International Coronavirus Breaking News, v10: U.K Health Minister has become the first British MP to test positive

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I found out the top bosses in my company are one of the "just a flu" bros. The motherfucker had the audacity to suggest that people shouldn't be calling in sick unless they're crippled.

FYI, my company is a major contractor at the airport, and the government representative also share the same sentiment in Vancouver.
 
Doctor friend has been on hold with the CDC for 30 mins. Patient with obvious signs, recent travel to Seattle

This has been the most bullshit response by our government you could ever draw up.
Just asking but weren’t you a just a flu brah a few versions ago or do I have you confused with another poster..
 
I found out the top bosses in my company are one of the "just a flu" bros. The motherfucker had the audacity to suggest that people shouldn't be calling in sick unless they're crippled.

FYI, my company is a major contractor at the airport, and the government representative also share the same sentiment in Vancouver.

Thats a shitty boss.

Yeah there are always people like that.
 
New regulations at work:

1) Cannot have meetings with outsiders not working on site (irrespective of whether they are from our company)
2) Cannot travel internationally or overnight without senior management approval
3) Canteen is working in shifts to minimize physical contact (e.g. people from my building can only eat at 12.30 to 1), no salt&pepper on the tables
 
China still has the highest number of infected people at 80,859; South Korea has 7,134 according to the latest sitrep from the WHO:

https://www.who.int/docs/default-so...0308-sitrep-48-covid-19.pdf?sfvrsn=16f7ccef_4

The X-factor is Iran. No one knows how many infected people they have. And with their government in full blown panic and suppression mode, we may never know what the situation over there is.
South Korea has tested 200,000 people, and I feel their data is likely the best we have.

Iran is in panic mode, because their higher ups have contracted and died?

I looked at nationwide data for chest related illnesses, I'm not seeing a spike? I'm only guessing there *should* be an uptick in the USA. Anyone here work for a hospital and see an uptick for breathing issues? I figure there are enough sherdoggers to give us real world updates.

I'm not suggesting that we ignore quarantine protocols, I'm just saying the data coming out isnt as alarming as once thought, and being a data/software guy, I cant ignore the facts. I was prepping for flu season volume as early as october 2019, and 2020 has been a good bit lower in volume that I'm a bit concerned about job security <45>
 
Sure it has been mentioned in here, but Germany now has its first two Corona deaths.
 
China still has the highest number of infected people at 80,859; South Korea has 7,134 according to the latest sitrep from the WHO:

https://www.who.int/docs/default-so...0308-sitrep-48-covid-19.pdf?sfvrsn=16f7ccef_4

The X-factor is Iran. No one knows how many infected people they have. And with their government in full blown panic and suppression mode, we may never know what the situation over there is.
and then you have silence out of North Korea. It will take a decade to find out what happened there.
 
Sure it has been mentioned in here, but Germany now has its first two Corona deaths.
One a woman (89 years old) and the other a man (47), if I heard that correctly.
I think the man might be the one who "kickstarted" corona in NRW.Edit: maybe not the one
 
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South Korea has tested 200,000 people, and I feel their data is likely the best we have.

Iran is in panic mode, because their higher ups have contracted and died?

I looked at nationwide data for chest related illnesses, I'm not seeing a spike? I'm only guessing there *should* be an uptick in the USA. Anyone here work for a hospital and see an uptick for breathing issues? I figure there are enough sherdoggers to give us real world updates.

I'm not suggesting that we ignore quarantine protocols, I'm just saying the data coming out isnt as alarming as once thought, and being a data/software guy, I cant ignore the facts. I was prepping for flu season volume as early as october 2019, and 2020 has been a good bit lower in volume that I'm a bit concerned about job security <45>

I've actually been seeing that this is attacking the heart just as bad as the lungs so I am wondering if looking at both combined is the best way to see an uptick.
 
The surprising number of Iranian government officials succumbing to COVID-19 offers a hint that the disease is far more widespread than the official statistics indicate.

