Elections Clinton vs. Trump Polls thread, v2

[foxnoob]

This is not true. Her supporters would look the other way if they found dead orphans in her trunk. "Yeah but she's not Trump!"

She can do no wrong in their eyes. Or rather, she can do all the wrong she likes.

This is not true. His supporters would look the other way if they found dead orphans in his trunk. "Yeah but he's not Hillary!"

He can do no wrong in their eyes. Or rather, he can do all the wrong he likes.

Brilliant input, guy.

 

[Peteyandjia]

You dont think its more important what independent and moderates from both parties will vote or stay home? Or do you think she can be carried by her supporters alone.

I think she will get a huge turnout because the notion that Trump = Hitler has been very successfully widespread.

 

[Social Distance Warrior]

It does look very bad for Trump. Mostly done by his own hand.
But Clinton is just another scandal away from being done herself.
Or all the existing scandals just need to pick up speed.
.

nope, Hillary Clinton like her husband, is incredibly resilient.

And more and more, it's become quite clear that many of her ardent followers don't give a fuck about the scandals surrounding Hillary. They're voting for her regardless.

 

[Peteyandjia]

Oh, that's silly. At least have the decency to acknowledge that the dispute is about the legitimacy of the attacks. It's not like people actually believe that Clinton is some kind of murderous, drug-dealing liar but like her anyway.

No. In my experience, every criticism of Hillary has been brushed aside regardless of legitimacy. People have the narrative they want, and the truth is merely a detail.

 

[Jack V Savage]

No. In my experience, every criticism of Hillary has been brushed aside regardless of legitimacy. People have the narrative they want, and the truth is merely a detail.

Again, *you* might think that crazy right-wing attacks on Clinton are "legitimate" or whatever, but other people don't. That is where the dispute comes in. It's not, "oh, I believe that she's a big liar and a murderer but I still think she'd be a great president." You're just cartoonishly demonizing people who don't agree with you.

 

[Peteyandjia]

Again, *you* might think that crazy right-wing attacks on Clinton are "legitimate" or whatever, but other people don't. That is where the dispute comes in. It's not, "oh, I believe that she's a big liar and a murderer but I still think she'd be a great president." You're just cartoonishly demonizing people who don't agree with you.

No, you are lumping all criticisms of Hillary together as "crazy right-wing attacks". Which is kinda exactly what I'm talking about.

 

[Diamond Jim]

The GOP refuses to acknowledge the Hispanic vote in this country. It has dropped in support for a republican every election cycle and is at an all time low with Trump.

 

[Jack V Savage]

No, you are lumping all criticisms of Hillary together as "crazy right-wing attacks". Which is kinda exactly what I'm talking about.

What criticisms are you referring to that aren't crazy right-wing attacks? Do you buy that there's a long list of people she has had killed (or any people)? That she's a particularly dishonest politician? That she's secretly and illegally funded by foreign countries? What are the real, legitimate criticisms that you're seeing brushed aside despite evidence for them being true?

 

[DangDaGawd]

nope, Hillary Clinton like her husband, is incredibly resilient.

And more and more, it's become quite clear that many of her ardent followers don't give a fuck about the scandals surrounding Hillary. They're voting for her regardless.

If there was a reasonable alternative to Hillary in this election, I have a hard time believing she'd win. Unfortunately, the alternative to her is a con-man with no political experience who can't develop and stick to a coherent economic policy and alienates non-white voters with idiotic rhetoric.

 

[oleDirtyBast4rd]

Oh she's possessed by a demon? Who's too weak to manage a cough?....

You missed the other part about your ignorance and how you selectively use it when discussing the candidates .

What makes you think rip believes in a flat earth? Why are you asking him question if you're going to misrepresent him anyways? Are you interested in discussion or being an asshole?

 

[JSnake]

The polls are not always accurate.

 

[n...not crazy]

Clinton 41%
Johnson 23%
Stein 16%
Trump 9%

All whackjobs. My oh my what am I gonna do when I get my ballot in the mail?

 

[Squarechoke]

hillary:
drawbacks: evil, corrupt, incompetent, neurological issues... ;
positives: married to bill clinton

Trump:
drawbacks: says mean things to bad people;
positives: responsible immigration policy; rapproachment with russia to avoid a cold war; defund the war in syria; let putin bomb isis; put america first in trade deals, American prosperity, peace, and greatness

if people vote for hillary, they get what they deserve

That was some state of the art selective argument presentation. I can see why you like Trump, as history professors focused on presidencies have found that he's the presidential candidate that has the highest rate of making up facts. Pretty impressive to be the biggest liar in such a group.

