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Chimaev wants to fight Alex Pereira

Luffy said:
True, I think Tom is easier for Alex than Chimaev. But Alex isn't the type to vacate a belt if he wins....
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Tom an easier fight? Based on what? He's been taking apart all the ranked heavyweights in seconds.

I think Tom subs Poatan first round.
 
No, he needs to defend his title at least once, and Pereira should be the champ, then he may get the Topuria privilege.
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FrappeDuRocma said:
No, he needs to defend his title at least once, and Pereira should be the champ, then he may get the Topuria privilege.
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Remember that Poatan hunted the hunter 😉

So if it's someone like Khamzat, Tom or JJ who are going with full violence, expect the Poatan that fought Jiri Prochazka, in which case... Poatan is the Topuria and Khamzat/JJ are the Charles, I'm serious...

Poatan is a Muslim, I think the respect he has for Ankalaev changes his approach in how he fights him. Like Ankalaev said, "Alex, as a Muslim yourself, you should know betting isn't allowed. We can do things together after the fight" ... But if the situation gets ruthless, like, he needs to beat Ankalaev next, then he will be Chama Alex. In fact, they realized Ankalaev also wasn't totally naive, he had some excessive praying to help him as well. That's why Ankalaev went from "no chama" to saying "I'm waiting for CHAMA in my next fight"... So he invited chama Poatan. Poatan accepted.

Ankalaev will likely also be better for the rematch like Alex. Ankalaev will be full on the Russian beard power and Alex Pereira will be the stone face chama... Which is why Alex Pereira likely beats Ank next. But whether he waits for Chimaev to get one defense against, who knows, Imavov, Caio Borralho, or Pereira goes up to HW and beats the winner of Tom and Gane, that's up to him, but yeah, Pereira would likely be the Topuria vs Tom who'd be the Charles. Levels are different.
 
cmw43 said:
Tom an easier fight? Based on what? He's been taking apart all the ranked heavyweights in seconds.

I think Tom subs Poatan first round.
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Yep. Those HWs were never champions, and not even #1 ranked opponents, except for Sergei. Curtis had been KO'd 4x before, Arlovski was 43 yo... Sergei was the only good win vs an opponent on a streak.

The rest, he fought opponents who wouldn't even be #1 contender in the current era. Just based off the fact that Gane is the tougher opponent (as Tom himself said) that he'll face, with Tom saying he thinks him and Gane when Gane is 100% (he was injured vs Volkov 2 according to him) are very evenly matched, with hi saying he has a slight edge... Then we know Tom isn't that huge best them all monster... Gane himself was rated by Tom in a difficulty scale as 8 in 10, the same as Hill... He rated himself as 8.5 (same as Jiri Prochazka)

... If Pereira can make HW weight easily — which he can, as he weighs 245 lbs naturally, without any body fat, being just a stronger version if his LHW self — then that's an easier match up than Ankalaev. Tom hasn't proven TD like Ankalaev, who trained Sambo for ~20 years. Tom admitted as such that he needs to work on his wrestling, by calling Craig Jones. He admitted his wrestling to avoid TDs and get TDs needed improvements and wasn't at a level from guys like Ankalaev. He has 100% TD success but how many times did he shoot? Twice... So very low sample. Pereira has proven TDD in an elite level vs someone who has been a part of sambo competitions (Ankalaev) but who's so good at striking, that he rarely uses his wrestling. Only when the opponent is not an opponent he can win with striking, will he shoot. In fact, every opponent he tried and needed to take down, he did. He took Jan Blackowski down easily while deciding to grapple only in the 4th round in one leg...