You are standing before a huge barrel of apples. You can’t see the apples, but you can reach in and pick them out. Most are delicious, but a very small number of them are rotten—just about one in 12,000, your friend assures you. You reach in blindly and miraculously pick out a rotten apple. You reach in again and withdraw a whole heaping bushel of apples, maybe 50 in all. Most are good, but when you look closely you see them: one, two, three, four more rotten apples. One rotten apple is an amazing coincidence. Five means your barrel has lots of rotting apples in it and your friend was lying to you.

As of yesterday, according to Johns Hopkins University’s Coronavirus Resource Center, Iran has reported 6,566 COVID-19 cases, or about one in every 12,000 people in its population. The first case appeared on February 19. Right now Iran is third behind China (80,695) and South Korea (7,314), and just ahead of Italy (5,883). But the official Iranian number is almost certainly an undercount, probably due to the Iranian government’s attempt to hide a desperate situation for which it is partially responsible. When the final history of the coronavirus epidemic of 2020 is written, it may go something like this: The disease started in China, but it became finally and irrevocably uncontained in Iran. Knowing that the Iranian number is much higher than currently disclosed tells the rest of the world that the epidemic is even further along than official statistics indicate.

The first sign of dishonesty came on February 28, when Masoumeh Ebtekar, one of the country’s vice presidents, announced that she had the virus. Ebtekar is one of the most famous politicians in the country, well known even in the West for her role as a particularly sadistic member of the group that held U.S. diplomats hostage in 1979 in Tehran. Of course, being a notorious sociopath confers no immunity against COVID-19. But here is where the rotting apples come in.

If COVID-19 is so rare—fewer than 400 cases had been reported in Iran by the day she announced her diagnosis—what are the chances that one of the afflicted would be a famous politician? Soon we learned of three other senior officials who not only contracted the virus but were killed by it: Mohammad Mirmohammadi, a member of a senior advisory council to Iran’s supreme leader, and Hossein Sheikholeslam and Hadi Khosrowshahi, both former high-level diplomats. Mohammad Sadr, another member of the council, announced his infection last week, as did Ebtekar’s fellow cabinet member Reza Rahmani. Recently, the speaker of parliament said 23 of his fellow members of parliament had tested positive. Two of them, Mohammad Ali Ramezani (February 29) and Fatemeh Rehber (March 7), have died.

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That’s a lot of tainted apples, statistically speaking. Why would Iran lie? On February 21, Iran conducted the latest in a series of sham elections in which only government-selected candidates could run for office. To show disapproval, many Iranians refuse to vote, and as participation has dropped, the appearance of electoral legitimacy has dropped as well. Iran’s government told its people that the United States had hyped COVID-19 to suppress turnout, and Tehran vowed to punish anyone spreading rumors about a serious epidemic. Forty-three percent of Iranians voted, unaware that the outbreak had already begun. Quick action could have allowed quarantines to be put in place. Instead Iran greased its own path toward the most catastrophic outbreak in modern history.

Remember that the official number of cases is 6,566. Yet a variety of other indicators suggest that far more people in Iran have become infected:

  • A paper by the University of Toronto’s Ashleigh Tuite and others noted that, by February 23, cases of Iranian origin had surfaced in Canada, Lebanon, and the United Arab Emirates. Given the volume of air travel between Iran and these countries, Tuite’s team estimated how many native COVID-19 cases must have occurred in Iran to produce one case each in these other countries. Their estimate for February 23: 18,300. Since the epidemic reached 100 cumulative cases, the official numbers have doubled roughly every three days. If that rate held, the estimate as of today would be 586,000.
  • On March 3, 23 out of 290 members of parliament—about 7.9 percent—had the disease. (Unlike ordinary people, these MPs probably had reliable access to diagnosis. State media insisted they contracted the disease not from one another, but from their home districts.) The rate of infection of parliamentarians would, if applied to Iran’s total population, come to 6.4 million cases.
  • Let’s consider the other politicians. The senior advisory council has experienced two known deaths out of 39 members; the cabinet has two known infections out of 30. Even if no other council or cabinet members had COVID-19, that’s an infection rate of 5.8 percent. That would mean an estimate of 4.7 million.
  • A government website invited Iranians to submit details of symptoms they were experiencing. After 2 million responses, about 9 percent reported COVID-19 symptoms. In the United States, among those whose symptoms and history have led them to be tested for COVID-19, about 10 percent have eventually tested positive. If that rate holds, Iran would have 730,000cases.
  • On March 4 and 5, two evacuation flights of Chinese citizens were allowedto leave Tehran for China’s Gansu province. Chinese authorities were of course wary of introducing more coronavirus carriers into the country, so they tested passengers and found 11 COVID-19 cases out of 311 passengers. If Chinese people in Iran got the disease at the same rate as Iranians, that suggests a rate of 3.5 percent, for a total of 5.7 million at the time of the flight. Tuite, the researcher who studied earlier flights, cautions that this number would undercount total cases, because it represents the number of cases on that plane at that time (the “point prevalence”) and not total cumulative cases—which would be higher, about 8 million. “It’s alarming, and I have a hard time wrapping my head around the implications of this,” she told me. “But I think it’s possible.”
  • Seven of the 21 COVID-19 patients in British Columbia had traveled recently in Iran. Finding a denominator for this number is difficult, but we can try. British Columbia has about 50,000 Iranian Canadians, and let’s assume they visit Iran, say, once every four years on average and stay for a month. That means in any given month, about 1,000 return from Iran. That suggests a total COVID-19 burden of 590,000 cases.
  • On March 8, health authorities in Golestan province declared that hospitals there were full. Golestan has about 2.2 percent of Iran’s population, and if we assume it has the same percentage of its hospital beds, the province should have 2,600 hospital beds. Let’s assume that at least some people with other conditions are already in those beds and that roughly 2,000 beds are now filled with COVID-19 patients. About 15 percent of COVID-19 patients need a hospital stay. That suggests that 13,000 people—or about 0.8 percent of the province’s population—have COVID-19 in Golestan. If that rate applies countrywide, it yields 610,000 infections, which suggests a cumulative total of about 1 million infections—if we include those who have already recovered. Finally, because hospitalizations are a lagging indicator, double that number to account for growth in the past week: 2 million.
The average of these estimates is about 2 million, which is about 250 times the official number and 15 times the total cases acknowledged worldwide. According to models, Tuite told me, the point-prevalence of COVID-19 in Canada could rise to 5 to 10 percent of the total population when the epidemic reaches its peak. These numbers, which I have shown to experts, suggest that Iran might be at or near that point.

Does Iran really have 2 million citizens with COVID-19? Perhaps politicians spend more time in public, and are therefore more susceptible to infection; if so, some of the estimates above would overstate the number of cases. Then again, it’s also possible that they were aware of the epidemic earlier and took precautions. In that case, those estimates would understate the number of cases. Edward Kaplan, who studies epidemics at Yale, looked at my numbers and noted that many of Iran’s politicians are old men—the average age of senior advisory council members is 70—who are therefore especially likely to show symptoms of COVID-19, leading to a higher share of sufferers in political circles than in the general population. It’s also possible—perhaps likely—that these numbers over-sample for Tehran and Qom, both cities hammered by the epidemic. COVID-19 is in every Iranian province, but some provinces are earlier in their cycle than others.

Many similar unknowns make these estimates difficult to assess—which is why experts have to attack the problem from multiple angles, with the assumption that errors in one approach do not correlate to errors in the others, and get rounded out in the average. Even if the estimates are off by a lot, they still reveal an outbreak completely out of control, beyond the capacity of Iran or perhaps any country to manage.

The messages coming out of Iran on social media, especially from health-care workers, do little to convince me that my doomsday figures are inaccurate. David N. Fisman, a colleague of Tuite’s at the University of Toronto, notes that the virus reportedly spread after panicked residents of Qom and Tehran fled to smaller cities, thereby sowing COVID-19 all over the country. Circulating on social media are reports that some provinces, such as Mazandaran, have set up roadblocks to keep more people with the infection from spilling into their territory.

