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Hardly stunning. This election is the accumulation of stupidity I've seen in my lifetime. It makes perfect sense.
It occurs to me that Walter Mondale might be as weak a candidate as Hillary, considering what I've seen of him in my retrospective poll-reading, historical articles, and from testimony from the truly sage veterans who were there like Dan Rather, but I was far too young to have any grasp or wherewithal of politics.
 
Fox News poll: Clinton opens up 10-point lead over Trump

I'm so fucking mad at Republicans for picking this boner I am almost shaking. Hillary Clinton in 2016 is the weakest candidate in my lifetime (far, far weaker than the 2008 girl who got whipped by Obama). Even Bob Dole was a stronger candidate, IMO. I can't fucking believe these dumbasses blew it with this anti-intellectual tantrum vote.

Bob Dole, lol. Funny you should mention him:

He was doing only what he wanted to do now. The day before, he had quit campaigning, again after only two speeches, in mid afternoon, in order to beat the curfew at National Airport, in Washington, to which he insisted on returning so that he could spend the night in his own bed. Every day, the campaign provided Dole with a positive, issues-oriented speech. The advance texts of these speeches were dutifully put up on the TelePrompTer and handed out to reporters. Sometimes Dole delivered the speeches, but more often he didn't. He said, it seemed, whatever he pleased, whatever popped into his mind. What pleased him most was to rail against Clinton, so that was what Dole was going to do, no matter what his advisers said... Dole's campaign for President was, in a sense, always a protest campaign: Dole's protest against everything--the culture of politics, the culture of his country, the values of a nation that appreciated a man like. Clinton more than a man like Dole...
from here

Trump's candidacy has always been a protest against anyone he feels has slighted him in some way. And now that he has the nomination, he continues to attack the very party who put him there.

This is the end result of the Southern Strategy employed by the GOP now for decades. Trump, the small handed vulgarian, is the fruit of that toxic seed. It was always going to end poorly.

And I'll just add, for as weak a candidate as Hilary is, she's the front of one of the most organized and effective political campaign machines in U.S. history. I'm talking from the street level all the way to the top. It got Obama elected twice and is well on its way to getting Hilary into the White House.
 
Bob Dole, lol. Funny you should mention him:

He was doing only what he wanted to do now. The day before, he had quit campaigning, again after only two speeches, in mid afternoon, in order to beat the curfew at National Airport, in Washington, to which he insisted on returning so that he could spend the night in his own bed. Every day, the campaign provided Dole with a positive, issues-oriented speech. The advance texts of these speeches were dutifully put up on the TelePrompTer and handed out to reporters. Sometimes Dole delivered the speeches, but more often he didn't. He said, it seemed, whatever he pleased, whatever popped into his mind. What pleased him most was to rail against Clinton, so that was what Dole was going to do, no matter what his advisers said... Dole's campaign for President was, in a sense, always a protest campaign: Dole's protest against everything--the culture of politics, the culture of his country, the values of a nation that appreciated a man like. Clinton more than a man like Dole...
from here

Trump's candidacy has always been a protest against anyone he feels has slighted him in some way. And now that he has the nomination, he continues to attack the very party who put him there.

This is the end result of the Southern Strategy employed by the GOP now for decades. Trump, the small handed vulgarian, is the fruit of that toxic seed. It was always going to end poorly.

And I'll just add, for as weak a candidate as Hilary is, she's the front of one of the most organized and effective political campaign machines in U.S. history. I'm talking from the street level all the way to the top. It got Obama elected twice and is well on its way to getting Hilary into the White House.
Trump is the culmination of something they've played around with but never fully and nakedly embraced. Lee Atwater and Pat Buchanan were some. This nativist, nationalist part of the part. Palin, tea party and now trump. I think its because older white people feel pushed out and don't have the same influence they did before. They feel marginalized.
 
