Law Coronavirus the US GOV'T Response analysis Thread

[hillelslovak87]

other auto makers are as well, GM was FORCED to make it because they were dragging their feet.

Nope!

Trump has used the Defense Production Act on GM alone, which is a laughable step. On top of that, GM was already moving to do precisely what he ordered BEFORE he ordered it.

He's compelled nobody else, and I suspect it's because some of his buddies wouldn't make as much money, not being able to price gouge and bribe his ass for sweetheart deals during a pandemic.

He's still an inept buffoon, and people are dying because of his incompetence.

 

[AnGrYcRoW]

As horrible of a human being as Cuomo is, I hope he makes a full recovery and nobody around him that may be compromised catches the virus either.

What makes him a horrible human being out of idle curiosity ?

 

[My Spot]

Nope!

Trump has used the Defense Production Act on GM alone, which is a laughable step. On top of that, GM was already moving to do precisely what he ordered BEFORE he ordered it.

He's compelled nobody else, and I suspect it's because some of his buddies wouldn't make as much money, not being able to price gouge and bribe his ass for sweetheart deals during a pandemic.

He's still an inept buffoon, and people are dying because of his incompetence.

Wrong.

 

[hillelslovak87]

Wrong.

Then I await your list showing all the companies he's compelled to produce needed supplies, asides from GM.

 

[My Spot]

What makes him a horrible human being out of idle curiosity ?

"Making" hand sanitizer via prison labor?

 

[My Spot]

Then I await your list showing all the companies he's compelled to produce needed supplies, asides from GM.

You first.

 

[hillelslovak87]

You first.

Yeah, that's not how this works. It's upon the person who makes a positive claim to support their position, not on me to compile a list of companies he hasn't compelled, seeing as he's compelled precisely 1 at this point in time.

 

[My Spot]

Yeah, that's not how this works. It's upon the person who makes a positive claim to support their position, not on me to compile a list of companies he hasn't compelled, seeing as he's compelled precisely 1 at this point in time.

That's exactly what you just did though.

 

[Mark Hunts FIST]

The unjustifiable actions were performed by Trump through inaction for months, coupled with specific organizational dismantlings in previous years that handicapped our preparedness.

If he was the capable leader of the world's preeminent world power, we could've matched the South Koreans in our per capita testing at the same time they did, and we wouldn't have had to shutter the economy in the first place.

Incompetence has consequences.

I am first one to say that I do not think we handle this well, collectively..
However... I read was the CDC created their own test (as they always do in this situation)
the test they created was faulty and it put us behind two weeks... Does that ultimately lay at Trump feet? sure.
It was the US govt existing policy on testing protocol (our own test vs WHO) that fucked us, not a lack of preperation.

 

[hillelslovak87]

I am first one to say that I do not think we handle this well, collectively..
However... I read was the CDC created their own test (as they always do in this situation)
the test they created was faulty and it put us behind two weeks... Does that ultimately lay at Trump feet? sure.
It was the US govt existing policy on testing protocol (our own test vs WHO) that fucked us, not a lack of preperation.

They didn't need to test new types of kits, like they did. They could have moved to secure WHO standard tests the first week of February, as the South Koreans did.

Trump is being told, to his face, by democratic and republican governors, that they need supplies, and a perhaps a single day away from running out, only for him to babble, lie about us testing more than any nation, and saying he hasn't heard anything about testing kits in weeks. WEEKS.

 

[ineverpost]

Trump signing off tonight "It's an honor to be here tonight"

WTF

 

[PEB]

Aircraft carrier USS Theodore Roosevelt as recent as like 4 days ago had 3 cases now up to 70 cases it's possible could end up looking at 100's of cases.

 

[hillelslovak87]

That's exactly what you just did though.

I didn't make a positive claim.

Do you have a position, or something to show me how I'm wrong? Do you have, even off the top of your head, names of other companies Trump has compelled using the Defense Production Act?

 

[AnGrYcRoW]

Trump signing off tonight "It's an honor to be here tonight"

WTF

Well the ratings are great so ya , just go with it lol

 

[Mark Hunts FIST]

They didn't need to test new types of kits, like they did. They could have moved to secure WHO standard tests the first week of February, as the South Koreans did.

But that was not the existing process of the United States government. Should we change it? Sure seems like it.

Trump is being told, to his face, by democratic and republican governors, that they need supplies, and a perhaps a single day away from running out, only for him to babble, lie about us testing more than any nation, and saying he hasn't heard anything about testing kits in weeks. WEEKS.

Yes we need supplies.... what is your solution to manufacturing more supplies?

