Comparing GSP and Usman's welterweight win streaks.

[Wreckless]

He was coming off a win before that and just fought for the title. Speaking of that, post Usada GSP was so bad that he retired instead of losing to superior competition like Hendricks did. Smart guy

Ok now you just outed yourself as a delusional hater. I rest my case.

 

[acannxr]

You're right, I'm not going to explain to you why #36 Sean Strickland would beat #5 Dan Hardy.

One example doesn't prove your theory, you said that all the fighters from Usman's list were better than all the fighters from GSP's list, you've hardly made your case.

I did answer the question. No its not a better win

Woodley was 6-0-1 from the time he last lost, when Usman defeated him; during that run Woodley had wins over Dong Hyun Kim, Kelvin Gastelum, Robbie Lawler, Stephen Thompson, Demian Maia, and Darren Till.

Shields was 15-0 from the time he last lost, when GSP defeated him; during that run Shields had wins over Yushin Okami, Carlos Condit, Paul Daley, Robbie Lawler, Jason Miller, Dan Henderson, and Martin Kampmann. Furthermore, when Shields had gone 1-2 (1), he was still good enough to defeat a Woodley who was six years younger and with less injuries than the version that Usman defeated.

Shields is a far more impressive win than Woodley.

 

[Mr Fahrenheit]

A big deal is being made about Usman breaking GSP's welterweight win streak, so I thought it'd be interesting to actually compare them.

Georges St-Pierre's 12-fight win streak at welterweight:

#4 Josh Koscheck
#3 Matt Hughes
#1 Matt Serra
#2 Jon Fitch
#1 (LW) B.J. Penn
#2 Thiago Alves
#5 Dan Hardy
#3 Josh Koscheck
#2 Jake Shields
#2 Carlos Condit
#5 Nick Diaz
#2 Johny Hendricks
AVG RANKING: 2.66

Kamaru Usman's 13-fight win streak at welterweight:

#102 Hayder Hassan
#68 Leon Edwards
#31 Alexander Yakovlev
#51 Warlley Alves
#36 Sean Strickland
#42 Sergio Moraes
#13 Emil Meek
#7 Demian Maia
#3 Rafael dos Anjos
#1 Tyron Woodley
#3 Colby Covington
#2 Jorge Masvidal
#4 Gilbert Burns
AVG RANKING: 27.92

Averages aren’t a good way to do this. Who cares if Moraes was #18, #42 or #115? Usman’s last six are the really relevant ones, and they’re on par with GSP. He obviously has more work to do.

Also, not that it matters, but Serra #1 is ridiculous. I get why you did that but cmon. He was probably never a top ten welterweight, and if he was it was barely.

 

[DagOban**]

#68 Leon Edwards would beat #5 ranked Dan Hardy

Woulda, coulda, shoulda.

 

[Combat-Betting]

Ok now you just outed yourself as a delusional hater. I rest my case.

Ducking out when you start losing. Who does that remind you of? Lmao

 

[Wreckless]

Ducking out when you start losing. Who does that remind you of? Lmao

Who did he duck after losing? His last loss is in 2007.

 

[fortheo]

Thanks TS, really shows how far MMA has evolved, top contenders in GSP's day have objectively worse skillsets than today's top 30.

Good catch, really highlights what a different, lesser era GSP fought in.

?? Colby and Usman are basically Prime Fitch and prime Kosheck.

 

[morrisondafalln]

Gsp never finished fights. Lost his first title shot. And his first defense. Got at title shot quicker then usman. And usman was avoided like the plague before even becoming champ. No body tried to avoid gsp.

 

[Mr Fahrenheit]

Im glad GSP is finally recognized as overrated and not-dominant enough to be GOAT. He played it safe his entire career and rarely finished a fight. Those things are what matter on all-time lists.

You’re entitled to your opinion. Certainly there’s a reason that so many of us love Fedor more than the other GOAT candidates. But Jones, Anderson, Khabib, Aldo, etc. all have plenty of decisions in which they had a guy outclassed but didn’t murk him. They won their fights though, which was (in their minds if not yours or mine) the point.

 

[Mr Fahrenheit]

Gsp never finished fights. Lost his first title shot. And his first defense. Got at title shot quicker then usman. And usman was avoided like the plague before even becoming champ. No body tried to avoid gsp.

Nobody tried to avoid GSP because, (1) he was the champ and (2) that’s just not the way it worked back then.

The early title shots are a double-edged sword. It’s what vaulted GSP to the top so quickly and it’s why he has such a great list of wins, but it’s also probably why he has two losses (certainly its why he has the Hughes loss, the Serra thing could’ve happened at any point).

 

[Mr Fahrenheit]

?? Colby and Usman are basically Prime Fitch and prime Kosheck.

Imagine in 10-15 years when we are comparing the new welterweight champ to Usman.

“He barely beat Colby who had the most basic striking and he got dropped by a lightweight, his record is inflated based on weak competition.”

If Fitch and Koscheck and Hendricks all suck already, Colby will be declared to suck by 2025. It’s nuts.

 

[bubbleboyjones]

In conclusion, Usman streak is more impressive.

Burns, Rda, Young Edward, Colby, Woodley, Masvidal, Maia >>Hughes, Shield, Koscheck, Condit, and Diaz.

They are different eras. It's why nobody in their right mind would rank a last place NFL team today over the '72 Dolphins despite the fact the Dolphins would get killed by any team today.