Not in the Eastwood household. :p

Article from yeste
Not in the Eastwood household. :p

Article from [URL='http://www.breitbart.com/2016-presidential-race/2016/08/03/clint-eastwood-donald-trump-challenging-kiss-ass-generation/']yesterday
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“He’s onto something, because secretly everybody’s getting tired of political correctness, kissing up,” Clint Eastwood said in an interview with Esquire. “That’s the kiss-ass generation we’re in right now. We’re really in a pussy generation. Everybody’s walking on eggshells.”

rday[/URL]:

“He’s onto something, because secretly everybody’s getting tired of political correctness, kissing up,” Clint Eastwood said in an interview with Esquire. “That’s the kiss-ass generation we’re in right now. We’re really in a pussy generation. Everybody’s walking on eggshells.”

Funny, in the actual interview he calls trump a racist and refuses to endorse him.
 
Funny, in the actual interview he calls trump a racist and refuses to endorse him.
He's just playing politics, toning it down to pull A-listers for his next film. Harry Callahan leans right - always has, always will.
 
He's just playing politics, toning it down to pull A-listers for his next film. Harry Callahan leans right - always has, always will.

Hes not the type to play politics or tone things down. He talks about it in that interview in regards to Gran Torino. Great movie.
 
And I'll just add, for as weak a candidate as Hilary is, she's the front of one of the most organized and effective political campaign machines in U.S. history. I'm talking from the street level all the way to the top. It got Obama elected twice and is well on its way to getting Hilary into the White House.
That's true, but the lady isn't a natural leader. Just doesn't have a fiber of it in her body. The fact is that people will always see her as the Kevin Federline or Yoko Ono. She's that spouse who attached herself to a truly charismatic wunderkind and somehow expects the rest of us to believe that lightning struck twice in the same proximity. It's easy to see why this country turns on her every time she goes for President rather than some lower appointed civil office.

This country has no problem with the idea you can marry into wealth, but it naturally offends us when someone begs the implication that he or she can marry into greatness. Either you are or you aren't. If she was this truly great female leader, this icon of pioneers for the gender, then she would have been the one pulling off a ridiculous upset as the "Comeback Kid" twenty-four years ago, not standing back in the shadows, smiling and staring out at us over the shoulder of the man who did. Deference isn't boldness.

Americans can smell that rot. Despite all our mulish rejection of intellectualism and resistance to dispassionate politics our nationalistic instincts have always served our noses well.
 
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Trump has always been a big mouth blow hard. Its not bias. Its the truth. He doesn't know when to shut up or admit he doesn't know what he is talking about

Sounds to me like they're reporting the news accurately then.

I didnt mean it that way. I meant that at least here in Finland the mainstream media has a clear bias against Trump and it is clearly on Hillary`s side, regardless of what Trump/Hillary says or does. If there is some panel or talk show discussing about US president election, the guests are always, without a single exception pro Hillary guests and the common theme is always to portray Trump and his supporters as a some kind of dangerous phenomenon. Mainstream media have never even told people here why there are so many people in US planning to vote Trump, the media here just shrug it off as a some kind of protest from the public and that all the normal and sensible people are voting Hillary like its something which should be taken for granted.

Just saying how it is at least here, not taking any sides.
 
I didnt mean it that way. I meant that at least here in Finland the mainstream media has a clear bias against Trump and it is clearly on Hillary`s side, regardless of what Trump/Hillary says or does. If there is some panel or talk show discussing about US president election, the guests are always, without a single exception pro Hillary guests and the common theme is always to portray Trump and his supporters as a some kind of dangerous phenomenon. Mainstream media have never even told people here why there are so many people in US planning to vote Trump, the media here just shrug it off as a some kind of protest from the public and that all the normal and sensible people are voting Hillary like its something which should be taken for granted.

Just saying how it is at least here, not taking any sides.

