Law Coronavirus the US GOV'T Response analysis Thread

[A Lurker]

Look at my post history. Then say sorry.

I've unfortunately read enough of your posts and I'm sorry you continue to post as much as you do.

As I stated, you can admit the Trump administration hasn't handled this very well, without "well the left fucked up too" nonsense. Its obvious what you are trying to do; its dishonest and makes you look silly.

 

[HereticBD]

I've unfortunately read enough of your posts and I'm sorry you continue to post as much as you do.

As I stated, you can admit the Trump administration hasn't handled this very well, without "well the left fucked up too" nonsense.

What's "nonsense" about it, when you had leaders on the left telling people to go out and party and kiss a Chinese person, at a time when Trump was shutting down travel because of the virus?

"Can you just admit it's all Trump's fault, without putting any responsibly whatsoever on any Democrat who were giving terrible advice to the cities they run?"

LOL, fuck me running...

 

[Hadron90]

Take Trump out of it for a second. When leadership fails at something, do you normally think that the leader and his team should be held accountable for it? Would it seem at all ok to you for someone at the helm of a disaster to deny ANY culpability in said failure?

Blaming the people who ARE NOT in charge of a situation is bananas. Of course it is a long term failure of preparation as well. But it's not the house Democrats fault the people in charge of the response (Trump administration) fucked this up.

Really depends on the situation. For example, I work in a regulatory position at a pharma company. If my manager asks me for regulatory advice, and I give her bad advice, or even worse, I conspire at to deliberately mislead her, and she acts on that, I am far more to blame than she is. WHO should be the ones we march to the chopping block over this.

 

[Hadron90]

Friends on my facebook are now criticizing Trump for invoking the production act on 3M. Some people really do just oppose every single thing he does.

 

[Hadron90]

Your logic is that "Trump fucked up, but the left would have fucked up too if they were in charge...thus Trump isn't accountable"

How is that bad logic? If everyone would make the exact same mistake if they were in the situation, then its not really something to blame someone for. Obviously the flaw in the system lays elsewhere. Like a week before New York shut down, AOC was telling people to go out and eat in Chinese resturants. AOC and Trump are as opposite as you get, but both of them were basically giving the same advice (carry on like normal, but maybe wash your hands more). No one realized the seriousness of the situation because WHO never communicated the seriousness of the situation. They were too busy trying to save the Chinese markets.

 

[Hadron90]

lol...the Democrats have had literally no say in how this corona virus handling has been dealt with outside the stimulus. The executive branch is 99% of the direction aspect of the handling of this outside of the stimulus package.

Next tell me about how impeachment hearings caused this...that's McConnell's new excuse for Trump's incompetence.

Governors issue shelter-in-place orders, and declare states of emergencies. Not Trump. If Cuomo wanted a shelter-in-place order and a state of emergency in January, all he had to do was pick up a phone. He also has a state health department and oversees hospitals. No one was telling him he couldn't order masks and ventilators. Cuomo didn't order the masks for the same reason Italy was telling people to hug the Chinese, and the same reason Trump was saying this would blow over...the international """experts""" at WHO were telling the world all we had to do was wash our hands and buy Chinese products, and everything would be fine.

 

[A Lurker]

Sooo....getting people financial relief isn't part of the response now? Or is it just anything the Dems said or did leading up to, and during the outbreak, that is not related to the response at all? Just Orange Man, right?

Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother's eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye?
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Any financial aid package would have to go through the machinations of government; which includes negotiation; and the response bill has now been passed. So how has this affected the response to the virus? It hasn't, its desperate grasping at straws.

As previously stated, I cannot vote for Trump, as like yourself, I am not a US citizen. However, I liked his Campaign and think the Russia nonsense was nonsense. To view his response to the crisis as anything other than a colossal fuck up is folly; and to try to share blame on any level with those not in the same positions of power; is repugnant

 

[A Lurker]

Bull shit and you’re a bitch. TDS retards aren’t getting off the hook on this either. Now go back to lurking and fuck your self while you’re at it.

Well as long as there's no hard feelings.

 

[MichiganMMA1978]

Even if I except the premise, which I fucking don't, because I don't listen to right wing talk radio; please detail how this affected the response to this virus.

*Accept*
Should I detail how your poor use of grammer makes you sound dumb?
I also don't listen to "right wing talk radio"... But I still try to keep myself informed about who's pushing what on us...
The fact that you give her a free pass because of the D by her name says more about you than anything. Just admit it bro, they are all to blame for mishandling this situation.... You can do it!!!

 

[HereticBD]

Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother's eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye?​

Ah' yes, the immediate downplaying of any and all criticisms against Democrats. LOL.

Then you follow that whopper up by claiming any and all politicians/branches of government that control states and cities aren't responsible for anything related to the response.

