Cory Sandhagen is extremely overrated

Harsh, but I have to agree. I would absolutely expect that corey would lose to more than just 3 people... I for sure think he could lose to bautista in a remach, O'malley, Yan, Merab, umar. All losable fights for him.

*could* lose to them

Merab, Umar, and Yan would be the only betting favorites over him. Yan line would be close this time. O'Malley would likely be close to evens. Sandhagen would be a solid favorite over Bautista in a rematch.

Worst case he's the 5th best guy on the planet in the division and goobers itt claiming he's not elite lmao.

How about don't encourage mouth breathers like Mark? Cool?
 
Cory’s been around the top 5 for 5 years now and has taken 6 losses whenever he tries to advance to the top end of the division in contender or title fights. It’s not just right now. It’s been the entire time he got to this level.

He’s a good, fun, exciting fighter, but we’ve known his ceiling for years. Especially now that he’s 33 at BW and has a style heavily reliant on speed and explosiveness that’s going to leave him. There’s nothing wrong with being a fighter like him.

Yes so he's consistently a top 5 fighter. That's an elite fighter given how many guys worldwide compete at 135. Again, not complicated.
 
Harsh, but I have to agree. I would absolutely expect that corey would lose to more than just 3 people... I for sure think he could lose to bautista in a remach, O'malley, Yan, Merab, umar. All losable fights for him.
Cory’s been in a unique position that the UFC wanted him in a title fight for years now as he’s exciting and could pull off something crazy BUT also really wanted to keep him away from much of the higher end of the division that were likely to beat him with their better striking or wrestling.

He’s been at his same top 5 position for years now as they give him lower end guys to keep his position, and then a top guy to let them advance off him for beating a top 5 guy on a win streak. He got this most recent title shot off 1 win streak injury over Fig who wasn’t on his way to a title shot either, solely because Merab is on a like 13 fight win streak over everybody else and they didn’t yet want to do Merab/Yan 2 (who also beat Cory).

A lot of people really don’t want to accept that the UFC uses him as a gatekeeper and that’s how you’re supposed to view him too.
 
Yes so he's consistently a top 5 fighter. That's an elite fighter given how many guys worldwide compete at 135. Again, not complicated.
Since Cory got to contendership there’s been 5 different BW champions. He’s lost to 3 of them directly, never got to the other 2 because he instead lost to others, and wouldn’t have been a favourite over any of them.

It’s absolutely a Cory problem that he consistently couldn’t advance further than the position he already got to 5 years ago. He has a ceiling and this is it. Especially today at 33 years old which is ancient for a BW.

Consistently top 5 is loser talk for consistently couldn’t get further than the top 5 which is all that matters. Others got past him to higher positions. We know his pecking order.
 
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Since Cory got to contendership there’s been 5 different BW champions. He’s lost to 2 of them directly, never got to the other 3 because he instead lost to others, and wouldn’t have been a favourite over any of them.

It’s absolutely a Cory problem that he consistently couldn’t advance further than the position he already got to 5 years ago. He has a ceiling and this is it. Especially today at 33 years old which is ancient for a BW.

Consistently top 5 is loser talk for consistently couldn’t get further than the top 5 which is all that matters. Other got past him to higher positions. We know his pecking order.
He's widely considered to be a top 5 fighter, and....he seems to be a top 5 fighter. So how is he overrated?

Overrated doesn't mean "not the best". If anything Corey Sandhagen is a fighter most people agree on his limits.
 
Cory’s been in a unique position that the UFC wanted him in a title fight for years now as he’s exciting and could pull off something crazy BUT also really wanted to keep him away from much of the higher end of the division that were likely to beat him with their better striking or wrestling.

He’s been at his same top 5 position for years now as they give him lower end guys to keep his position, and then a top guy to let them advance off him for beating a top 5 guy on a win streak. He got this most recent title shot off 1 win streak injury over Fig who wasn’t on his way to a title shot either, solely because Merab is on a like 13 fight win streak over everybody else and they didn’t yet want to do Merab/Yan 2 (who also beat Cory).