Happens here in America also
 
Yes, continue to belief that the candidate you support is losing because of the media, and not because he is simply losing. Whatever lets you sleep at night.
Exactly, I guess "personal responsibility" only goes so far.
I didnt mean it that way. I meant that at least here in Finland the mainstream media has a clear bias against Trump and it is clearly on Hillary`s side, regardless of what Trump/Hillary says or does. If there is some panel or talk show discussing about US president election, the guests are always, without a single exception pro Hillary guests and the common theme is always to portray Trump and his supporters as a some kind of dangerous phenomenon. Mainstream media have never even told people here why there are so many people in US planning to vote Trump, the media here just shrug it off as a some kind of protest from the public and that all the normal and sensible people are voting Hillary like its something which should be taken for granted.

Just saying how it is at least here, not taking any sides.
That's because to anybody with any detachment or sense of perspective, Trump is an obvious political fad and not a long-term political phenomenon. And that fad is running its course.

Back in the day you could have told somebody with a garage full of Beanie Babies and Magic cards that they weren't sitting on a gold mine, and they probably wouldn't have believed you either. And who would have thought that Kony would still be in business four years later. I guess that's sometime how things go.
 
Exactly, I guess "personal responsibility" only goes so far.

That's because to anybody with any detachment or sense of perspective, Trump is an obvious political fad and not a long-term political phenomenon. And that fad is running its course.

Back in the day you could have told somebody with a garage full of Beanie Babies and Magic cards that they weren't sitting on a gold mine, and they probably wouldn't have believed you either. And who would have thought that Kony would still be in business four years later. I guess that's sometime how things go.
Just an aside here, old magic cards are worth a ton of money still.
 
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My showing the article to @Madmick was tongue-in-cheek. You that hard up to post something? All know Eastwood is a salmon unafraid to swim upstream and moreover that he's voting for Donald no matter what he leaves open-ended in response to a reporter; once you reach 18 and enter the big world, there's a concept in English language called ...time and place.

@7437 tried that same spiel; he didn't "refuse" anything. He just went with the flow and stated that he'll probably vote for Trump but hadn't been publicly approached for nor himself given an endorsement yet. He didn't call Donald "racist" at all, quite the contrary; he said although dumb of him to say certain things, his now being "racist" is a product of this silly generation.

you are wrong

Leave your bedroom, nerd, LOL.
 
It's all coming undone at the worst time; exactly when it needs to be all coming together. Trump and Ryan are squabbling again. The Republicans looked more consolidated during the conventions, but as soon as the post-convention popular landscape was surveyed, and Republicans realized it was a historic dud, they suddenly leaped back at each others throats. More and more prominent Republicans fracture and publicly endorse Trump since Hanna broke rank, and now Trump is fueling the schism. Hell, he can't even maintain a solid front with his own VP on a single issue, it seems.

Meanwhile, it's all blue:
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/ep...s/general_election_trump_vs_clinton-5491.html
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It's all coming undone at the worst time; exactly when it needs to be all coming together. Trump and Ryan are squabbling again. The Republicans looked more consolidated during the conventions, but as soon as the post-convention popular landscape was surveyed, and Republicans realized it was a historic dud, they suddenly leaped back at each others throats. More and more prominent Republicans fracture and publicly endorse Trump since Hanna broke rank, and now Trump is fueling the schism. Hell, he can't even maintain a solid front with his own VP on a single issue, it seems.

Meanwhile, it's all blue:
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/ep...s/general_election_trump_vs_clinton-5491.html
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My feelings to this polls. Look at my avatar.
 
New Florida poll has Trump polling at 13% with Florida Hispanics. Romney lost Florida with 39% of Hispanic voters.
 
Trump is the culmination of something they've played around with but never fully and nakedly embraced. Lee Atwater and Pat Buchanan were some. This nativist, nationalist part of the part. Palin, tea party and now trump. I think its because older white people feel pushed out and don't have the same influence they did before. They feel marginalized.

The craziest thing is that it wasn't even close. It's not like Trump barely edged out a bunch of rational, sane contenders.

The guy that came in at #2 is probably even more dangerous. Cruz is far smarter and less vulgar than Trump but far more of a zealot. He's like a younger and even more evil Dick Cheney.

When both your #1 and #2 guys are both so outrageously right-wing, you know it's bad news for your party (and country).
 
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