Chechen fans watching UFC

[Was at Pride GP 2000]

Wish USA was more like Chechnya




Would also be cool if we supported our own that way too

I don't think you know about the wars and savage lands you want to be like.

 

[Coolidge]

never mind that formerly anti Russian conservatives in America began to transform 2 years ago, suddenly aligning with all of Putin's interests regarding all his global positions- Syria, Ukraine, Turkey, Brexit, Trump...going so far as to support the Iran-Iraq-Syria Pipeline. You yourself may have unwittingly shilled for Gazprom and not realized it was planted in your head from persusasive trolls and memes.

Sure, every major power is doing this now, but Russia seems to have the most effective "cyber corps" at the moment.

Never mind the fact that liberals and Barack Obama laughed at the Republican nominee and told him that 'the 80s want their foreign policy back' when he dared suggest that Russia was America's greatest geopolitical foe. Never mind that Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton, and other liberal elite supported strengthening our relationship with Russia (Hillary was all smiles for her 'reset' photo-op with the Russian representative) and even signed off on a major uranium deal that greatly benefited them. Now all of sudden our entire democracy is in peril and Russia is an existential threat. What happened to the snarky quip about 80s era anti-Soviet policy? Russia wasn't this great bogeyman figure until Donald Trump trounced your candidate in the last election.

This is the rhetoric of a 9/11 Troofer conspiracy tard. I'll assume you're a paid poster working on behalf of Hillary Clinton, Angela Merkel, Emmanuel Macron, the European Union, and all the rest.

 

[bad seed]

This is the rhetoric of a 9/11 Troofer conspiracy tard. I'll assume you're a paid poster working on behalf of Hillary Clinton, Angela Merkel, Macron, and the rest.

Theyre all WAAAAY to the right of me. I consider them all neocons.

 

[Sakuraba7]

Never mind the fact that liberals and Barack Obama laughed at the Republican nominee and told him that 'the 80s want their foreign policy back' when he dared suggest that Russia was America's greatest geopolitical foe. Never mind that Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton, and other liberal elite supported strengthening our relationship with Russia (That 'reset' photo-op between Hillary and the Russian represtantive was great) and even signed off on a major uranium deal that greatly benefited them. Russia wasn't this great bogeyman figure until Donald Trump trounced your candidate in the last election.

This is the rhetoric of a 9/11 Troofer conspiracy tard. I'll assume you're a paid poster working on behalf of Hillary Clinton, Angela Merkel, Macron, and the rest.

I agree with everything you're saying but what's it to do with 9/11 Truth? Or is it just because of the Alex Jones crazies who make it seem that way? 9/11 Truth, that is.

Theyre all WAAAAY to the right of me. I consider them all neocons.

See, both of you are confusing me. Since when have Neocons been 9/11 Truth? Aren't neocons the one's who used 9/11 to jumpstart the War on Terror and invade Iraq over lies that were unfounded?

 

[Coolidge]

I agree with everything you're saying but what's it to do with 9/11 Truth? Or is it just because of the Alex Jones crazies who make it seem that way? 9/11 Truth, that is.

He sounds paranoid and conspiratorial and automatically assumes that the people disagreeing with him are paid disinformation agents. Classic Troofer mentality. They blame the American government and/or Israel. He blames the Russian bogeyman. *cue spooky noise*

See, both of you are confusing me. Since when have Neocons been 9/11 Truth?

He's referring to the political leaders I mentioned, not the 9/11 part.

 

[Coolidge]

Theyre all WAAAAY to the right of me. I consider them all neocons.

That's frightening.

 

[Sakuraba7]

He sounds paranoid and conspiratorial and automatically assumes that the people disagreeing with him are paid disinformation agents. Classic Troofer mentality. They blame the American government and/or Israel. He blames the Russian bogeyman. *cue spooky noise*



He's referring to the political leaders I mentioned, not the 9/11 part.

Well, now we're just conflating a whole bunch of things together.
There's people who blame different other people. Each side according to their own conveniences.