A lot of people really don’t want to accept that the UFC uses him as a gatekeeper and that’s how you’re supposed to view him too.

Please name these guys they've "kept him away from" that would beat him with "better striking or wrestling". You are so full of shit. But by all means, please tell us who they were protecting Cory from.

Here's the reality (and you making up fantasies doesn't change it): Sandhagen is elite. He's a shade below Merab and Umar. Yan beat him, but Cory outlanded him and was right in the fight. It's fair to rank Yan above him though. Otherwise, there's literally nobody on earth that anyone could say should absolutely be viewed as a favorite over him. So acting like a CLEAR top 5 guy needs to be viewed as a "gatekeeper" is beyond stupid. Yan didn't win a round vs Merab. Not one, on any scorecard. Is he also a "gatekeeper"? Do we just have Merab and Umar and then it's gatekeepers and the rest?
 
The pro cory posts are being extremely disingenuous by saying "what! overrated? he's #4 and earned that spot." No one is saying he's over ranked though.

The overrated comments and threads are made in response to the fans who say "but next time/but the rematch" every time with him. You see it already after being beaten easily and mostly dominated 49-45 the fans would say "but next time it will be closer" "he will come back strong in the rematch"

And then with Yan which he clearly lost it's "he beats Yan next time" on what basis? Yan clearly won and hasn't declined. Cory is the same fighter, that's how he gets overrated labels. It's not corys fault but fans not accepting his place as a very solid fighter but not this elite beater uncrowned champion to be.

Cory vs omalley would be a close fight but the fans already saying he'd whoop omalley! omalley easy work for cory! they have not fought yet and if we are mma mathing "but he did better than omalley vs merab" oh so who ko'd sterling and who got subbed in round 1 by sterling? you can't mma math this.

speaking of rematches no one mentions a song rematch, just because a tko cut happened people forget it was 2-2 going into the last. it was a close fight against a younger song. How about that rematch?
 
The pro cory posts are being extremely disingenuous by saying "what! overrated? he's #4 and earned that spot." No one is saying he's over ranked though.

The overrated comments and threads are made in response to the fans who say "but next time/but the rematch" every time with him. You see it already after being beaten easily and mostly dominated 49-45 the fans would say "but next time it will be closer" "he will come back strong in the rematch"

And then with Yan which he clearly lost it's "he beats Yan next time" on what basis? Yan clearly won and hasn't declined. Cory is the same fighter, that's how he gets overrated labels. It's not corys fault but fans not accepting his place as a very solid fighter but not this elite beater uncrowned champion to be.

Cory vs omalley would be a close fight but the fans already saying he'd whoop omalley! omalley easy work for cory! they have not fought yet and if we are mma mathing "but he did better than omalley vs merab" oh so who ko'd sterling and who got subbed in round 1 by sterling? you can't mma math this.

speaking of rematches no one mentions a song rematch, just because a tko cut happened people forget it was 2-2 going into the last. it was a close fight against a younger song. How about that rematch?

Wrong. He's not just "ranked" 4th, he's fairly clearly the 4th or 5th best BW on the planet. I haven't seen one person argue he'd "figure it out" and beat Umar or Merab in a rematch. He landed an absolute shit ton on Yan and while I agree Yan deserved the decision (again, despite Cory outlanding him by 20 ss), the fight was obviously very competitive. Yadong faded badly and acting like the fight was just stopped "on a cut" is disingenuous as fuck. Cory was battering him as the fight went on and Song was fading badly and getting mauled. Given that Cory's pace and cardio (which we just saw as he was the lone person not to tire and fade vs Merab) is a huge part of his game, him having close rounds vs a top 10 guy in Song before taking over and mauling him is hardly a surprise.

In short, Cory likely won't ever be champ. He's a shade below that. But if being a perpetual top 5 guy that's game vs everyone is "extremely overrated", those words have pretty much lost all meaning.
 
