Comic Book Discussion Thread Vol. 10

[KONG-D'SNT-TAP]

For real? Nothing from the Claremont/Byrne run? X-Tinction Agenda? Age of Apocalypse? These are some of the most epic runs in comic book history.

I prefer my X-Men with Morrison on the title but as a long time X fan I must say im partial to that late 80's early 90's Jim Lee/Claremont era, I was a kid and just loved those books...

 

[KONG-D'SNT-TAP]

Thats not really true, its a misconception people carry from the 60s when they really shaked the industry, but since then both companies have their fair share of pusging boundaries.

In fact the last "big" shake up in the comic world was led by DC in the 80swith Swamp Thing (and everithing Moore did), TDKR, Crisis on Infinite earths, etc. Swamp Thing and Animal pretty much created their own imprint (Vertigo) .

Even things like the Ultimates or what was called Nu Marvel in the early 2000's were the same concepts we have seen of wide screen action and decompresion of the genre done by books like the authority, wildcats vol 2 (published by wildstorm wich were DC bookS). The ultimate line in general is similar to the post crisis revamps characters got in their origins.

Well I must say I for one am a fan of decompression comic story telling. I know that it gets a lot of flack but I love the longer payouts, I like the multi part angels that take time to build.

Id venture to say Ellis wrote the book on decompression, he and many others of that early 2000 British invasion did the same. Ellis Authority was like a handbook for perfect decompression story telling, it changed the genre and is still widely used as we speak.

 

[blokeybloke]

What gives? Is it a generational obsession thing? Is it a money thing?

As a kid i loved reading the odd comic but by crikey the level of comicbook SuperHero fandom here in the Mayb is frightening.

Educate me please, what exactly am i missing out on? :icon_conf

 

[BearAKA**]

Name recognition and an established fan base before they even film the damn thing. Same reason they go for so many remakes.

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[lion paw]

It's not fascination,its money.When you have the technology,you can make characters,action scenes possible.Imagine the avengers being made in the 90's.Possible box office bomb.

 

[Tankeray]

Hollywood rarely has original ideas anymore so its pretty understandable they want to draw from comics, with already established storylines and characters.

Then they can modifiy the fuck out of it if they see fit.

 

[bigkick]

I know there have been comic book movies for a long time (Superman, etc.) but the first one I remember is Dick Tracy in like 1990. I thought it was terrible. I actually didn't know it was based on a comic. But even after finding this out I still found the movie terrible. That's basically been my response to most of the others since then, even though I keep watching a decent number of them. Guys are suckers for action movies and Hollywood knows how to make money.

 

[Islam Imamate]

Name recognition and an established fan base before they even film the damn thing. Same reason they go for so many remakes.

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This plus comic book stuff tends to be PG-13 so it can hit a wider audience than other movies like R-rated horror stuff.

 

[blokeybloke]

For the record i'm not intending to mock the fanbase, simply want to more understand what they find so must-see about their genre and their passion doesnt seemingly dilute with age.

 

[bigblue02_02jw]

There are a lot of nerds out there? (BTW I do not think all people that read comics are nerds)

 

[BearAKA**]

For the record i'm not intending to mock the fanbase, simply want to more understand what they find so must-see about their genre and their passion doesnt seemingly dilute with age.

Well they make for the perfect popcorn flick. Good vs evil, unbelievable fights, love story. Its every kids fantasy growing up and its kind of great to see it brought to life on the big screen.

 

[Joe_Armstrong]

Clearly the epic succes of Meteor Man played a part in this.

 

[Deleted member 335905]

Name recognition and an established fan base before they even film the damn thing. Same reason they go for so many remakes.

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Ditto


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[Funkasaurus]

For the record i'm not intending to mock the fanbase, simply want to more understand what they find so must-see about their genre and their passion doesnt seemingly dilute with age.

They have big budgets

That hypes them up just like any other summer blockbuster


It's not ALL superhero films, look at Captain America 2, it's getting an early April release date and the first one had a lukewarm reception - No one cares about the sequel

Incredible Hulk didn't have much attention after Hulk failed back in 2003


On the other hand, Ironman and Robert Downey Jr are well liked and that goodwill and love carries over when the Ironman 3 and The Avenegrs were announced (Avengers is basically Ironman & friends)

 

[SevenSamurai]

I have a bit of personal experience with this

Comic book Heroes have a ready made audience and are easier to promote -plus actors often cannot demand as much, as generally the screen time for principle characters is much less due to the pantheon of characters brought to life in such kinds of films. Also actors know they are set for life if they get these parts -be it royalties or signing autographs at Dragoncon when they are 70 years old. -They will always be known for this.

In some cases, devout audiences prefer a comic book hero to be played by a non A-listers or relative unknown so that the performance is not colored but rather developed from origin-this means the studio can pay less and expect the same Q score from a lesser known or B actor due to the ready made, built in exposure in the marketplace.

Also most comic book films are extremely heavy in Visual effects (CGI) -awhich can shorten the principle filmmaking and dangerously varied logistics of onsite filming and put the burden back on the intense VFX groups -who rarely get a change order and rarely blow the budget because the studios are lawyered up and have editorial and artistic decision as to when a VFX scene satisfies the vision in the contract. When are these guys going to learn to work for time and materials lol.

Also comic book themes scream big summer blockbuster -which is what is keeping studio afloat these days -which is why they get green lighted so often.

These movies are also feel good movies where nothing really bad happens -which focus groups show bring in the most summer dollars -light exciting entertainment

Once the 1970s and realism come back into style -Hollywood will take a rest on this -but until then, they are going to ride this premade gravy train as hard as possible.

 

[SoulBrotherNo1]

Money. They hit three birds with one stone: kids, nerds, casual fans.

Casual movie watchers (Im talking about mostly male, young or middle-age guys) dont know which movies are quality and which are not. They will watch anything thats marketed as badass. 15-25 years ago it used to be action movies, now superhero movies will do it. (with the right marketing they will believe that guys flying around in a cape shooting lasers from their eyes isnt silly)

Nerds have obsessive natures (hence why they are nerds), they will watch anything superhero related. Even if they spend their next few months complaining about how Scatmans fart didnt smell like in the comic books, they still paid for the ticket...and will pay for the sequel as well, because they are the most passionate fanboys out there.

Children are the biggest part tho'. You just have to dumb down the plot and make it all colourful. Not only will they go crazy about it, but maybe they will go to the movies with their parents, who couldnt care less about the movie, but still, thats double money for the studios.

The Hollywood system is more like a factory than a place for artistic creations. Managers who make the decisions play around with millions of dollars, so they have to be careful. Thats why most of these movies plotline plays it safe and aims at mediocrity instead of pulling off some ballsy badass move. (On a related note, I think Joss Whedon gets too much credit for making 6 superheroes in one story work)

Of course this trend will continue as long as its profitable. If you are a little bit more interested in quality movies you gotta dig deeper.

 

[m0353]

What gives? Is it a generational obsession thing? Is it a money thing?

As a kid i loved reading the odd comic but by crikey the level of comicbook SuperHero fandom here in the Mayb is frightening.

Educate me please, what exactly am i missing out on? :icon_conf

I give
Check AV:icon_chee




Comic books are not just for kids.
It's ok not to care for it; but people it's fine to like comics

 

[lion paw]

Clearly the epic succes of Meteor Man played a part in this.

meeeteeor maaaaannnnn!I remember watching that as a kid.

 

[GhostHeavy]

Im just getting back into comics again and im wanting to read the Onslaught storyline. Anyone know where to start?

 

[S1Z]

The beginning.




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