I mean how many kyokushin katatekas do you see hitting killer left hooks to the body or focusing on just punching for 2 hrs?
If you watched Kyokushin you would know that they do... all the time.
I mean how many kyokushin katatekas do you see hitting killer left hooks to the body or focusing on just punching for 2 hrs?
If you watched Kyokushin you would know that they do... all the time.
Spacetime, they don't focus on punching though. they're main weapons are straight a's punchs and kicks. Boxers get hit harder than a straight punch from a kyokushin karateka.
Yes but they don't focus on punching.They do more body punches than in their sparring than boxers.
Yes but they don't focus on punching.
That's not what I've heard. 70% of their training is devoted to punching.
And 100% of boxers training is devoted to punching, and conditioning and explosive, endurance exercises. So really boxers have harder body punches.
That wasn't the discussion. Boxers have harder punches with gloves on, and the question was not if a boxer would drop a kyokushinkai bare knuckled. The question was if the kyokushin guy would, or if the boxer could take it.
Im not a boxer, but a kyokushin guy. We have had boxers come in and train. We once had a formerly nationally ranked amateur join the dojo (he eventually quit due to repeated foot injuries as he had trouble with footwork without shoes). Based on them, bareknuckle to the body is a very nasty surprise to them, and their bodypunches in return are not all that intimidating to the kyokushin guys (they are not bad punches. just not anything special).That wasn't the discussion. Boxers have harder punches with gloves on, and the question was not if a boxer would drop a kyokushinkai bare knuckled. The question was if the kyokushin guy would, or if the boxer could take it.
Im not a boxer, but a kyokushin guy. We have had boxers come in and train. We once had a formerly nationally ranked amateur join the dojo (he eventually quit due to repeated foot injuries as he had trouble with footwork without shoes). Based on them, bareknuckle to the body is a very nasty surprise to them, and their bodypunches in return are not all that intimidating to the kyokushin guys (they are not bad punches. just not anything special).
I believe it. Did he go down though?
and we had big troubles with finding good distance.
It happened. They didn't go down like a beginner does (first shot that connects), but it was very clear that bareknuckle attrition tactics to the ribs and liver was not what they were used to (especially since their defence tended to leave the body fairly open and guard the head -even when they didnt have to due to rules). The ranked amateur boxer stayed for about two year before being forced to quit. He was tough to fight, but he too went down occasionally.
Ofcourse, when we switched rules, us kyokushin guys might just have well have had a target painted on the forehead. We sure ate a lot more than we dealt out, and we had big troubles with finding good distance.
There are plenty of long range guys. Dont know what you are talking about. There are no PURE long range guys, but that is because there is no such thing as staying in long range unless both fighters want it that way.I was gonna ask about that. Why are there no long range fighters in Kyokushin tournaments using mostly legs? Like side kicking ala american kickboxing? Is the platform too small?
I mean if they got hit with a well timed body shot than yeah they would get knocked down from a kyokushinkai's body shots. I really don't doubt a kyokushinkai can knocked down someone but a boxer who focuses on punching for 2 hrs? He would be able to knock them down with at least 2 body shots.
AsI have said. The power of the boxers punches did not overly impress us kyokushin guys.
Boxers may be the hardest punchers around with wraps and gloves. Without them... no.
And as I also said. They did not hold up very well to our bodypunches. We racked that up to them not really conditioning their bodies against bareknuckle punches. Bareknuckle punches is a whole different animal to gloved punches. It hurts in a VERY different way.Ok you make a fair point.
And as I also said. They did not hold up very well to our bodypunches. We racked that up to them not really conditioning their bodies against bareknuckle punches. Bareknuckle punches is a whole different animal to gloved punches. It hurts in a VERY different way.
But I cannot say that is the real reason, only our impression.
I cannot remember any of them dropping one of us with bodyshots at all.
Well, the ranked amateur did. But not in the beginning, only after he had trained with us a while.
Boxers may be the hardest punchers around with wraps and gloves. Without them... no.
There are plenty of long range guys. Dont know what you are talking about. There are no PURE long range guys, but that is because there is no such thing as staying in long range unless both fighters want it that way.
Well karate teaches you footwork, so i think a lot of boxers would have trouble getting good body shots on a karateka.