

It’s NEVER happening for three very good reasons.

1. Jones would NEVER sign to fight him. He ducked him already.

2. The UFC would NEVER ask him to come back.

3. Ngannou would NEVER come back.

Some of you people need to use your heads a little bit.

Why would the UFC ask him to come back? That would pretty much be like saying they made a mistake. Which they didn’t with all known information at the time.

Why would Ngannou come back? He gambled big and pulled it off. He has a name on his own now. He can get other big money fights now. And his performance against that bum Fury, means he’ll be getting more than the 20/80 split he got in the first fight.

Why would Jones fight that guy? He’s a career long cheater that has to cheat to win. We know this otherwise why would he cheat? He has one more fight maximum in the UFC. And that is going to be 42 year old Stipe.

Move on for fuck sake.

 

[ookii]

Dana stands in the way of that. He's no Vince McMahon in that regard, he takes things personal.

He still has to answer to Ari and if Ari says it's good for business he will have no real say. He did let Tito back in. Even so I don't think Ngannou would want to return since UFC still won't pay what's he's worth much more now

 

[humdizzle]

would never happen under Dana. even if the UFC changed management, Ngannou's price tag will be way more than it was before the Fury fight.

Jones' contract is likely air tight to prevent him from ever getting another fight outside the UFC. He has 7 fights left on his contact and he's already talking about retiring after Stipe.

UFC and PFL would never do a cross-promotion fight. it would legitimize PFL which is the last thing UFC wants.

 

[Poirierfan]

I do not care if Francis comes back to the UFC in the slightest. I only care about his future success.

 

[Dana's Moonface]

It's cool that you give props to Ngannou.

But why do you have to come across as if you liking Ngannou is more of a way to hate on Conor?

Just curious.

Not sure what his intentions were, but Conor embarrassed himself against a 40 year old retired boxer who was smaller and Francis just beat the undefeated champion, who is taller and younger

Francis is just a WAY better fighter and boxer than Conor

 

[User9992]

Francis won't fight in UFC for peanuts anymore. He experienced that boxing money already.

 

[Cooliox]

Dana stands in the way of that. He's no Vince McMahon in that regard, he takes things personal.

Well, Vince McMahon is the boss now... as shareholder of TKO Group

Dana works for him.

 

[Private Whatley]

At this point, I doubt it. He already shoved it up the UFC’s ass by securing the fight with Fury and inking a PFL deal that provided equity and flexibility. Saturday was an atomic wedgie.

Jones is hurt and possibly retiring, and the UFC now has two young, highly talented and most significantly, CASUALLY UNKNOWN fighters scrapping for an interim title. Meanwhile, the guy who left the company on top and arguably beat the best boxing heavyweight in the world and quite likely his generation has a godfather deal with the budding rival promotion who’s apparently flush with cash. The UFC will have very little bargaining leverage. Whatever they were offering before needs to increase significantly and they absolutely can’t prohibit him from boxing, not that they would even try after what we just saw. He’s not coming back without a McGregor deal, and that’s not a ridiculous ask anymore. He bent the company over organically.

The UFC will recover, but Francis won this war. Sherdog fight finder should list a win over Dana White on his record.

 

[Blastbeat]

i dont think Francis will ever face Jones unless it happens outside of the UFC.

 

[GearSolidMetal]

No chance Dana's gonna come anywhere close to paying Ngannou for that.

It'd be the biggest payday in UFC history.

 

[ookii]

Well, Vince McMahon is the boss now... as shareholder of TKO Group

Dana works for him.

Yup and Vince has a fetish for big strong muscle men

 

[Last Falconry]

the only thing dana does when he obviously sinks something that plainly seems like a good idea is to double down on the wrong notion that led him there in the first place. so, uh, no. I don't think the idiot "in charge" of the UFC is gonna supplicate himself to a guy he repeatedly called a scared, dumb pussy

 

[BForrester]

Why would he care to? He's making more money now and he's probably got a Fury rematch to look forward to. Like Dana would ever consider giving him a single-fight deal to go up against Jones.

 

[Spam On Rye]

Ngannou isn't a star. No hate, he just doesn't have the tiktok personality needed to be one these days.

 

[IronGolem007]

It’s NEVER happening for three very good reasons.

1. Jones would NEVER sign to fight him. He ducked him already.

2. The UFC would NEVER ask him to come back.

3. Ngannou would NEVER come back.

Some of you people need to use your heads a little bit.

Why would the UFC ask him to come back? That would pretty much be like saying they made a mistake. Which they didn’t with all known information at the time.