 

[curryjunkie]

They're doing it for the audience. It got a positive viewer response the 1st time so they're making it a regular thing. Cuomo's favorability is high because he's coming across as approachable and this just bolsters that image.

In a more cynical time it would be a great example of media and a politician working together to polish the image of a politician.

whats your take on the administrations response to this pandemic? im curious to know

 

[Islam Imamate]

As horrible of a human being as Cuomo is, I hope he makes a full recovery and nobody around him that may be compromised catches the virus either.

How is he a horrible human being?

 

[hillelslovak87]

But that was not the existing process of the United States government. Should we change it? Sure seems like it.



Yes we need supplies.... what is your solution to manufacturing more supplies?

The solution was being prepared to begin with. That's why we are where we are. He could've invoked the Defense Production Act nearly 2 months ago when the experts were telling him we are dangerously unprepared.

Another step would be international cooperation with nations that have handled the situation better, but Trump takes the position of fuck the world with most everything he does, and that's why he removed the CDC's point man in China, and has attempted no outreach to Chinese doctors from outside Wuhan who have nothing to do with their expertise at this point, amongst other idiotic steps.

 

[panamaican]

whats your take on the administrations response to this pandemic? im curious to know

I think Trump dropped the ball up front and we're playing catch up. Early in the month and the back end of February his personal egotism refused to let him separate the importance of managing the crisis from his interpretation of his personal brand. He was unwilling to separate his political opinions from the national needs.

I'm trying not be too judgmental but I was watching him today say that some people didn't take this seriously and I could only shake my head in disbelief because he was one of the people not taking it seriously.

More importantly, I think his messaging has politicized this issue and now we have a legitimate political divide on the seriousness of a pandemic. Right wingers and die-hard Trump supporters are openly taking the position that we shouldn't be responding to this as a real threat specifically because Trump telegraphed the message that it was a media hoax or some sort of political stunt. Then after he poisoned the well, now he has to extend that social distancing timeframe while pretending that he wasn't telling his political base that we'd be back to work in a fortnight. They bought into his first message and won't come around to the new one as easily.

You combine all of that stuff and you have a shitshow in terms of outbreak management. My dad's an MD with a research background, my mother-in-law is a MIT trained microbiologist with years of experience in infectious disease research. Both of them think it was poorly done but for reasons that are more complete than my own.

This would also be a world power disaster, except China can't help itself from also being fuckups. Trump dropped the world leadership role big time and someone should have stepped up and ran with it. China tries but they're shpping out defective things only makes them look worse. Putin seems to be sitting silently by the way side, which surprises me. So, we remain the world leader despite ourselves, not because of anything proactive.

Thankfully the American economic and government apparatus cannot be truly derailed, even by the President's incompetence.

 

[curryjunkie]

I think Trump dropped the ball up front and we're playing catch up. Early in the month and the back end of February his personal egotism refused to let him separate the importance of managing the crisis from his interpretation of his personal brand. He was unwilling to separate his political opinions from the national needs.

I'm trying not be too judgmental but I was watching him today say that some people didn't take this seriously and I could only shake my head in disbelief because he was one of the people not taking it seriously.

More importantly, I think his messaging has politicized this issue and now we have a legitimate political divide on the seriousness of a pandemic. Right wingers and die-hard Trump supporters are openly taking the position that we shouldn't be responding to this as a real threat specifically because Trump telegraphed the message that it was a media hoax or some sort of political stunt. Then after he poisoned the well, now he has to extend that social distancing timeframe while pretending that he wasn't telling his political we'd be back to work in a fortnight. They bought into his first message and won't come around to the new one as easily.

You combine all of that stuff and you have a shitshow in terms of outbreak management. My dad's an MD with a research background, my mother-in-law is a MIT trained microbiologist with years of experience in infectious disease research. Both of them think it was poorly done but for reasons that are more complete than my own.

This would also be a world power disaster, except China can't help itself from also being fuckups. Trump dropped the world leadership role big time and someone should have stepped up and ran with it. China tries but they're shpping out defective things only makes them look worse. Putin seems to be sitting silently by the way side, which surprises me. So, we remain the world leader despite ourselves, not because of anything proactive.

Thankfully the American economic and government apparatus cannot be truly derailed, even by the President's incompetence.

pretty much my thoughts, although if it truly takes off in the states, and the death toll is high, those states overlooked by trump could end up deciding a future election. i was reading an article in foreign policy magazine saying it could have profound geopolitical affects in the future, but agree that china has fucked the response with their faulty peace offerings. putin will have his own crisis to manage, but hes not burdened by anything so quaint as wanting the best for his citizens, interesting times ahead. edit, if trump manages not to make it any worse than it already looks like its going to be, directing peoples ire at china could deflect from his own shortcomings.