Chinese virus from a Wuhan laboratory?

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7437 said:
No, and a tiny bit of research shows that we checked.

https://www.sciencenews.org/article/coronavirus-covid-19-not-human-made-lab-genetic-analysis-nature

The tiniest bit of effort to be informed. Literally anything beyond pure facebook as your news sourc .
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I appreciate these stories, but IMO they are not conclusive at all. I am seeing phrases like "might have" and "they wouldn't have done it like that" and "it looks like it could be" and "unlikely" and shit like that. The article you post is swarming with them. It's just not good enough to draw a definitive conclusion. We don't know what goes on in that fucking lab!
 


Note: The Epoch Times is ran by Chinese who are anti-CCP. You can evaluate the info yourself.
 
Cuauhtemoc said:
Yes, these "science" websites are either Chinese bought, too PC(imagine if the virus came from a white country like Russia or god forbid Hungary) to be objective or straight up stupid.
Their logic goes like this:
1-The Virus is not a bioweapon
2-Hence it wasn't created on the Wuhan Institute of Virology(WIV)
3-Checkmate racists trump supporters
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Now, the circumstantial evidence is that the virus comes from Yunnan bats. Yet the initial outbreak happened in Wuhan, 1,000 miles from Yunnan. Coincidentally there is the WIV in Wuhan that was studying Yunnan bats. They had people hunting bats, possibly getting infected in Yunnan and bringing it to Wuhan.
Richard H. Ebright is an American scientists that seems to have helped to establish the Wuhan laboratory, probably as a consultant.
I can't be sure it's him on twitter but take a look:
https://twitter.com/R_H_Ebright
Also, from wikipedia:


Class solidarity or did the Chinese buy him? I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt and it seems his scientist animus is taking over because he is now suspecting(and that's what scientists do, investigate and question) the WIV may be at fault.
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https://www.gokunming.com/en/blog/item/4457/forest-fires-ignite-across-yunnan

http://www.xinhuanet.com/english/2020-04/03/c_138943507.htm

its okay, the forest the bats came from just coincidentally had a massive fire, we’re all safe from mutant bats again
 
22k said:
the gap between man & machine is getting smaller. or, it's already been accomplished - man has merged with machine & the public just has no knowledge of it yet (RE: Elon Musk's Neuralink etc.).

there's going to be a time in the future where computer/digital viruses will be able to infect living organisms.

cyborg or not - viruses will become that sophisticated.

it scares me yet at the same time it saddens me that this probably won't happen in our lifetime.
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Right now, nation states have developed the ability to destroy all life on Earth. Eventually, probably this century, technology will develop to the point that every individual has the ability to destroy the world. This is one potential solution to the Fermi Paradox. Anyways, what can you do then to prevent that?
 
superpunch said:
Right now, nation states have developed the ability to destroy all life on Earth. Eventually, probably this century, technology will develop to the point that every individual has the ability to destroy the world. This is one potential solution to the Fermi Paradox. Anyways, what can you do then to prevent that?
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the stupidity of mankind is limitless - it knows no bounds.

we can't do anything, but learn from our mistakes, & there always will be mistakes.
 
22k said:
the stupidity of mankind is limitless - it knows no bounds.

we can't do anything, but learn from our mistakes, & there always will be mistakes.
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Seriously though, what can be done?
 
superpunch said:
Seriously though, what can be done? I personally see only one way to deal with it.
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I am serious though. nothing will/can be done because something terrible will happen/always happens. technology today doesn't advance - it evolves. it's almost like an organism. nothing is going to stop it. for all the good that technology does, it does far more harm because humans aren't perfect.
 
22k said:
I am serious though. nothing will/can be done because something terrible will happen/always happens. technology today doesn't advance - it evolves. it's almost like an organism. nothing is going to stop it. for all the good that technology does, it does far more harm because humans aren't perfect.
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You don't see any solutions? I can think of a few.
 
Gunny said:
Reading between the line of this reporting it sounds like our government is firmly convinced that the virus escaped from their lab but that they are currently in a diplomatic posture, trying to get China to fess up and engage with the world before outright accusing it of anything.

'Come clean': US presses China on coronavirus after lab reports
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That's one possibility. Another theory to why we would withhold such accusations is if we were privy to info about this virus and it's threat earlier than we would like to admit and finger pointing could bring that to light.

Interesting to see what comes out. I just have rarely seen Trump pull punches with China in the past.
 
n...not crazy said:
I appreciate these stories, but IMO they are not conclusive at all. I am seeing phrases like "might have" and "they wouldn't have done it like that" and "it looks like it could be" and "unlikely" and shit like that. The article you post is swarming with them. It's just not good enough to draw a definitive conclusion. We don't know what goes on in that fucking lab!
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Do you really think so? The study author is quoted saying when they started 'it was clear almost overnight this was not manmade'. As for the 'probable', 'likely' wording etc that's just typical scientific writing, due to the epistemological underpinnings of science. We never actually prove anything, so arguably it isn't correct to use the verb to be without a modifier (e.g. 'likely') when describing study findings.

There wouldn't be a way to definitively show this wasn't man made, its one of those prove a negative situations. What they are saying is that many of the parts being used are unknown, which would make it really unlikely.

Its like if you got a weird vegetable in China and wanted to figure out if it is GMO or a new natural species. If there are genes very similar to known ones from jellyfish, and bacteria, it is likely that it was a GMO. However if the new genes in it are vegetable origin but not related to known species, it is really unlikely it is GMO, but not impossible:
It would require the Chinese scientists to have 1) found new animal/plant species the rest of science didn't know of that were not closely related to anything else, 2) have kept them a secret before they knew there was anything useful in them, and 3) Put them together in ways that just aren't used in genetic modification science yet.

Going back to virus, scientists in China and elsewhere work full time to find new novel Coronaviruses + other potentially zoonotic disease causing virurses and sequence their genes, and they've published on thousands. Very unlikely the components in SARS-CoV-2 would be novel to us if it was manmade unless they've been keeping a massive research effort secret from the world somehow. It's giving mad scientists way too much credit, we know how advanced the gain-of-function research was in China as just a couple years ago the leader of work in the field was in the US.
 
IngaVovchanchyn said:
No, this isn't a conspiracy theory. It's valid and plausible.
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Agreed actually. This kind of thing was looming on the horizon for years now. If anything, pandemics are going to be more common and not less common and it's not shocking information at all that this was cooked up in a lab. Biological warfare research is a thing.
 
tonni said:
Agreed actually. This kind of thing was looming on the horizon for years now. If anything, pandemics are going to be more common and not less common and it's not shocking information at all that this was cooked up in a lab. Biological warfare research is a thing.
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The most likely scenario is that they found it, tried studying it, and inadvertently a scientist was infected and the infection spread to others in the lab, then the population as a whole.

the real question after that becomes, if they weren’t studying viruses in that lab, would humans be in contact with the virus now? I believe we wouldn’t be dealing with it at all, as one of the early Chinese whistleblowers thought humans wouldn’t normally make contact with this disease
 
floivanus said:
The most likely scenario is that they found it, tried studying it, and inadvertently a scientist was infected and the infection spread to others in the lab, then the population as a whole.

the real question after that becomes, if they weren’t studying viruses in that lab, would humans be in contact with the virus now? I believe we wouldn’t be dealing with it at all, as one of the early Chinese whistleblowers thought humans wouldn’t normally make contact with this disease
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It was bound to go wrong someday. All of these experiments will.
 
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