Comparing GSP and Usman's welterweight win streaks.

[RockyLockridge]

#68 Leon Edwards would beat #5 ranked Dan Hardy

I dont know about ewards at THAT time winning but the edwards of today would

 

[pThree]

One example doesn't prove your theory, you said that all the fighters from Usman's list were better than all the fighters from GSP's list, you've hardly made your case.


Woodley was 6-0-1 from the time he last lost, when Usman defeated him; during that run Woodley had wins over Dong Hyun Kim, Kelvin Gastelum, Robbie Lawler, Stephen Thompson, Demian Maia, and Darren Till.

Shields was 15-0 from the time he last lost, when GSP defeated him; during that run Shields had wins over Yushin Okami, Carlos Condit, Paul Daley, Robbie Lawler, Jason Miller, Dan Henderson, and Martin Kampmann. Furthermore, when Shields had gone 1-2 (1), he was still good enough to defeat a Woodley who was six years younger and with less injuries than the version that Usman defeated.

Shields is a far more impressive win than Woodley.

Woodley got robbed against Shields

Shields is terrible

 

[Fadetoblack918]

Smart move by Georges, by allowing Serra to become champion, he count as a win over a #1 instead of being an unranked W on his resume.

 

[GOAT BELT]

stats are garbage.

 

[bjpenngoat]

Chiesa is ranked #5 on FightMatrix because he defeated Condit (0-4 in his last four fights), Sanchez (need I say more?), RDA (1-3 in last four and moved back to LW), and Magny (<Lmaoo>).

Chiesa would have ruined the entire we roster during gsp's run.

 

[Topher]

Burns, RDA, and Masvidal are blown up Lightweights.
Defeating Edwards at that point in time was as significant as McGregor defeating Holloway.
Covington is a good win.
Maia was coming off two losses.
Woodley got beat by Shields, the latter of whom got defeated by GSP.
And you just want to omit the Fitch and Hendricks wins from GSP's resume?


As opposed to the UFC's rankings that's voted on by media who's websites are for sale or are nothing more than Facebook/Instagram pages? The same media who gets memos from the UFC on who to vote for?


Not the point.




That Welterweight today has laughable rankings too.

RDA, Masvidal and Burns might be blown up lightweights today but they’re bigger than most the welterweights from GSP’s era.

Also Penn x2 , Serra and Shrek are all like blow up BW’s / FW’s by today’s standards. Like how many 5’5 guys is Usman fighting. Serra and Sherk are like the frame / size of Faber and Chad Mendes. Hughes and Trigg aren’t that big in today’s division, they were huge back then. Look at the size of Conor, Khabib, Cerrone, Tony, Dustin, Justin and many other LW’s they’re pretty big now. Those 5’5 - 5’8 welters aren’t the norm anymore. Their is a reason many fighters from 2005-2007 who were fighting @WW ended up in FW.

I still think GSP is above Usman for now he was champion for so long and his steak is relative to the competition he had as a champion. Usman needs to win a bit more title fights.

 

[Paladin]

A big deal is being made about Usman breaking GSP's welterweight win streak, so I thought it'd be interesting to actually compare them.

Georges St-Pierre's 12-fight win streak at welterweight:

#4 Josh Koscheck
#3 Matt Hughes
#1 Matt Serra
#2 Jon Fitch
#1 (LW) B.J. Penn
#2 Thiago Alves
#5 Dan Hardy
#3 Josh Koscheck
#2 Jake Shields
#2 Carlos Condit
#5 Nick Diaz
#2 Johny Hendricks
AVG RANKING: 2.66

Kamaru Usman's 13-fight win streak at welterweight:

#102 Hayder Hassan
#68 Leon Edwards
#31 Alexander Yakovlev
#51 Warlley Alves
#36 Sean Strickland
#42 Sergio Moraes
#13 Emil Meek
#7 Demian Maia
#3 Rafael dos Anjos
#1 Tyron Woodley
#3 Colby Covington
#2 Jorge Masvidal
#4 Gilbert Burns
AVG RANKING: 27.92

We Gotta remember that all those fights were Title fights for GSP.. 5 round camps too. Those title contenders were all in their prime, motivation was at an all time high, and typically on good win streaks.
A title fight is not the same as a Hassan Hayder

 

[JKS]

GSP beat a bunch of undersized lightweights with obsolete mma skillsets.
Usman is beating much harder competition.

