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There’s a cat missing in our neighborhood who’s been declawed
Poor guy is defenseless out there
Poor guy is defenseless out there
As opposed to your impeccable scholarly sources.Those graphs don't include habitat loss which is the primary factor.
Probably the best peer reviewed scholarly article you will find in the last few years:As opposed to your impeccable scholarly sources.
Yeah, fuck wild bird populations being decimated by domesticated cats. Great job California.
Are the birds also being de-winged in California or something?
Cause that seems like a problem with a pretty simple solution
LMAO!
Could you briefly sum up the methodology(ies)?I'm giving you peer reviewed scholarly articles. You're giving me an opinion piece by a cat advocacy group that uses numerous citations to put on the appearance of a scholarly article, but cites more sources against its hypothesis than for its hypothesis, and then just offers critiques of these sources and tries to pass that off as scholarship.
Look, I have little doubt that following cats around to estimate how many birds they are killing is a tall order, and that the data is messy. But same for the affects of pesticides or birds flying into windows. I teach on the third floor of my school, and have seen my share of birds hit the window. I've never had a researcher in a lab coat show up and write it down. But despite all of that, the overwhelming scientific consensus is that cats are the primary cause of population declines in song birds in North America.
I don't mind you holding the contrarian view on this, and I'm even willing to admit that the contrarian view might pan out to be the consensus view at some point in the future. It happens. But let's not go and pretend I'm the one who is putting forth the contrarian view in the moment. I simply presented the scientific consensus view, and some of you are acting like I'm presenting some sort of conspiratorial lunacy.
Yeah, fuck wild bird populations being decimated by domesticated cats. Great job California.
Well if you're doing a Donald Trump impression you're not going to sound smart! lol.He's still doing the Trump style posts?? The content reads like it was written by Alex Jones' retarded brother ffs
Between my mother's and my sister's house, we've taken care of a ton of feral cats. Shout out to:Could you briefly sum up the methodology(ies)?
Have domestic cats with free roaming (how much roaming is this per the studies roughly) increased commensurate to the bird pop decline increase? I'll have to look through this just looking for the gist.
Mine is an absolute bastard about it. He hunts the smaller birds in and around three boxwood bushes in my front yard. Generally house sparrows. I have bird feeders on my back deck ; he will also chase the squirrels away. They go back into the tree and just start chirping their indignations.This claim's always sounded credible yet confusing to me.
Growing up had a cat for 20 years who was outside every day in a wooded area without any other cats nearby at all. She'd catch and lovingly deliver mice, moles, chipmunks and rabbits and eff up the occasional garter snake.
Never once did she snag a bird. And there were a crazy amount of them with the birdfeeders going most of the year.
Probably the best peer reviewed scholarly article you will find in the last few years:
If the link doesn't work, it's called "State of the World’s Birds" published in 2022, in the journal Annual Review of Environment and Resources.
Basically it outlines that the top 4 causes of bird biodiversity loss across the world (ranked in order) are:
1) Resource industries (logging, hunting/trapping, fishing, etc.)
2) Agriculture (farming)
3) Climate Change
4) Invasive & problematic species (cats are here)
Between my mother's and my sister's house, we've taken care of a ton of feral cats. Shout out to:
Hobo, Six Toes, Pepper, Momma, Benjamin, Samantha, Panther, Brave, Doof, Big, Benjamin, Gary, Cry Baby and occasional visitor Petey.
LMAO!
You have cats?My two adult cats were from our shelter, our feral new kitten from outside. I didn't factor in anything to do with claws. A friend worked at a vets for 10 years and they would have to stay in for 2 nights to be monitored after declawing and the blood loss was crazy.
I know you're playing devil's advocate but there is nothing positive whatsoever about declawing.
Yea, as strange as it may sound, I'm not against culling feral cat populations. I just don't think we should be de-clawing our pets. If you're going to cull them, then cull them. But no need to torture them with chronic pain for their whole lives via de-clawing.Feral Cats have devastated the bird population of Australia. there are native species extinct and on the verge of extinction because of them
the federal gov't pays bounties to shoot the creatures. i have been shocked how big some of these m'fers are in the wild after a couple of generations feral. I mean the size of them, plus the natural ferocity, they'd fucken terrify many dogs.
Sometimes you have to do it. As long as it is quick and not causing suffering, it's better than having them starve, be killed by coyotes, etc.your first sentence made me think 'take care of' meant like with a .22 or something![]()
My first question is how big of an impact is that? I haven’t the slightest idea how many birds are in the US. My second is why is it only now becoming a problem since cats have been in the US for like 500 years now@fingercuffs
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Feral Cats and Wild Birds - Yolo Bird Alliance
A recent study by the Smithsonian Institution and the US Fish and Wildlife Service estimated that domestic cats kill about 2.4 billion birds and 12.3 billion small mammals each year […]yolobirdalliance.org
Why so quiet?
Luckily(depending on where you live, I guess), they don't have many natural predators. Might have a harder time being a predator themselves though, and will have to put in some extra effort hunting their own food. I'd be more worried about it getting hit be a car, than getting taken out by a coyote or whatever.There’s a cat missing in our neighborhood who’s been declawed
Poor guy is defenseless out there
They also kill shit just for fun and fuck around with the corpses. So, it's not like they are only hunting for food.My first question is how big of an impact is that? I haven’t the slightest idea how many birds are in the US. My second is why is it only now becoming a problem since cats have been in the US for like 500 years now
I can believe they’re destructive though. Cats kill the largest variety of species in the world. They’re also incredibly effective hunters