But you don't have TDS, and are a totally objective observer...yeah, nobody is buying it.​

 

[A Lurker]

Friends on my facebook are now criticizing Trump for invoking the production act on 3M. Some people really do just oppose every single thing he does.

Well it was the right thing for him to do, for which he should be commended.

and you are right, many on the left oppose anything he does, which is the wrong thing to do.

 

[andnowweknow]

So no accountability for those that said cutting off travel is racist? Or telling people to hug Chinese people and go to Chinese restaurants to prove they aren't racist etc...? Free pass for them? Personally I say next election, we purge everyone that called it a hoax, called the measures racist etc. Basically, if you dropped the ball, you're at fault and unemployed. Along with everyone that had part in shoving their special interests into the relief bill. Fuck em all, both sides.

This doesn't address holding THOSE IN CHARGE accountable. Blaming people who ARE NOT IN CHARGE is ridiculous. Blaming on "people" who called Trump a racist is just the "both sides" bullshit every Trump fanatic uses to justify continued support of his utter incompetence.

 

[PainIsLIfe]

Russian coronavirus aid delivery to US prompts confusion and criticism

According to State Department spokesperson Morgan Ortagus, the US purchased the supplies, which included ventilators and personal protection equipment.

"We appreciate Russia selling these items to us below market value," they said.

The decision to buy supplies from one of the US' traditional adversaries -- and the lack of transparency around that choice -- was met with confusion by a number of former officials.

"Maybe this is a case of the bureaucracy being worried and having to fill in behind a decision Trump made on his own, but not wanting to get too far into the details to avoid backlash," said one of the former officials.

The other official struggled to find any sort of justification for the Trump administration allowing Russia to be a trusted source for the goods, which are in short supply in the United States.

Former diplomat Brett McGurk described the delivery, which was touted by Moscow as a humanitarian gesture, as a "propaganda bonanza."

The Russians will fly in as many planes as possible to create the perception that we are reliant on Russia," a third former official said. "If we keep accepting it, this makes us look weak and them look strong."

https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/02/politics/russia-medical-supplies-us-propaganda/index.html

Justification for using Russia? How about saving lives... or are political points now more important than American lives?

I don't care if Russia looks strong by saving Americans. As long as the equipment works I'd buy it from Iran or China

 

[PolishHeadlock2]

Awesome

 

[andnowweknow]

Ah' yes, the immediate downplaying of any and all criticisms against Democrats. LOL.

Then you follow that whopper up by claiming any and all politicians/branches of government that control states and cities aren't responsible for anything related to the response.

But you don't have TDS, and are a totally objective observer...yeah, nobody is buying it.​

Trump takes zero responsibility for the obvious failures of his government. How's that sit with you?

"Something unrelated" incoming.

The problem is equating blame of Trump with that of "the libs"...that's retarded.

 

[A Lurker]

*Accept*
Should I detail how your poor use of grammer makes you sound dumb?
I also don't listen to "right wing talk radio"... But I still try to keep myself informed about who's pushing what on us...
The fact that you give her a free pass because of the D by her name says more about you than anything. Just admit it bro, they are all to blame for mishandling this situation.... You can do it!!!

Maybe I haven't made myself clear.

I'm not saying there isn't blame to go round; I don't give a fuck what they have next to their name, they should all resign if they fuck this up.

I am saying do not excuse Trump's poor performance by saying well the Dems have done some stuff too; of which, their poor performances do not rise to anywhere near the same level of severity. So many people are going to die unnecessarily, that is purely where I am coming from (not dislike of Trump, who I confess I quite like some of the time and think is quite funny) .

 

[Teppodama]

Orange Man Bad
Election Year
TDS

 

[MichiganMMA1978]

This doesn't address holding THOSE IN CHARGE accountable. Blaming people who ARE NOT IN CHARGE is ridiculous. Blaming on "people" who called Trump a racist is just the "both sides" bullshit every Trump fanatic uses to justify continued support of his utter incompetence.

If you look through my posts in this thread, you'll see I've called for accountability on both sides. I'm not placing blame on 1 person, this is way bigger than just Trump. This is a failure by damn near every politician. Pres, house Senate and governors... Accountability for all. And prison for the ones that convinced people there is no threat and to disregard the current guidelines. Once again, I say fuck them all.... Can I be more clear than that, or do you just want to continue the R vs D shit? Because that's not how I see this, and refuse to partake in pointless childlike arguments about it.

 

[Raptac]

Well mentally ill is their motto.

 

[MichiganMMA1978]

Maybe I haven't made myself clear.

I'm not saying there isn't blame to go round; I don't give a fuck what they have next to their name, they should all resign if they fuck this up.

I am saying do not excuse Trump's poor performance by saying well the Dems have done some stuff too; of which, their poor performances do not rise to anywhere the same level. So many people are going to die unnecessarily, that is purely where I am coming from (not dislike of Trump, who I confess I quite like some of the time and think is quite funny) .

Read my reply above^^^