The situation the doctors describe is desperate, with nurses wrapping themselves in tablecloths because they have long since run through their supply of proper gear. They swear that the official numbers are wrong. “Just stay overnight in the hospital to find out what I’m talking about,” one wrote. Or if you want to live, go home, and don’t come out until the plague passes. “[Our] society now needs fear more than hope.”
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Some interesting stuff on what might be going on in Iran

From defenseone.com
 
I've actually been seeing that this is attacking the heart just as bad as the lungs so I am wondering if looking at both combined is the best way to see an uptick.
I've only checked all chest related for billed items, I'm going to try to single out R06.02 ICD codes for shortness of breath next, one of the main symptoms for covid19, will do it when I've got a minute. I dont know of what specific ICD's to look for the heart, but I can certainly do a query if you know.
 
Instead of "We didn't only not protect you, we didn't protect us, we all went out on the town together," Congress tells us, "You cannot test everybody who comes in the front door of the Capitol," whatever flack that wrote this adding "Congress as a whole could be more susceptible to dangerous symptoms of the coronavirus than the public in general," indirectly implying that they deserve more consideration than everyone else and appealing for clemency due to age.


https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/anxiety-aging-congress-spreads-along-coronavirus-n1152851

The revolution will not be sterilized.
 
Thanks again @agoraphobic3.1 read through that article over lunch. Exactly what I was hoping for. Scientific from documented examples of previous cases and outlook based on similarity from SARS and other Coronavirus cases. Just feel better at least feeling adequately informed
 
This whole global coronavirus situation is like each country is a giant cruise ship (a little ironic), and we are all sailing towards a giant storm also known as COVID-19. Some ships are ahead of the others, and they are sailing into the heart of the storm. From where we are (the US cruise ship), some eager passengers (us Sherdoggers in these threads) are standing above the deck looking into the storm with our own binoculars, and seeing other ships being battered around. We also see some ships have responded better than others, like locking down their passengers in their cabins to prevent them getting tossed around too much. The US ship is still some distance away, but we are sailing straight into the storm while the storm is also getting bigger and stronger.


While on the US ship, the passengers above deck are sounding the alarm that we are sailing into a giant, nasty storm. However, we are met with ridicule: this ship is too big, and ship’s crew will surely steer us away from the storm. At the same time, the captain of the ship is telling everyone to eat, drink, spend money, enjoy the entertainment onboard (which is actually quite good), and don’t bother looking out the windows to what’s ahead. Despite the warning of the minority, the majority of the people on the ship put their trust in the crew and partied on.


Well, we are slowly sailing into the storm. At first just some heavy rain, but the big waves are about to come. Most of the passengers are still at the buffet lines or watching the cruise ship’s rendition of Cats, blissfully spending their money. The waves are starting to hit, and some of the crew is telling the passengers to go back to their cabins. However, the captain is telling the passengers to not worry, and that this ship has seen worse and came out unscathed. The passengers are also able to see out of the windows on the sides of the ship of the battered wreckage of other cruise ships. People are starting to panic, and some of them are dropping everything to run back to their cabins. The corridors of the ship are narrow, and people are tripping over each other, drastically slowing down the process. The front of the ship is starting to rock a lot more as we enter the heart of the storm, and that’s where we are now.


TL/DR: We are basically on a giant ship, and sailing straight into the coronavirus storm with no plans to secure the passengers.
 
I've only checked all chest related for billed items, I'm going to try to single out R06.02 ICD codes for shortness of breath next, one of the main symptoms for covid19, will do it when I've got a minute. I dont know of what specific ICD's to look for the heart, but I can certainly do a query if you know.
well, the query ran fast this time around, for the past four weeks, shortness of breath billed cases up 5%, so chest illnesses was lowered by 1% while shortness of breath up by 5%. Total percent of shortness of breath compared to all chest illnesses is 2%

so for every 100,000 chest illnesses, 2000 would be shortness of breath, and among that 2%, it's been fluctuating up and down and landed 5% higher, so the numbers would be:

2000
1900
2000
2100.

not sure if that's statistically significant, but the numbers seem par the course. Year over year stats are much lower, last year numbers are 10% higher for chest illnesses.
 
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