Why would Ngannou come back? He gambled big and pulled it off. He has a name on his own now. He can get other big money fights now. And his performance against that bum Fury, means he’ll be getting more than the 20/80 split he got in the first fight.

Why would Jones fight that guy? He’s a career long cheater that has to cheat to win. We know this otherwise why would he cheat? He has one more fight maximum in the UFC. And that is going to be 42 year old Stipe.

Move on for fuck sake.

1. Dana White has said there would "never" be Woman's MMA ... and yet there is.
2. You ask, "Why" the UFC would ask him to come back — MONEY.

The same reason Dana goes back on his word, over and over again, is because his word is worthless.

Some of you need to use your own heads a little bit, and realize the UFC is all about money.

Francis has shown he can defy the odds, outclassed the UFC, get people to hit their hip pockets.

Did you see how many pro boxers, and entertainers, there were in the audience? Tyson, Holyfield, Duran, Pacquiao, everyone.

So many elites came to see Ngannou perform — and every one of them said he did better than any expected.

That's why I asked this open question.

 

[BForrester]

Yup. That's why bj Penn, Jens pulver, and Randy courture never came back.

Randy had no other option other than fully retire or slink back to UFC; he was still under contract. BJ and Jens had little drawing power overseas and stood to earn more in UFC than anywhere else.

 

[blaseblase]

I don't see Dana allowing copromotion. Would be the biggest fight he could make though. Maybe the fact the PFL is on ESPN will help his superiors go over him.

 

[DoubleTrouble]

Given all of the new Francis hoopla, how he negotiated a position on PFL, how he negotiated a fight with Tyson Fury, the UFC has to acknowledge "the pull" Francis now has. It's undeniable.

In his new position, elevated higher than anyone perceived he would go, I wonder if Francis could negotiate a return UFC match, on a one-contract deal, with UFC Superstar, Jon Jones. (Jones might be too chicken-shit to accept.) However, Jones might accept, given the payday potential.

Might Francis Ngannou exceed Conor McGregor as a negotiator with the UFC, and an ultimate draw? Might he actually be the one to bridge the UFC monopoly, and show that certain fighters can break the chains of the UFC and actually achieved the pinnacle of success?

When you really think about Ngannou vs. McGregor (as public draws) Francis is perceived as the Ultimate fighter, whereas Conor was ultimately nothing but a megalomaniacal manlett, who got KO'd by a smaller, 40-year-old Floyd Mayweather — got KO'd by Floyd, who hadn't knocked anyone out in over 10 years.

Conor went bust, getting KO'd twice more after that by Poirier. Conor's crossover effort was an embarrassing flop compared to Ngannou's crossover effort – who floored the lineal Heavyweight Champion in Tyson Fury — who had KO'd 5 of his last 6 opponents going into the Ngannou fight.

Ngannou might actually be in a position to be wealthier than Conor, and a greater superstar than Conor. Ngannou is a bigger man, and a much more likable man. Conor is a megalomaniac fugg, whereas Ngannou is a humble soft-spoken giant. Conor is also a failure as a fighter. He failed in his biggest fights. Against Mayweather (he got KO'd), and against Khabib, he tapped out.

Ngannou is a winner. Even though he lost to Fury, he still scored a knockdown, and he was still going after the champion at the end. He also ultimately pulled out the win over Gane and got his revenge over Stipe.

This makes Ngannou not only have more star potential than Conor, but more potential to actually pull it off and win, whereas Conor always came up short — and always quit.

Dana is stubborn and Francis appears to have principles.

The UFC has nothing big enough to offer Francis that would match a Fury rematch or future boxing matches against other top fighters financially.

Plus the PFL has given him everything he seemed to be after from an MMA perspective.

Dana just needs to suck it up and admit (privately or otherwise) that he fucked up so badly on this one.

 

[FightsFTW]

It could happen, I doubt Dana's ego would let him turn down a mega fight like that after the performance Francis just had against the best HW boxer today, that fight would be even bigger than ever now, however, it wouldn't be a 1 fight deal. No way the UFC would let Ngannou walk away with the belt if he won. They would either have to play ball with Francis and give him the freedom and money he wants, or there would likely be a clause that says if he wins, he has to sign for more fights, but if he loses he's free to go.

 

[kingmob6]

There is no fucking way. Dana's ego is way too big. He will never allow PFL to get a marketing push, of UFC's name. Plus, if Francis beats Jones, UFC would take a reputational hit. And that's just one side of the equation. Francis probably does not want to do business with UFC ever again as well.