Are mma fans purposely this dense? No other sports have this issue.

 

[cburm]

A big deal is being made about Usman breaking GSP's welterweight win streak, so I thought it'd be interesting to actually compare them.

Georges St-Pierre's 12-fight win streak at welterweight:

#4 Josh Koscheck
#3 Matt Hughes
#1 Matt Serra
#2 Jon Fitch
#1 (LW) B.J. Penn
#2 Thiago Alves
#5 Dan Hardy
#3 Josh Koscheck
#2 Jake Shields
#2 Carlos Condit
#5 Nick Diaz
#2 Johny Hendricks
AVG RANKING: 2.66

Kamaru Usman's 13-fight win streak at welterweight:

#102 Hayder Hassan
#68 Leon Edwards
#31 Alexander Yakovlev
#51 Warlley Alves
#36 Sean Strickland
#42 Sergio Moraes
#13 Emil Meek
#7 Demian Maia
#3 Rafael dos Anjos
#1 Tyron Woodley
#3 Colby Covington
#2 Jorge Masvidal
#4 Gilbert Burns
AVG RANKING: 27.92

Burns leon and colby would wreck everyone on gsps streak

 

[Moeshaak Hammer]

A big deal is being made about Usman breaking GSP's welterweight win streak, so I thought it'd be interesting to actually compare them.

Georges St-Pierre's 12-fight win streak at welterweight:

#4 Josh Koscheck
#3 Matt Hughes
#1 Matt Serra
#2 Jon Fitch
#1 (LW) B.J. Penn
#2 Thiago Alves
#5 Dan Hardy
#3 Josh Koscheck
#2 Jake Shields
#2 Carlos Condit
#5 Nick Diaz
#2 Johny Hendricks
AVG RANKING: 2.66

Kamaru Usman's 13-fight win streak at welterweight:

#102 Hayder Hassan
#68 Leon Edwards
#31 Alexander Yakovlev
#51 Warlley Alves
#36 Sean Strickland
#42 Sergio Moraes
#13 Emil Meek
#7 Demian Maia
#3 Rafael dos Anjos
#1 Tyron Woodley
#3 Colby Covington
#2 Jorge Masvidal
#4 Gilbert Burns
AVG RANKING: 27.92

Warlley Alves beats everyone GSP beat and beat GSP.

 

[C0NCH3TO]

If you claim that Usman’s competition is superior to GSP’s, you are pretty much telling me that you are a moron who doesn’t know jackshit about mma.

 

[Rod Farva]

GSP would beat Colby and Gilbert so badly it wouldn’t even be funny

Finally! Someone said it!
If Colby stood with GSP the way he did with Usman, it would be Koscheck II all over again

 

[King of Fists]

?? Colby and Usman are basically Prime Fitch and prime Kosheck.

I mean really. Comparing either Fitch or Kos's standup to Colby or Usman should be a bannable offense c'mon man

 

[TGArthur]

My Ranking fights:

#2 Brother
#1 Step Brother
#1 Kid in High school
#2 Step dad

Therefore according to your MMA Math i'm better WW than GSP and Usman

 

[TempleoftheDog]

A big deal is being made about Usman breaking GSP's welterweight win streak, so I thought it'd be interesting to actually compare them.

Georges St-Pierre's 12-fight win streak at welterweight:

#4 Josh Koscheck
#3 Matt Hughes
#1 Matt Serra
#2 Jon Fitch
#1 (LW) B.J. Penn
#2 Thiago Alves
#5 Dan Hardy
#3 Josh Koscheck
#2 Jake Shields
#2 Carlos Condit
#5 Nick Diaz
#2 Johny Hendricks
AVG RANKING: 2.66

Kamaru Usman's 13-fight win streak at welterweight:

#102 Hayder Hassan
#68 Leon Edwards
#31 Alexander Yakovlev
#51 Warlley Alves
#36 Sean Strickland
#42 Sergio Moraes
#13 Emil Meek
#7 Demian Maia
#3 Rafael dos Anjos
#1 Tyron Woodley
#3 Colby Covington
#2 Jorge Masvidal
#4 Gilbert Burns
AVG RANKING: 27.92

Wow. When the see the numbers it’s so black and white. There is no comparison at all. Put the Usman as WW GOAT talk on the shelf until he gets at least 5 more defenses. If he does that then it would be appropriate to revisit the conversation. Until then it’s a joke.

 

[Rajon Rondo]

The fact that you think he would run through them is loughable.

Colby has Hendricks level wrestling, so GSP most likely wouldn’t be able to take him down. GSP has a great jab, but he has never faced anyone with the pace and pressure of Colby. He might win a round or two, but would most likely succumb to Colby’s pressure.

GSP is a wet blanket in BJJ, he doesn’t have submissions. Burns is on another planet in terms of BJJ. Burns could submit him from anywhere. If it keeps standing, Burns could definitely knock him out. GSP would have to run from him with a jab for 5 rounds, cause he has no power in his punches to finish Burns.

GSP looked as great striker against wrestlers and like a great wrestler against strikers. He arguably lost to the first guy who could do both ( Hendricks). Colby and Burns can do both and would be a huge problem for GSP

comparing Colby and Burns to Johhny Hendricks is so dumb. That version of Hendricks destroys any WW. Also nobody would pick Burns and Colby over GSP LOL