Geopolitically, every major power's got their own agenda and doing bullshit. But i dont believe Russia hacked the elections and put Trump in power. Actually i believe Trump's the one who's attempting to use Russia as his pawn (not physically, but in sentiment), to make it seem like he's a peacemaker. Same as Obama before him.

As for inside jobs and Israeli meddling, these aren't things out of the realm of possibility. It happens. Israel has a powerful lobby, and the US has invaded countries using 9/11 and non-existent WMDs as an excuse.

I'll just leave it at that. No point for me to drag it any further. I agree with points from both of you, but i hope you two do NOT act or use those sentiments simply to blame "the other side" (bogeyman), rather than being introspective.

 

[Coolidge]

Being able to handle his critics in ANY way he pleases and with total impunity.

Oh, sort of like Fidel Castro? He's one of the many despots that the left idolizes. These are characteristics that the left projects onto Donald Trump because they happen to dislike his politics. I highly doubt he wishes that America was anything like Chechnya. But I can't say for sure that liberal Trudeau doesn't wish Canada was more like the totalitarian Cuba.

 

[bad seed]

He sounds paranoid and conspiratorial and automatically assumes that the people disagreeing with him are paid disinformation agents. Classic Troofer mentality. They blame the American government and/or Israel. He blames the Russian bogeyman. *cue spooky noise*



He's referring to the political leaders I mentioned, not the 9/11 part.

Well, I recognize that these psyops are basically just professional trolls using Twitter to rapidly frame a narrative and influence opinions. I'm not attributing some grand conspiratorial powers a la Illuminati to the FSB; just acknowledging the power of social media today in shaping political discourse. And this is done by all sides, with varying degrees of success.

 

[Coolidge]

Well, now we're just conflating a whole bunch of things together.
There's people who blame different other people. Each side according to their own conveniences.

Geopolitically, every major power's got their own agenda and doing bullshit. But i dont believe Russia hacked the elections and put Trump in power. Actually i believe Trump's the one who's attempting to use Russia as his pawn (not physically, but in sentiment), to make it seem like he's a peacemaker. Same as Obama before him.

As for inside jobs and Israeli meddling, these aren't things out of the realm of possibility. It happens. Israel has a powerful lobby, and the US has invaded countries using 9/11 and non-existent WMDs as an excuse.

I'll just leave it at that. No point for me to drag it any further. I agree with points from both of you, but i hope you two do NOT act or use those sentiments simply to blame "the other side" (bogeyman), rather than being introspective.

Well, you addressed it, so I have to comment on what was said. If the United States was going to carry out a false flag and use it as the pretext for war in Iraq and Afghanistan, they would've at least made sure that the 'attackers' were actually Iraqi and Afghan nationals, not the citizens of a major American ally in Saudi Arabia. And if they're powerful enough to orchestrate a terrorist attack on the scale of 9/11 and keep tens of thousands of people quiet about the real nature of the attack, then I think it would be fairly simple for them to make WMDs appear in Iraq.

As for Trump and Russia, I agree with you about the hacking and the legitimacy of the election. The Democrats lost the election because they ran the one person in the country that Americans hated more than the Republican nominee, which is a feat unto itself. The 'Russia hacked the election' narrative is bullshit.

 

[Sakuraba7]

Well, you addressed it, so I have to comment on what was said. If the United States was going to carry out a false flag and use it as the pretext for war in Iraq and Afghanistan, they would've at least made sure that the 'attackers' were actually Iraqi and Afghan nationals, not the citizens of a major American ally in Saudi Arabia. And if they're powerful enough to orchestrate a terrorist attack on the scale of 9/11 and keep tens of thousands of people quiet about the real nature of the attack, then I think it would be fairly simple for them to make WMDs appear in Iraq.

As for Trump and Russia, I agree with you about the hacking and the legitimacy of the election. The Democrats lost the election because they ran the one person in the country that Americans hated more than the Republican nominee, which is a feat unto itself. The 'Russia hacked the election' narrative is bullshit.