 

[Undying Poster]

So when this election is over, can we ban all the Trump posters? Can we get some account bets going on? Can I get an amen?!

 

[DevilsLettuce]

What makes you think rip believes in a flat earth? Why are you asking him question if you're going to misrepresent him anyways? Are you interested in discussion or being an asshole?

lol - Rip is a liar and person suffering from mental illness. No one serious takes him seriously.

 

[Peteyandjia]

What criticisms are you referring to that aren't crazy right-wing attacks?

Being on the Board of Directors at Wal-Mart, during which they campaigned against labor unions for their workers. Supporting the contras in Nicaragua, & the NATO bombing of Yugoslavia. Voting for the Iraq war. As Secretary of State: the destruction of the secular state of Libya, the military coup in Honduras, the current regime change attempt in Syria. Taking many millions of dollars from the big banks to give them speeches, where the press is barred and transcripts are not released.

Without mentioning emails or Benghazi, there is a laundry list of criticisms I can come up with for her. None of which get much consideration.

"But Trump though."

Do you buy that there's a long list of people she has had killed (or any people)?

No. If you're talking about simple assassinations, most of that stuff sounds silly to me.

That she's a particularly dishonest politician?

Yes.

That she's secretly and illegally funded by foreign countries?

It is not so secret, nor sadly, illegal.

 

[DangDaGawd]

So when this election is over, can we ban all the Trump posters? Can we get some account bets going on? Can I get an amen?!

I highly doubt many of them will admit to supporting Trump after the election. Supporting Trump is going to be a modern day Scarlet Letter come December.

 

[J. Bernie Cunningham]

What makes you think rip believes in a flat earth? Why are you asking him question if you're going to misrepresent him anyways? Are you interested in discussion or being an asshole?

Rip's past posts about a flat earth lead me to that question. What did I misinterpret? Him making a mockery of epilepsy or suggesting Hilary is possessed by demons?

If running trolls out of conversations so adults can talk is being an asshole, I'm proudly an asshole. He's intentionally detrimental to actual discussions on serious issues. Why should I address him as if he's anything but that?

 

[J. Bernie Cunningham]

As Secretary of State: the destruction of the secular state of Libya, the military coup in Honduras, the current regime change attempt in Syria.

Just curious on this part;

Do you hold the.actual soldiers who carried out these acts as being just as responsible for them as she is? Or is one more responsible than the.other?

Also for any issue that had to be voted on in the house and senate, are those who voted in favor just as responsible, more so or less so?

 

[Jack V Savage]

Being on the Board of Directors at Wal-Mart, during which they campaigned against labor unions for their workers.

Er, OK. So being on the board of a company that is anti-union is a bad thing? I would A) agree that it happened and B) dismiss it. Kind of funny that anyone would think that's a reason to vote Trump.

Supporting the contras in Nicaragua, & the NATO bombing of Yugoslavia.

I'm not aware of her having a role in either of these stories or what your specific objection to NATO's action is.

Voting for the Iraq war. As Secretary of State: the destruction of the secular state of Libya, the military coup in Honduras, the current regime change attempt in Syria. Taking many millions of dollars from the big banks to give them speeches, where the press is barred and transcripts are not released.

Couple of legitimate issues in there that she does, in fact, get criticized for. The last one is silly, but she also gets criticized from supporters for it.

No. If you're talking about simple assassinations, most of that stuff sounds silly to me.

Do you read the WR a lot? A lot of people genuinely believe in that stuff. Glad you're not quite that nutty.

Yes.

Based on what? You're aware that she has the best Politifact rating in this election (including everyone in both primaries), yes?

It is not so secret, nor sadly, illegal.

Foreign nationals are not legally permitted to contribute to a campaign. If you're aware of legitimate evidence that Clinton is getting illegal contributions, you should report it.

Just curious on this part;

Do you hold the.actual soldiers who carried out these acts as being just as responsible for them as she is? Or is one more responsible than the.other?

Also for any issue that had to be voted on in the house and senate, are those who voted in favor just as responsible, more so or less so?

Obviously, there is no actual, consistent principles being applied here. It's just "liberals are evil so what I can find to try to plausibly suggest something negative?" I mean, what's next? "She is a citizen of a country that dropped nuclear bombs on two cities?"