Its like someone with 20 wins on easy mode vs someone with 10 wins on hard mode. The latter is more impressive

I am very confused with your post as it's a load of lies.

The only LWs that Gsp fought were Serra and Penn. Usman has fought Burns, Masvidal and RDA, who all have longer careers at LW. Prior to fighting Usman, Yakolev also fought at LW.

And cut the BS about obsolete skills sets. Usman isn't beating anyone better skills wise.

 

[SherdogFan23]

GSP struggled with LW Penn in the first fight. He lost against Johny Hendricks but was gifted a win and then retired to avoid a rematch (another one of his medical excuses). Calling Matt Serra a #1 was a joke.

Usman still needs to win some more fights, but he can easily pass George in time if we are simply talking wins/loses.

 

[ejazahmednit]

The fact that you think he would run through them is loughable.

Colby has Hendricks level wrestling, so GSP most likely wouldn’t be able to take him down. GSP has a great jab, but he has never faced anyone with the pace and pressure of Colby. He might win a round or two, but would most likely succumb to Colby’s pressure.

GSP is a wet blanket in BJJ, he doesn’t have submissions. Burns is on another planet in terms of BJJ. Burns could submit him from anywhere. If it keeps standing, Burns could definitely knock him out. GSP would have to run from him with a jab for 5 rounds, cause he has no power in his punches to finish Burns.

GSP looked as great striker against wrestlers and like a great wrestler against strikers. He arguably lost to the first guy who could do both ( Hendricks). Colby and Burns can do both and would be a huge problem for GSP

GSP out wrestled Hendricks
I wont say GSP would run through Colby or Burns but I would favour him against both

 

[TheSpider]

GSP’s resume consists of one dimensional fighter and bloated LWs.

The first fighter he faced who had good wrestling, good striking, and wasn’t a LW (Hendricks) battered him into retirement at the young age of 32.

 

[BoomStronk]

It is about skill level of the division relative to the Champion during his streak as well as number of defenses of the title and overall ranking of opposition which would dictate the GOAT of the division. Context matters. I still think prime Georges beats every guy that Usman beat.

This shouldn't need to be said.

 

[Iron Nick]

I legit don't get how RDA is supposed to be some great win at 170, nor do i get how Masvidal is supposed to be more than a decent win, or how a 40 year old Maia is some kind of great win.

Get real people, Usman is damn good but he isn't above GSP by any means.

 

[ejazahmednit]

They are different eras. It's why nobody in their right mind would rank a last place NFL team today over the '72 Dolphins despite the fact the Dolphins would get killed by any team today.


Are mma fans purposely this dense? No other sports have this issue.

You are a rarity my friend

 

[Substance Abuse]

This shouldn't need to be said.

But it has to be in every fucking thread on this forum, lol.

 

[Topher]

Yep different eras. GSP dominated his era. But guys like Hughes and Trigg along with others GSP faced would lose more often than not to Lombard, Larkin, Lima and that’s just last names that begin with L.

I do think Usman would be the toughest fighter GSP would have faced and GSP would be the same for Usman. Woodley and Lawler peak seemed like GSP left at the right time to preserve his legacy. The Hendricks fight was the writing on the wall the division was changing.

 

[GOATtalks]

GSP out wrestled Hendricks
I wont say GSP would run through Colby or Burns but I would favour him against both

He didn’t.



And Colby would not slow down, like Hendricks did

 

[GOATtalks]

I dont know about ewards at THAT time winning but the edwards of today would

Yeah fighters do improve, but it’s not a day and night situation. Edwards was more or less the same as he is now when he fought Usman. And that is very good

 

[GOATtalks]

comparing Colby and Burns to Johhny Hendricks is so dumb. That version of Hendricks destroys any WW. Also nobody would pick Burns and Colby over GSP LOL

That version of Hendricks lost to Lawler and split decisioned Koscheck. Woodley sent them both to shadow realm. Colby and Burns obliterated Woodley. Colby also completely outclassed Lawler.
Colby has the wrestling credentials as Hendricks and much better pressure and cardio. Burns has much better BJJ than Hendricks. Nothing really suggests Hendricks would beat any of them except your nostalgia

 

[SHAZAM]

Lmfao at Serra, Hardy and Kos. Kos, while solid ain't elite. Neither is Alves. GSP is a top 3 GOAT, no need to inflate his wins. Obviously Snoozeman isn't there yet.