Law Coronavirus the US GOV'T Response analysis Thread

[PolishHeadlock2]

Chris Murphy was right on February 5th and he's right now.

Murphy and Brian Schatz have quickly become my favorite Senators

 

[AnGrYcRoW]

Most liberals don't want Biden. It's pretty obvious the DNC would rather have Biden lose to Trump than have Bernie as the nomination.

This appears to be true .

 

[PolishHeadlock2]

 

[chardog]

Most liberals don't want Biden. It's pretty obvious the DNC would rather have Biden lose to Trump than have Bernie as the nomination.

now they're basically begging from Cuomo to be president, because he's the man of the hour.... cant get eyes on Biden as long as the virus is front and center.

Cuomo wants no part of the election, zero, and it was hilarious when his brother was egging him on.

 

[chardog]

it's way too late for that, but on another note, florida's infection rate seems to be peaking...... or their testing is being overwhelmed, and they cant keep up...........

 

[A Lurker]

*there

This genuinely made me laugh. Well done. Your a funny guy Homer.

 

[ookii]

At its pace, Florida would probably surpass California in the number of cases but won't be as bad as Michigan. I have no idea how those death rates will go

 

[bobgeese]

Okay mate, now we are having a conversation.

Sensible countries should have been more ready, sorry but its true. This isn't even a very scary virus; imagine this fucker with lets say 8% mortality (technically possible); what state would we be in then.

You are now talking about priorities, which is really interesting; and worthy of a different thread. I'm always looking to find the positive in things; maybe this black swan event; affords us the opportunity to revaluate our priorities; as individuals, as communities, as countries and finally as the human race.

Also to note; the infrastructure you are referring to is liable to other black swan events (solar flares, etc). |Our economies are fucked, hard from a 1% death rate virus (the 10 - 20% hospitalisation is the kicker, I agree), then our economies aren't fit for purpose and need to change; as do our view on our priorities.

Yup, flying around on a rock through the universe struggling for limited resources is a bitch...

A couple solutions

Nuclear power, dispose of waste in space (I'd like to think we can achieve this in the nearish future safely using a "space elevator" concept with magnet based safety backups)

Battery investment to make green energy realistic

Quantum computing investment to revolutionize medicine and logistics among other fields)

Mass feeding programs like india implements. Take care of poor, schools, and homeless/needy in one go.

 

[A Lurker]

Yup, flying around on a rock through the universe struggling for limited resources is a bitch...

A couple solutions

Nuclear power, dispose of waste in space (I'd like to think we can achieve this in the nearish future safely using a "space elevator" concept with magnet based safety backups)

Battery investment to make green energy realistic

Quantum computing investment to revolutionize medicine and logistics among other fields)

Mass feeding programs like india implements. Take care of poor, schools, and homeless/needy in one go.

A+ Post

 

[HomeCheese]

I didnt see anything about that, her claim is that her third party manager handles everything without her input. You need to know the context of this woman and her family, she's already in the line of work subject to this type of scrutiny, BEFORE she was in the senate, so she had to insulate herself between these transactions. She did her due diligence and an ultra rich woman, these big numbers are par the course.

she's married to the chairman of the NYSE ffs, there's no way they can openly trade without scrutiny for many years now. This is a complete witch hunt. There are members of congress that made their own trades FFS, those members are the ones that flew under the radar. People are just jelly that Kelly is rich.

I'm familiar with the folks in california, because I live here, they've been doing it directly, and a blind eye is turned. Harping on Kelly for playing it the right way, is baloney.

Everyone with that much money has a full service broker. Unless the money is in a blind trust she still has control. Why would you try to spin her out of trouble? It's very clear the government lied to the people and said there was nothing to worry about.

 

[Madmick]

Dr. John Ioannidis
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Ioannidis
https://profiles.stanford.edu/john-ioannidis

Since you're posting this in multiple threads, I suppose I should post my response to the vid explaining what it means in more concrete terms directed at chardog:

This is just the same "unknown denominator" argument you previously forwarded that many people may already be asymptomatic or only suffer mild symptoms. He says the death rate might be lower than 0.9% produced by a German health team (mirroring Fauci's early conjecture of ~1.0%), but nowhere does he suggest it will be as low as 0.1%.

This opinion isn't any less terrifying. That's because it doesn't change the current number of dead. At one point, for Italy, he says, "it may already be afflicting 20%, even 30% of the population, we don't know for sure, this is just speculation". That's quite the speculation: meaning the total number of cases would be in the ballpark of 250x what is currently known. It would bring the death rate down, but it doesn't do anything to move the number of deaths over there already. It suggests that the virus is already past the tipping point, that the virus's spread will be nearly consummate, and ultimately an overwhelmingly high infection rate will be realized: perhaps 90% or more (also speculation). That would mean Italy is doomed to see somewhere between 30K-40K deaths. That's a country of 60m people who is well ahead of us on the curve. We're a country of 340m. Even accounting for our less geriatric population that still renders Fauci's estimates realistic. A higher infection total doesn't sidestep it. You're just moving the R-naught. If it's that high this is the most infectious pandemic disease of all time.

I also don't believe that theoretical speculation for Italy realistic at all. For example, as of several days ago, over 30% of American counties still hadn't had a single case-- much less a death. A strong majority have had fewer than a dozen. These tend to be less populated areas, but that doesn't suggest the virus has reached those places at all. We also aren't seeing a once-in-a-lifetime surge of anecdotal reports of these mild symptoms, and people are quite sensitive to that, now. Pandemics provoke the hypochondriac in human nature.

The main point of the video is to emphasize how unreliable data might be at this stage. Sure, okay, but the most reliable data we have so far is deaths, and the death trajectory. It's not good, and it doesn't suggest a slowing disease, or any analogy of this disease to SARS or previous epidemics. Aptly, I believe that justifies his acnkowledgement near the beginning of the video that this is a "once-in-a-century pandemic."

To further illustrate my point; Luba just posted this in a Berry thread:
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/laninf/article/PIIS1473-3099(20)30243-7/fulltext

The Lancet's revised estimates put the death rate at 0.66%. This is consistent with the German death rate who apparently have been using the most accurate testing kits, and deployed them more aggressively than other first world nations hit hard (except for a few like South Korea and Australia).

If the USA continues to follow in Italy's footsteps, assuming Ioannidis's speculation of the ceiling infection rate when he posted that video last week was true, as much as 30%, and that the USA stops it from getting no worse than that, do you know what the math works out to?

About 650K dead.

 

[Revolver]

It didn't distract him from golfing or throwing campaign rallies.

Also his impeachment ended on February 5th.

There's literally a trump tweet for everything lol

 

[Falsedawn]

There's literally a trump tweet for everything lol

I would have also went with



Or

 

[Revolver]

I would have also went with



Or

Wish Obama was petty and an attention whore like Trump and send some tweets like that out now.

 

[genecop]

https://allnurses.com/what-like-hospital-right-now-t717045/?page=10

 

[andnowweknow]

THANK GOD we're getting a briefing on the war on drugs and the international drug trade at a Corona virus daily update with the president!!! Definitely at the forefront of the minds of Americans...

"Let's combat corona, but let's be careful not to forget Mexicans bring drugs into our country"

 

[bobgeese]

 

[Parmenides]

hmm, not sure about that. Back in ‘04 i was till mostly into mma and training the ufc and didn’t really bother with politics yet. I don’t recall atleast.

Hi..you have an older join date than me..im jealous

 

[Parmenides]

There's literally a trump tweet for everything lol

Edit: thats 2014 lol

 

[Bloody Pulp]

Hi..you have an older join date than me..im jealous