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Cajun said:
Because the thread is about Gavin and Cali... and declawing imo
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No, the thread is about de-clawing cats. It's not an invitation to say Gavin Newsom can't win the 2028 election. It's not an invitation to bring in AOC. It's not an invitation to trash Democrats as a whole. This is precisely what MAGA do constantly: make everything political, and turn around and act shocked when people reply to them with political criticism.

I already stated my stance on de-clawing cats earlier in the thread:

It's inhumane and it doesn't solve the problem. De-clawed cats can still reproduce if not spayed/neutered. The real solution is reducing wild cat populations, spaying/neutering pets, and keeping them indoors. It's inhumane to let a de-clawed cat outside anyway, so if you are keeping your cat indoors (as you should be), then you shouldn't de-claw it.
 
BudKing8806 said:
We've got one because my wife wanted a kitten about 10 years ago. He started out inside but he would fuck up potted plants and stuff. I don't know if he was trying to piss/shit in the flower pots or if he was just messing with them. Anyway he got his ass moved outside and seems to be pretty happy with it. He does get on our vehicles which is a pain but overall he's pretty cool. He even fetches squirrels when I hit them with the air rifle to keep them from stealing pecans.
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My boys want one to cuddle and sleep with I imagine. Think im gonna have to sell them on a dog
 
Alpha_T83 said:
I'm assuming he's talking about circumcision? MAGA is popping off that circumcision has been linked to autism, so they're all flapping their gums about it like the brainless idiots they are.
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Nah, he was trying to tie in the lie that kids are having their wieners chopped off.
 
Gutter Chris said:
I don't really feel strongly about it one way or another ...I was just speculating on if it effects adoption man. What percent of them get declawed ? Also how is declawing an animal barbaric but castration isn't? I'd rather loose my nails . Is that next ?

I hate cats they wreck your shit with their claws and piss all over everything and they aren't welcome in my home claws or not. Just so you know the angle I'm looking at this from
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Declawing is they remove the first knuckle, so it can really mess with them. Cats are digitgeade (they walk on their toes) vs Humans that are plantigrade (we walk on the platform of our feet).

So yes, it is more barbaric than sterilizing your cat.

Cats require certain things, and when you don’t supply it you get the problems you’re suggesting. Outside of a few medical issues over the years, my cats have never pissed in the house. As for scratching, they have plenty of toys and cat furniture for that.


Edit. Declawed cats often have other behavioral issues due to this process as well. They often become biters and often turn to spite peeing and pooping because the litter box becomes uncomfortable after the procedure.
 
newsome is an absolute piece of shit, cats or not, doesnt matter, hes still a scumbag, as are the rest of the people running california, or any other state, or country for that matter. Slick, sleazy, two-faced politicians are completely terrible people and newsome might as well be the poster child
 
Alpha_T83 said:
It's not a strawman argument, but it is a logical fallacy. It's a "whataboutism" or Tu quoque ("you too").

A stronger argument is that while it’s true outdoor pet cats with claws can harm ecosystems, de-clawing doesn’t solve that problem. If two de-clawed cats escape and reproduce, their offspring will be feral cats with claws, continuing the same ecological damage.The real solution is responsible pet management: Spaying or neutering cats and keeping them indoors or in enclosed outdoor spaces. That approach prevents both ecological harm and animal suffering, achieving the goal without resorting to cruelty.

Moreover, de-clawing is inhumane in both scenarios: If you keep cats indoors, it causes chronic pain and behavioral problems for your own personal benefit; if you let them outdoors, they have the same pain, and it leaves them defenseless and vulnerable to injury. In either case, it’s an unethical and unnecessary practice.
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I literally have a house cat (with claws)
He’s a prefect mouser. If he does get out he has killed. Mice (and tortured) ,baby bunnies, baby birds, frogs,I have seen him take out a grasshopper ffs. People burying heads in the sand in here.
 
Belaya Smert said:
I literally have a house cat (with claws)
He’s a prefect mouser. If he does get out he has killed. Mice (and tortured) ,baby bunnies, baby birds, frogs,I have seen him take out a grasshopper ffs. People burying heads in the sand in here.
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Yes, my ex had two cats, also with claws. And when they got loose, they also killed small animals.

What is the point? That we should torture cats by cutting off the equivalent of half their fingers, even if we plan on keeping them indoors? If that's the point, then I disagree.
 
Alpha_T83 said:
Yes, my ex had two cats, also with claws. And when they got loose, they also killed small animals.

What is the point? That we should torture cats by cutting off the equivalent of half their fingers, even if we plan on keeping them indoors? If that's the point, then I disagree.
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*Off


The point is the state government shouldn’t mandate the requirement purposed.
It had underlying negative consequence that from the first link I initially posted in the chat (which was 2013).
Song bird population has been in steep decline for a number of years as cited and it is inhumane to pass legislation that will result in the culling of more song birds.
The fact this went through in California kind of surprised me a little.
 
Belaya Smert said:
I literally have a house cat (with claws)
He’s a prefect mouser. If he does get out he has killed. Mice (and tortured) ,baby bunnies, baby birds, frogs,I have seen him take out a grasshopper ffs. People burying heads in the sand in here.
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Why does he get out if he's a house cat? How frequently does he escape and for how long?

I would love to see some stats on the decimation of the bird population and the need to declaw cats as a result.
 
Belaya Smert said:
*Off


The point is the state government shouldn’t mandate the requirement purposed.
It had underlying negative consequence that from the first link I initially posted in the chat (which was 2013).
Song bird population has been in steep decline for a number of years as cited and it is inhumane to pass legislation that will result in the culling of more song birds.
The fact this went through in California kind of surprised me a little.
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I typed *off if you were trying to correct my grammar. Re-read your quote of me.

Mass de-clawing of pet cats won't even fix this problem. The majority issue here is feral cat populations, which can't easily be de-clawed. And again, as I said before, the answer to that problem is managing the cat population by capturing, spaying, and neutering feral cats, and also having pet cats spayed/neutered. That way we reduce the overall feral cat population. Then it's just a matter of people keeping their pets indoors.

Nothing is going to prevent irresponsible cat owners from letting their de-clawed cats outside, but education can help.

Whereas de-clawing cats causes unnecessary suffering either way. You definitely should not let de-clawed cats outside, unable to defend themselves. And if you are keeping your spayed/neutered cat inside, no need to de-claw.
 
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