... Vs Pereira, he shot for a TD as soon as the first round, was stopped. He shot 2x in the third rounds, was stopped and dropped himself once. He shot for TDs 7x in the 4th round (a record of chain wrestling on LHW in a single round)... Didn't get one take down, did minimal damage on the fence and won the round mainly by area control... In the last second, Pereira took him down with an inside trip, but the clock ran out as soon as Pereira dropped him. In the fifth round after Pereira damaged him (as Alex was more confident with his striking seeing how his TDD and grappling was elite), Ankalaev tried 2x TDs again in the last minute, couldn't get it and the round ended

And even with Pereira fighting with a viral infection, Ankalaev was more gassed than him in the fifth round, when Ankalaev is also a cardio machine... And analysts and bettors said post fight "the 49-46 card was an outlier and off. It was a very close 48-47 slightly to Ankalaev but that could go either way. Almost a coin flip. That's why based on data analysis we had Ankalaev 52% vs 48% Alex " — that means a very close fight against an Alex Pereira who was injured.

... That's far more proof that Pereira has shown (beating 5 former world champions all except one way younger than him) than Tom, who didn't even fight the #1 fighter from HW in an era that is way weaker than current LHW —> just look at Jon Jones having trouble with Santos and Reyes but icing Gane in a single round... And Gane is still the. #1 contender despite not even training seriously and doing movies. What about Reyes/Santos (who JJ himself said we're tougher opponents than Cyril Gane, pre Gane fight)? Are not even within the top 5 of current LHW... Which shows current LHW is an evolved era from the one which was giving a younger JJ some problems vs an era of HW weaker than the Smith/Santos/Reyes/Jiri Prochazka era...

Same way Jiri was seen as 50/50 vs JJ as soon as Jiri beat Volkan and Reyes within 2 rounds (coming off a 20 W streak in Glory too), Aspinall is also seen as 50/50 with current JJ. That's why Tom like said by the other member here, is an easier fight for Alex than Ankalaev. That's why Tom instead of accepting to fight Alex, said "I think Alex should rematch Ankalaev, I just think that. I don't think about the most dangerous fights right now, if I lose, I want to have done everything I could"... Then he picked Gane.

You all underrate Pereira when even underperforming a little, he had a very even fight vs an elite modern LHW Ankalaev. That's the problem with mma fans, they lack objectivity... And underrate someone — Pereira — who may very well be the #1 pfp in a year from now....

Khamzat is more like teasing a future fight I think. He knows Pereira should accept, but... I think he also knows it's the toughest fight he could have right now and would rather not. I don't know if he truly thinks he can beat Alex Pereira. I mean he thinks he can, but I really think he knows that fight is hell for him.
 
Unheralded Truth said:
This place is strange. When Chimaev was forced back to middleweight maybe two years ago, and Pereira just had become a huge
name there (and champ), there were actual plans on making this fight and some initial negotiations started.

If I remember correctly, people here were also into it back then for sake of seeing Pereira (a "REAL" MW) showing Chimaev how
there are levels to this, and that Khamzat stands no chance - as he couldn't even finish somebody who had fought at LW previously.

Did Ankalaev take away all the hope people had in Alex? I'm hearing very different tunes in here now.
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Yeah, that's it.... Ppl are strange.
 
Luffy said:
Yep. Those HWs were never champions, and not even #1 ranked opponents, except for Sergei. Curtis had been KO'd 4x before, Arlovski was 43 yo... Sergei was the only good win vs an opponent on a streak.

The rest, he fought opponents who wouldn't even be #1 contender in the current era. Just based off the fact that Gane is the tougher opponent (as Tom himself said) that he'll face, with Tom saying he thinks him and Gane when Gane is 100% (he was injured vs Volkov 2 according to him) are very evenly matched, with hi saying he has a slight edge... Then we know Tom isn't that huge best them all monster... Gane himself was rated by Tom in a difficulty scale as 8 in 10, the same as Hill... He rated himself as 8.5 (same as Jiri Prochazka)

... If Pereira can make HW weight easily — which he can, as he weighs 245 lbs naturally, without any body fat, being just a stronger version if his LHW self — then that's an easier match up than Ankalaev. Tom hasn't proven TD like Ankalaev, who trained Sambo for ~20 years. Tom admitted as such that he needs to work on his wrestling, by calling Craig Jones. He admitted his wrestling to avoid TDs and get TDs needed improvements and wasn't at a level from guys like Ankalaev. He has 100% TD success but how many times did he shoot? Twice... So very low sample. Pereira has proven TDD in an elite level vs someone who has been a part of sambo competitions (Ankalaev) but who's so good at striking, that he rarely uses his wrestling. Only when the opponent is not an opponent he can win with striking, will he shoot. In fact, every opponent he tried and needed to take down, he did. He took Jan Blackowski down easily while deciding to grapple only in the 4th round in one leg...