This is why I mentioned Alex Jones earlier. Inside jobs and False flags (barring 9/11) are a historical fact that I'm sure you would not disagree with. If someone can get away with something they may as well do it, just to blame another side. 'Jingoism' is closely connected to it. As for 9/11, there are many schools of thought and Jonestown represents one of the crazy but most vocal factions.

There are other schools of thought, that would compare the 9/11 incident akin to the USS Liberty incident. In that it was an attack that was noticed but allowed to take place (and the narrative closely maintained). 9/11 was largely a failure of the security apparatus, but you gotta "make the best out of any situation" we all know that.

"Never let a serious crisis go to waste" – Rahm Emanuel, mayor of Chicago.

 

[Venom]

Wish USA was more like Chechnya




Would also be cool if we supported our own that way too

Wish USA was more like Chechnya?

LOL just lol at the ignorance...it's a sport. Calm down.

 

[SRN]

Well I can't remember Taisumov kissing Kadyrov's ass or screaming АХМАТ СИЛА but from what I can remember his family is kinda wealthy - he said that during a war they send him for a year to study to South Africa. Adam Khaliev and I think Amagov wasn't kissing Kadyrov's butt. Maybe they said something positive but someone like Grishin or Malyutin (mma fighters) lick Kadyrov's butt 10 times more.

lol Akhmat cyla! Kadyrov is going overboard with his cult of personality imo.

I find Chechnya very intriguing, I can't help but wonder what's going to happen in a few decades. I think Kadyrov is getting too big and that's usually not a wise idea for a dictator.

edit: I forgot to add that almost nothing from Chechnya feels spontaneous anymore, I get the feeling that everyone is always just trying to please Kadyrov. I'm not so sure if all those people care about the UFC that much.

 

[The ScorpioN]

I remember Taisumov having an Austrian flag.

Why was that?

 

[Coolidge]

Well, I recognize that these psyops are basically just professional trolls using Twitter to rapidly frame a narrative and influence opinions. I'm not attributing some grand conspiratorial powers a la Illuminati to the FSB; just acknowledging the power of social media today in shaping political discourse. And this is done by all sides, with varying degrees of success.

You said you noticed a shift in the types of people and policies supported by 'conservatives'. That's the nature of politics. I thought it was unusual for the left to support Obama's decision to end 'wet foot, dry foot', a decision that left tons of people -- families -- in limbo and at risk of being sent to who knows where. I thought it was unusual for the left to suddenly support nation building efforts and regime change efforts in Egypt, Syria, and Libya. I thought it was unusual for the left to finance Syrian rebels after having spent decades claiming that Bin Laden was a CIA creation. I thought it was unusual for the left to embrace John McCain, a man they were calling a lunatic and a war-monger eight years earlier. I thought it was unusual for the left to turn against Russia after pursuing closer ties with them and mocking Mitt Romney's anti-Russia stance. People, policies, and ideological alliances change. Imagine that.

 

[elwani]

From what I've seen it's the same at soccer - you can hardly see any females at soccer matches in Grozny during broadcasts. While in Dagestan you can see local girls cheering for non-Dagestani teams.

HA HA HA girls aren't allowed the cheer, or go outside.

 

[yookfarb]

Sherdog is so blindly pro-"Russian" they can't even tell when they are supporting terrorist fringe groups that are barely (if at all) acknowledged by Moscow.

Way to go, Sherdog. :::thumbs up:::

It's not Khabibs fault he's from a ruthless part of the world

 

[LiveFreeorDie]

Probably a Mexican since no wall is being built?

oh god I hope not, they're gonna sprinkle those cucaracha spices on it.

 

[ArtemV]

Where are the fans cheering for Mairbek Taisumov? lmao, they dislike him because he escaped his republic to Austria? poor guy.

Also, I don't care for what sort of warlord Kadyrov is, or what he does to gays/other people.. it is his choice.

 

[PlayTheGame]

Khabib gets gifts and sponsorship from Kadyrov and Kadyrov gets to be homies with the most famous (currently) Russian athlete.

You gotta be kidding me.

Khabib doesn't hold a candle to Malkin, Ovechkin and Sharapova who are global superstars with major titles and sponsors. Hell, I think even Mozgov is more well-known worldwide.