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[PainIsLIfe]

And then?

And then nothing. Although the Catholic position has changed over the years, you are simply mistaken about early church teachings.

 

[kflo]

And then nothing. Although the Catholic position has changed over the years, you are simply mistaken about early church teachings.

No, I explained the teachings that existed for centuries. Yet people want to pretend there’s only one interpretation of Jesus teachings. It’s nonsense.

 

[DoctorTaco]

Reddit atheist bros to the rescue! I had no idea Jesus would be good with abortions.

At least they all go to heaven!

 

[Mr Holmes]

At least they all go to heaven!

 

[DoctorTaco]

Besides, romans 9 says god makes some vessels of glory and others for destruction and it’s his choice. Maybe that little aborted fetus was one of those vessels of wrath Paul was telling us about.

 

[DoctorTaco]

Yeah I know it’s ob
Yeah I know it’s obnoxious but it’s true.

 

[PainIsLIfe]

No, I explained the teachings that existed for centuries. Yet people want to pretend there’s only one interpretation of Jesus teachings. It’s nonsense.

No, you explained the views from 1200 - 1800 vhanged and pretended that those were always the views of the Church.

I'm more interested in 1st century views if I want claim God/Jesus approved of x. I don't really care what some 12th century pope thought if the idea is to know the mind of God.

 

[kflo]

No, you explained the views from 1200 - 1800 vhanged and pretended that those were always the views of the Church.

I'm more interested in 1st century views if I want claim God/Jesus approved of x. I don't really care what some 12th century pope thought if the idea is to know the mind of God.

I never said they were always the view of the church. I said they were the view of the church for at least centuries.

And you care what current / modern popes think so don’t try to argue you are strictly interpreting scripture and early teachings.

There was no church consensus in the first century.

 

[heloder]

Did social programs cause wages to unstagnate? That is why you claim the need for social programs.

Uh no, the need for social programs is because of poverty. You seem to be under the impression that welfare is supposed to end poverty. That's like saying cough syrup is supposed to end colds. If you want to end colds, then create a vaccine for the viruses that cause colds. Similarly, if you want to end poverty (or as near as is possible), you need to solve the problems that are causing it. Until you do that, then you will continue to have poverty, and you will continue to need welfare. Republicans don't want to do either of these things.

I honestly can't believe I'm having to explain this to an adult human being.

And if govt social programs have addressed it then why do I still have people showing up at the food bank and soup kitchen?

Are as many people showing up at food banks and soup kitchens as there would be if there was no social welfare? I know conservatives struggle immensely when dealing with anything other than absolutes (I'm serious about that), but there exist degrees of efficacy.

I dont say so, they Bible does.:

Brethren, if a man be overtaken in a fault, ye which are spiritual, restore such an one in the spirit of meekness; considering thyself, lest thou also be tempted.

These, then, are the things you should teach. Encourage and rebuke with all authority. Do not let anyone despise you.

Do you know the context of these passages? Because if you did, you would know that this isn't Jesus (or even Paul) telling everybody to hate, demean, vilify, or force others to do as he says. He's commanding Titus to teach, and teach within the church at that. The Bible repeatedly and explicitly says not to judge, control, or condemn your fellow man, but to love them. Even Jesus himself refuses to condemn or judge others, as that is God's domain alone.

This is the ultimate truth in Christianity. To judge and condemn others is to attempt to put yourself above Jesus himself.

And the Lord’s servant must not be quarrelsome but must be kind to everyone, able to teach, not resentful. Opponents must be gently instructed, in the hope that God will grant them repentance leading them to a knowledge of the truth.
Timothy 2:24-25

You just cited Christian doctrine as reason the govt should do something. Its a bit disingenuous to say well Christianity doesn't matter.

Being a decent person isn't a Christian principle. It just happens to coincide with one. It'd be nice if Christians began realizing that. The entire point of this debate was to point out that the Democratic party has more in common with Christian doctrine than the Republican, even though Christians predominantly vote for latter. Maybe you missed that part.