Comparing GSP and Usman's welterweight win streaks.

acannxr said:
I'm not suggesting that Chiesa doesn't deserve to be ranked there, just that Hardy getting that highly ranked isn't so absurd when you compare it with Chiesa's route to getting in the same spot.
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It sounds to me like you're the one missing the point - it's not that people are disagreeing with Hardy's ranking, their point is that the division itself has improved over time. If anything you're just proving them right by posting the rankings.

No one said that Hardy shouldn't have been ranked #5 or that he got an undeserved title shot. It's that Chiesa's roughly in the same spot as him but he's still widely considered to be a better fighter.
 
Combat-Betting said:
Unless you're laughably biased it's the measuring stick of what it takes to KO and submit GSP. Imagine getting KO'd by Serra and basically losing to Hendricks then thinking you can outstrike the likes of Wonderboy. Or getting subbed by Hughes and then thinking Burns, Colby and Usman couldn't ragdoll you. Lmao
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Usman got submitted by a guy with a 15-11 record, funny how when I use your logic it backfires on your argument.

King of Fists said:
Bro you realize you just showed how fighters in GSPs day with an average rank of 2.66 are worse than todays fighters with an average rank of 27.
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You realize that you just reached a flawed conclusion? Because I'm sure that the fighters you say are better than the ones from GSP's day would be the fighters with #10 rank or higher, which debunks that theory completely.
 
Fesaine said:
The fact that Dan hardy was even ranked in the top 5 prove how much better welterweight have become.

And lol at serra ranked #1 at one point.
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Dude has 9 title defenses. Of course there’s going to be 1 or 2 less than worthy opponents when you have 9 defenses. The way the division is now, Usman would have to fight some less than worthy competition to also reach 9. I suppose he could rematch some of these dudes he’s dominated.
 
Combat-Betting said:
GSP beat a bunch of undersized lightweights with obsolete mma skillsets.
Usman is beating much harder competition.

Its like someone with 20 wins on easy mode vs someone with 10 wins on hard mode. The latter is more impressive
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Which one of those nobodies is better than a prime Hendricks, Shields, Condit? Hell, Jon Fitch at 40 years old arguably beat Rory who was Bellator's WW champ not long ago.

If their skillset is obsolete than so is GSP's. Because he fought in the same era. So let's stick with your logic and pretend they were obsolete. That doesn't take away from what those wins meant at the time and how skilled those opponents were considered for the time. How is it easy mode if GSP fought in the same era as these guy and had access to the same training as these guys? The WW division was stacked at the time.

Sure, A Gilbert Burns, Colby Covington are awesome wins. But Usman still needs more of those to beat GSP's record.
 
acannxr said:
Usman got submitted by a guy with a 15-11 record, funny how when I use your logic it backfires on your argument.


You realize that you just reached a flawed conclusion? Because I'm sure that the fighters you say are better than the ones from GSP's day would be the fighters with #10 rank or higher, which debunks that theory completely.
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Look it's pretty clear you're looking back at fighters from GSPs era with rose tinted glasses, probably from lack of understanding of what you're watching

I suggest taking up some MMA yourself so you can start to see the differences in the skill level in top fighters from 10 years ago and today.
 
King of Fists said:
Look it's pretty clear you're looking back at fighters from GSPs era with rose tinted glasses, probably from lack of understanding of what you're watching
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In other words, you don't want to specify which fighters are better than which. I'm not suggesting that GSP doesn't have some padding in that win streak, it's just funny that when your argument gets challenged you suddenly aren't interested in defending your case.
 
Wreckless said:
Which one of those nobodies is better than a prime Hendricks, Shields, Condit?

If their skillset is obsolete than so is GSP's. Because he fought in the same era. So let's stick with your logic and pretend they were obsolete. That doesn't take away from what those wins meant at the time and how skilled those opponents were considered for the time.

Sure, A Gilbert Burns, Colby Covington are awesome wins. But Usman still needs more of those to beat GSP's record.
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GSP didn't exactly beat Hendricks did he either way Wonderboy smoked Hendricks so there's your answer. Woodley and Burns are better wins than Condit and Shields.

Usman probably won't beat GSP's record because today's divisions are so much better. Which is why its better to look at the quality and amount of wins over some win streak against mostly cans
 
acannxr said:
Chiesa is ranked #5 on FightMatrix because he defeated Condit (0-4 in his last four fights), Sanchez (need I say more?), RDA (1-3 in last four and moved back to LW), and Magny (<Lmaoo>).
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RDA was top five for a while, fought for the interim title and only lost to elite WWs besides Chiesa.

Magny has wins over Hendricks, Gastelum and Lombard. He's been top ten for the better part of a decade.

Hardy got a title shot off of beating Marcus Davis and Mike Swick.
 
Combat-Betting said:
GSP didn't exactly beat Hendricks did he either way Wonderboy smoked Hendricks so there's your answer. Woodley and Burns are better wins than Condit and Shields.

Usman probably won't beat GSP's record because today's divisions are so much better. Which is why its better to look at the quality and amount of wins over some win streak against mostly cans
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Stopped reading at Wonderboy smoked Hendricks.

First off, MMA math doesn't work. But if we're going to use that logic. Shields beat Woodley. So no, Woodley is not a better win.

Secondly, post USADA Hendricks wasn't shit. He managed to get 1 win in 6 fights starting with the Wonderboy fight.

And today's division is not better at all. The WW division was considered stacked at the time. Especially when guys from other Orgs like Diaz, Shields came to the UFC. GSP was just too good.
 
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acannxr said:
In other words, you don't want to specify which fighters are better than which. I'm not suggesting that GSP doesn't have some padding in that win streak, it's just funny that when your argument gets challenged you suddenly aren't interested in defending your case.
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You're right, I'm not going to explain to you why #36 Sean Strickland would beat #5 Dan Hardy or how Nick Diaz loses to anyone on that list who knows how to throw leg kicks.

This stuff is obvious to anyone knowledgeable about MMA which is why I suggested you start training, to increase your MMA knowledge.
 
Combat-Betting said:
No he wouldn't, they'd both give him a hard time. Colby has better grappling than Hughes and Burns has better striking than Serra. You guys just can't get past that nostalgia can you
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Colby is Tailor made to get destroyed by GSP.


GSP would run a clinic on him. Burns is no better than Alves.
 
Wreckless said:
Stopped reading at Wonderboy smoked Hendricks.

First off, MMA math doesn't work. Secondly, post USADA Hendricks wasn't shit. He managed to get 1 win in 6 fights starting with the Wonderboy fight.

And today's division is not better at all. The WW division was considered stacked at the time. Especially when guys from other Orgs like Diaz, Shields came to the UFC.
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He was coming off a win before that and just fought for the title. Speaking of that, post Usada GSP was so bad that he retired instead of losing to superior competition like Hendricks did. Smart guy
 
Regardless of what has happened before, Kamaru has the potential to beat Georges records convincingly. He still seems very much in the fight game amd not showing any signs of slowing down.

I figured Colby and Burns were his stiffest tests and he handled them convincingly. At this point who can really challenge him? I see his reign continuing for quite a while.

Also, fuck y'all trying to put Goerges down. Dude fought every single person they put in front of him. What else can you ask for? People acting like "oh he lost to a guy that got his shot off of TUF lol". I doubt todays champs would even take that fucking fight. Theyd be like " oh he isnt ranked. Its not fair he cuts the line!" ir some other lame excuse.
 
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