He cannot beat any of the top guys. He lost to Aljo, he lost to Yan, he lost to Umar

You can argue he win the TJ fight but TJ was coming off a 2 year layoff, dealing with arm injuries, tore his knee in the first round and cory still made it close enough for the judges to give TJ the win

The only guys he beats are guys who have been whooped much worse by the other top contenders.

Vera got completely outclassed against O’Malley and got dropped by Figgy. Cory took him to a boring decision where he never committed to any of his strikes

Font was getting bobbed around by Aldo, Figgy AND vera. Sandhagen couldn’t do anything to him, yes he was injured but that’s no excuse for a win based entirely off control time.

Lost the first two rounds against song and only started to win as song lost more and more blood. Yan throughly outclassed song with a torn groin and meniscus from the very first minute

Plus he in my humble opinion got gifted a decision win against a 5 foot 3 lineker. Argue about the philosophy of when you call a fight a robbery all you want, I didn’t agree with the decision so I’m counting it against him. Rocked and outgrappled by a guy he had 8 inches of height on

Can only knock out an old man like edgar who was on a 3 fight losing streak at 38, and moraes who was on a 2 fight losing streak, and would then lose another 6 fights in a row
No
 
Wrong. He's not just "ranked" 4th, he's fairly clearly the 4th or 5th best BW on the planet. I haven't seen one person argue he'd "figure it out" and beat Umar or Merab in a rematch. He landed an absolute shit ton on Yan and while I agree Yan deserved the decision (again, despite Cory outlanding him by 20 ss), the fight was obviously very competitive. Yadong faded badly and acting like the fight was just stopped "on a cut" is disingenuous as fuck. Cory was battering him as the fight went on and Song was fading badly and getting mauled. Given that Cory's pace and cardio (which we just saw as he was the lone person not to tire and fade vs Merab) is a huge part of his game, him having close rounds vs a top 10 guy in Song before taking over and mauling him is hardly a surprise.

In short, Cory likely won't ever be champ. He's a shade below that. But if being a perpetual top 5 guy that's game vs everyone is "extremely overrated", those words have pretty much lost all meaning.

I guess it's going to be what you've seen vs what i've seen thing. There's not much I can say because I've seen every single time post cory fight many say he would bring it in the rematch/he has it next time due to him pretty much not giving up and keeping going which he deserves respect for of course. He's game, and comes to fight to the end and doesn't give up.

In regards to Song, I wasn't discrediting Cory's win at all. That wasn't my point, my point was people who didn't watch or forgot, and just sees TKO (which was via cut that cory caused, I was just clearing up that it was TKO via cut) and forgets Song was very much in the fight and it was a close 2-2 fight with cory very likely on the way to a win due to Song getting beaten and fading. Again, I don't get why these fans are discussing rematches with those who dominated cory and not look at this rematch. A lot has changed for song in the 4 years it'd be if they had a rematch next year. It would be an interesting one, but the cory fans I see try and push for recent rematches that he got beat clearly. That's another way the overrated label creeps up with fans pushing for weird rematches and saying he'd do better this time (he wouldn't) and not pushing for makes sense rematches like Song.

I don't think we disagree all too much we both agree he won't be champ, we know his place, we also agree he's very good and game. I am just explaining how he can be labeled as such when people act like next time will be the time all the time when he did get dominated, and I guess we disagree due to what you haven't seen vs what I have seen.

I also don't think he's "extremely overrated" either.
 
Worst case he's the 5th best guy on the planet in the division and goobers itt claiming he's not elite lmao.
that's a stretch... I just think he's one level below champ material. But "not elite" sounds far. He's been top 5 for quite a while.
 
I guess it's going to be what you've seen vs what i've seen thing. There's not much I can say because I've seen every single time post cory fight many say he would bring it in the rematch/he has it next time due to him pretty much not giving up and keeping going which he deserves respect for of course. He's game, and comes to fight to the end and doesn't give up.