... Vs Pereira, he shot for a TD as soon as the first round, was stopped. He shot 2x in the third rounds, was stopped and dropped himself once. He shot for TDs 7x in the 4th round (a record of chain wrestling on LHW in a single round)... Didn't get one take down, did minimal damage on the fence and won the round mainly by area control... In the last second, Pereira took him down with an inside trip, but the clock ran out as soon as Pereira dropped him. In the fifth round after Pereira damaged him (as Alex was more confident with his striking seeing how his TDD and grappling was elite), Ankalaev tried 2x TDs again in the last minute, couldn't get it and the round ended

And even with Pereira fighting with a viral infection, Ankalaev was more gassed than him in the fifth round, when Ankalaev is also a cardio machine... And analysts and bettors said post fight "the 49-46 card was an outlier and off. It was a very close 48-47 slightly to Ankalaev but that could go either way. Almost a coin flip. That's why based on data analysis we had Ankalaev 52% vs 48% Alex " — that means a very close fight against an Alex Pereira who was injured.

... That's far more proof that Pereira has shown (beating 5 former world champions all except one way younger than him) than Tom, who didn't even fight the #1 fighter from HW in an era that is way weaker than current LHW —> just look at Jon Jones having trouble with Santos and Reyes but icing Gane in a single round... And Gane is still the. #1 contender despite not even training seriously and doing movies. What about Reyes/Santos (who JJ himself said we're tougher opponents than Cyril Gane, pre Gane fight)? Are not even within the top 5 of current LHW... Which shows current LHW is an evolved era from the one which was giving a younger JJ some problems vs an era of HW weaker than the Smith/Santos/Reyes/Jiri Prochazka era...

Same way Jiri was seen as 50/50 vs JJ as soon as Jiri beat Volkan and Reyes within 2 rounds (coming off a 20 W streak in Glory too), Aspinall is also seen as 50/50 with current JJ. That's why Tom like said by the other member here, is an easier fight for Alex than Ankalaev. That's why Tom instead of accepting to fight Alex, said "I think Alex should rematch Ankalaev, I just think that. I don't think about the most dangerous fights right now, if I lose, I want to have done everything I could"... Then he picked Gane.

You all underrate Pereira when even underperforming a little, he had a very even fight vs an elite modern LHW Ankalaev. That's the problem with mma fans, they lack objectivity... And underrate someone — Pereira — who may very well be the #1 pfp in a year from now....

Khamzat is more like teasing a future fight I think. He knows Pereira should accept, but... I think he also knows it's the toughest fight he could have right now and would rather not. I don't know if he truly thinks he can beat Alex Pereira. I mean he thinks he can, but I really think he knows that fight is hell for him.
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Tom said in the exact words you're using that he and Gane are "very evenly matched"? Can you show that one? Video with timestamp or link to where he's quoted? Really interesting quote if he said those words. And those ratings too, along with the specific question or criteria presented.
 
Luffy said:
Yep. Those HWs were never champions, and not even #1 ranked opponents, except for Sergei. Curtis had been KO'd 4x before, Arlovski was 43 yo... Sergei was the only good win vs an opponent on a streak.

The rest, he fought opponents who wouldn't even be #1 contender in the current era. Just based off the fact that Gane is the tougher opponent (as Tom himself said) that he'll face, with Tom saying he thinks him and Gane when Gane is 100% (he was injured vs Volkov 2 according to him) are very evenly matched, with hi saying he has a slight edge... Then we know Tom isn't that huge best them all monster... Gane himself was rated by Tom in a difficulty scale as 8 in 10, the same as Hill... He rated himself as 8.5 (same as Jiri Prochazka)

... If Pereira can make HW weight easily — which he can, as he weighs 245 lbs naturally, without any body fat, being just a stronger version if his LHW self — then that's an easier match up than Ankalaev. Tom hasn't proven TD like Ankalaev, who trained Sambo for ~20 years. Tom admitted as such that he needs to work on his wrestling, by calling Craig Jones. He admitted his wrestling to avoid TDs and get TDs needed improvements and wasn't at a level from guys like Ankalaev. He has 100% TD success but how many times did he shoot? Twice... So very low sample. Pereira has proven TDD in an elite level vs someone who has been a part of sambo competitions (Ankalaev) but who's so good at striking, that he rarely uses his wrestling. Only when the opponent is not an opponent he can win with striking, will he shoot. In fact, every opponent he tried and needed to take down, he did. He took Jan Blackowski down easily while deciding to grapple only in the 4th round in one leg...

... Vs Pereira, he shot for a TD as soon as the first round, was stopped. He shot 2x in the third rounds, was stopped and dropped himself once. He shot for TDs 7x in the 4th round (a record of chain wrestling on LHW in a single round)... Didn't get one take down, did minimal damage on the fence and won the round mainly by area control... In the last second, Pereira took him down with an inside trip, but the clock ran out as soon as Pereira dropped him. In the fifth round after Pereira damaged him (as Alex was more confident with his striking seeing how his TDD and grappling was elite), Ankalaev tried 2x TDs again in the last minute, couldn't get it and the round ended

And even with Pereira fighting with a viral infection, Ankalaev was more gassed than him in the fifth round, when Ankalaev is also a cardio machine... And analysts and bettors said post fight "the 49-46 card was an outlier and off. It was a very close 48-47 slightly to Ankalaev but that could go either way. Almost a coin flip. That's why based on data analysis we had Ankalaev 52% vs 48% Alex " — that means a very close fight against an Alex Pereira who was injured.

... That's far more proof that Pereira has shown (beating 5 former world champions all except one way younger than him) than Tom, who didn't even fight the #1 fighter from HW in an era that is way weaker than current LHW —> just look at Jon Jones having trouble with Santos and Reyes but icing Gane in a single round... And Gane is still the. #1 contender despite not even training seriously and doing movies. What about Reyes/Santos (who JJ himself said we're tougher opponents than Cyril Gane, pre Gane fight)? Are not even within the top 5 of current LHW... Which shows current LHW is an evolved era from the one which was giving a younger JJ some problems vs an era of HW weaker than the Smith/Santos/Reyes/Jiri Prochazka era...

Same way Jiri was seen as 50/50 vs JJ as soon as Jiri beat Volkan and Reyes within 2 rounds (coming off a 20 W streak in Glory too), Aspinall is also seen as 50/50 with current JJ. That's why Tom like said by the other member here, is an easier fight for Alex than Ankalaev. That's why Tom instead of accepting to fight Alex, said "I think Alex should rematch Ankalaev, I just think that. I don't think about the most dangerous fights right now, if I lose, I want to have done everything I could"... Then he picked Gane.

You all underrate Pereira when even underperforming a little, he had a very even fight vs an elite modern LHW Ankalaev. That's the problem with mma fans, they lack objectivity... And underrate someone — Pereira — who may very well be the #1 pfp in a year from now....

Khamzat is more like teasing a future fight I think. He knows Pereira should accept, but... I think he also knows it's the toughest fight he could have right now and would rather not. I don't know if he truly thinks he can beat Alex Pereira. I mean he thinks he can, but I really think he knows that fight is hell for him.
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Damn, how fast do you type?
 
Yeah I wan to see Pereira vs Ank and then at HW. That's the path. And whoever wins between Tom and Gane, if Pereira beats Ankalaev (which I think he will), then we likely have Tom (I think he beats Gane like in 2 or 3 rounds) vs Jon Jones...

... I think JJ wins, like in a decision. Like Chimaev vs DDP, likely tougher. Then I think JJ defeating Tom, we would have Alex Pereira vs Tom firstly imo (like Topuria fought someone firstly with Charles) and then we'd have the final HW clash...