In regards to Song, I wasn't discrediting Cory's win at all. That wasn't my point, my point was people who didn't watch or forgot, and just sees TKO (which was via cut that cory caused, I was just clearing up that it was TKO via cut) and forgets Song was very much in the fight and it was a close 2-2 fight with cory very likely on the way to a win due to Song getting beaten and fading. Again, I don't get why these fans are discussing rematches with those who dominated cory and not look at this rematch. A lot has changed for song in the 4 years it'd be if they had a rematch next year. It would be an interesting one, but the cory fans I see try and push for recent rematches that he got beat clearly. That's another way the overrated label creeps up with fans pushing for weird rematches and saying he'd do better this time (he wouldn't) and not pushing for makes sense rematches like Song.

I don't think we disagree all too much we both agree he won't be champ, we know his place, we also agree he's very good and game. I am just explaining how he can be labeled as such when people act like next time will be the time all the time when he did get dominated, and I guess we disagree due to what you haven't seen vs what I have seen.

I also don't think he's "extremely overrated" either.

I guess that's fair except I just don't see these people you're talking about who insist that Cory is gonna take it Umar and now Merab in a rematch. I'm about as big a fan of Cory as you'll find, and I think most of his fans are similar to me. They know he's good. Damn good. And exciting. But likely not a guy who will ever quote get all the way to the top of the mountain.

I'd very much favor Cory to do the same thing to Song again, because while Song maybe has improved a bit--he still cant get past the advantages Cory has. Cory is durable as hell, largely because he has elite cardio. Cory is the ONLY guy we've seen who looked just as fresh as Merab at the end of 5 rounds despite being hurt in rd 2 and having to get up 20 times and deal with Merab's relentless grappling. Song (still) likely just wouldn't be able to keep up with the pace. That said, it's not a horrible rematch to make. Or Cory could beat Bautista again after Umar smokes him. The only other guy would maybe be Zahabi assuming he beats Chito since that's a new matchup. Cory likely trashes him too though.

Of course the fight that's the one that needs to be made is Cory/Suga. That seems like such a no-brainer now.
 
Since Cory got to contendership there’s been 5 different BW champions. He’s lost to 2 of them directly, never got to the other 3 because he instead lost to others, and wouldn’t have been a favourite over any of them.

It’s absolutely a Cory problem that he consistently couldn’t advance further than the position he already got to 5 years ago. He has a ceiling and this is it. Especially today at 33 years old which is ancient for a BW.

Consistently top 5 is loser talk for consistently couldn’t get further than the top 5 which is all that matters. Other got past him to higher positions. We know his pecking order.

"All that matters". To who? Who are you little Marky that you think you'd get to dictate that, lmao. How absolutely laughable that you'd sit behind a keyboard and type that someone being among the 5 best in the world doesn't matter.
 
You took my comment out of context. I was saying if getting a 49-45 decision loss is "competitive" then a 49-46 and a 48-47 must be as competitive then! I don't care for omalley at all either and the fight was of course not competitive but he had "moments" but every fight has "moments" but cory fans take these moments and make it sound like it was way closer or better than it was.
Na. Its not that simple

You have to look at how the individual rounds went
 
Rankings aren't everything of course, but take a look at them right now and you probably literally cannot find another top 10 guy ranked more accurately than Cory at 4th.

He's lost to the champ and the #2, and 3 ranked guys. He's beaten the current #5,6,7, and 8 ranked guys (finishing 3 of those 4).

Cory vs O'Malley is the only fight that makes sense. O'Malley ranked #1 is only because he had the belt, almost everyone agrees Umar is better.
 
Rankings aren't everything of course, but take a look at them right now and you probably literally cannot find another top 10 guy ranked more accurately than Cory at 4th.

He's lost to the champ and the #2, and 3 ranked guys. He's beaten the current #5,6,7, and 8 ranked guys (finishing 3 of those 4).

Cory vs O'Malley is the only fight that makes sense. O'Malley ranked #1 is only because he had the belt, almost everyone agrees Umar is better.
He's one of the most accurately rated fighters, so naturally there is a thread saying he is incredibly overrated.
 
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