... Against who then? Because I think Pereira beats Ank and Tom, and I also think JJ beats Tom. Then Pereira vs Jon Jones would be THE fight like DDP vs Chimaev was.

However, is that the biggest fight? I'd say Jon Jones should retire, as well as Khamzat should defend his MW title and we get the biggest fight in HW —> Alex Pereira vs Ankalaev 3. I think that's a better fight in terms of competitiveness. Sadly, I see Alex Pereira and Ankalaev like Topuria and Islam Makhachev...

Topuria is in an alternate universe in which Alex didn't fight Ankalaev and went on to face Tom, like Topuria faced Charles Oliveira. Topuria vs Arman = Alex Pereira vs Jon Jones / Chimaev imo... However, I see Topuria and Alex Pereira as the favourite in both fights (since much like Arman beat Charles in a competitive fight, I don't think JJ would walk through Tom, it'd be like an Arman vs Charles type of fight imo, a tough UD)... While I think Alex vs Tom is like Alex vs Jiri Prochazka, a round 2/ 3 TKO for Alex Pereira. Same way Ankalaev would also get Tom quickly imo.

So... Alex Pereira vs Ankalaev IMO is the biggest fight in terms of skills and competitiveness right now much like Topuria vs Islam Makhachev would be. Problem though, do fans see Ankalaev like Islam Makhachev? They do not. Which is the problem, you have the likely best fighters in UFC that would likely beat any fighter rn in Alex vs Ankalaev, but ppl don't look at Ank the same way they do with Islam Makhachev while Ank is just as good and dominant as Islam Makhachev is in LW, and Poatan like Topuria. It's what the UFC expected imo, but Alex Pereira vs Ankalaev just didn't make up for a huge hyped fight. Ankalaev tried, but for some reason his tweets would just never have the reach they should the most creative they were... He just can't for some reason break into a recognizable name. The UFC tried many times as they know he and Alex are gems in talent.

What can be done though? Ankalaev is also stoic, he isn't the type to do media and have those cold talks like Chimaev, DDP, or have those nice funny jokes like Islam and DC... Or be relatable like Tom. He only uses X and ppl say he doesn't care about media, that he just trains all day long. A shame because Alex vs Ankalaev should be the ultimate fight and is the ultimate fight, but won't be remembered as such. Ppl would see "ohh he struggled, they were 1-1"... The be like "wut? How did Ankalaev beat Pereira when he beat Tom and [perhaps...] JJ? What is Ankalaev? Well, he's the best alongside Alex Pereira, that's what he is...
 
Takes Two To Tango said:
Damn, how fast do you type?
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Lol very fast. I like typing.

Anyways, I think Alex Pereira vs Ankalaev 2 is in to be one of the best fights of LHW... It seems to be a near even fight and maybe a future hall of fame... Maybe a JJ vs Gus 1 kind of fight. Ankalaev said "prepare yourselves for the best fight and big show of the night!" ... Alex had said "In HW we don't have a decision or fighters willing to fight that much, this fight vs Ankalaev I'm giving everything and I'll burn everything to get a win. If I win, I will fight against anyone the UFC wants me to fight. I'm confident I'm getting the belt back. But anyways, whether I win or not, I'm leaving every flame there in this fight, this is the ultimate fight"

... I hope this fight had the hype it so much deserves, those two are too good...
 
mkess101 said:
Tom said in the exact words you're using that he and Gane are "very evenly matched"? Can you show that one? Video with timestamp or link to where he's quoted? Really interesting quote if he said those words. And those ratings too, along with the specific question or criteria presented.
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Yes sir :



I think it's already set in it. But if it's not (11 minutes, 15 seconds until 30 seconds)

😉

11:22 —> "I think we are very very evenly matched"
 
Only Here for Attachments said:
Maybe if Khamzat KOs two GOAT candidates back to back like Ilia did :p
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Pereira is a goat candidate. This Illia stuff is more like noisy but cool. Alex Pereira if he decides to move up will be the First champ champ champ. You all should be paying attention to him who's not saying anything... But is the silent killer of the UFC ...
 
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