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[UberHere]

Look up unformed fetus….

That makes no sense. A fetus is a fully formed human. Why would I look up info that isn’t relevant to what we were discussing?

 

[kflo]

Praise sweet, fat, baby jesus christ, why cant you answer the question? I'll just keep reposting the question until you have an answer.

What is your basis for what the teachings of Jesus are, as a non religious guy that hasn't read the Bible and doesnt think the church or religious practitioners are a good indication. Is it just "well, everything's open for interpretation, and no interpretation is any better than another"?

My basis is the words in the Bible and the positions of the church. What’s yours?

your question is dumb. Again, the position of the actual Catholic Church changed. Yet you are trying to say it’s clear what Jesus’s teachings were. And that’s just the Catholic Church.

 

[kflo]

That makes no sense. A fetus is a fully formed human. Why would I look up info that isn’t relevant to what we were discussing?

The church taught that there was no soul at conception. You’re not interested in this at all it seems.

 

[Bob Gray]

My basis is the words in the Bible and the positions of the church. What’s yours?

your question is dumb. Again, the position of the actual Catholic Church changed. Yet you are trying to say it’s clear what Jesus’s teachings were. And that’s just the Catholic Church.

You haven't read the Bible, or studied the religion. Why would anything you say about it indicate a good interpretation?

But...the position of the church is exactly what I said?

Why do you keep saying I said things I've never said? When did I say their position has never changed? What change are you even referring to?

 

[UberHere]

The church taught that there was no soul at conception. You’re not interested in this at all it seems.

But that’s not what they’re teaching now.

 

[johnsmithjohnson]

Bitching about it on sherdog is gonna help how?

It could make anons not watching the new check it. Or were you passively aggressively arguing? Because let me tell you, everyone in the world loves that.

 

[kflo]

But that’s not what they’re teaching now.

Yes. Correct. Did the teachings of Jesus change?

 

[UberHere]

Yes. Correct. Did the teachings of Jesus change?

No. Scholarly people are just a lot more educated now and are better consumers of data. You couldn’t murder then. And you can’t murder now.

When people draw faulty conclusions, they change their stances once it’s realized.

 

[helltoupee]

Reddit atheist bros to the rescue! I had no idea Jesus would be good with abortions.

Good one!

Man! You are really a clever one aren't ya little guy?

Recycled gotchas, outdated insults, posts about your emotional disapproval of the direction of the thread, and then tucking tail as soon as someone asks you to defend your convictions?

Seems like you just unwittingly demonstrated the supposed Reddit insult with your own behavior. You post absolutely nothing of substance and reuse old memes for arguments. And you spend all day every day here doing this ad nauseum. LOL.

BTW, I know you're "not a Trump guy", winky winky, so I was wondering why you and all the other "not actual trump guys" have been completely absent from the Epstein threads? Is this your safe space?

 

[Scerpi]

He's just trolling you guys, more interested in poking holes than actually arguing his point.

As @Bob Gray already pointed out, most Christians believe abortion is murder. Proof of how Jesus would feel about it irrelevant.

You don't have to be religious to believe abortion can be considered murder.

I'd consider an abortion a week for before birth to be murder.

But I get it's extremely vague where the cut off should be. There's been some extremely pre-mature births where the baby can survive.

As for the bible, I don't think abortion was as controversial topic when Jesus was around. Or maybe it was. But if it was a hot topic, there would have been some mention of it in the bible on whether its acceptable or not.

The Quran doesn't say anything directly about it either... But there's writings about protecting innocent souls. The different sects have various views from absolutely forbidden to acceptable up to a certain date.

Either way, the bible debate is red herring. Murder is definitely forbidden in the bible... so what would you consider murder?

I mean there's definitely laws in some states where if you murder a pregnant mother, you can be charged with a double murder.

 

[Mr Holmes]

Good one!

Man! You are really a clever one aren't ya little guy?

Recycled gotchas, outdated insults, posts about your emotional disapproval of the direction of the thread, and then tucking tail as soon as someone asks you to defend your convictions?

Seems like you just unwittingly demonstrated the supposed Reddit insult with your own behavior. You post absolutely nothing of substance and reuse old memes for arguments. And you spend all day every day here doing this ad nauseum. LOL.

BTW, I know you're "not a Trump guy", winky winky, so I was wondering why you and all the other "not actual trump guys" have been completely absent from the Epstein threads? Is this your safe space?

Wow, good job on calling me out on not adding any substance by typing out a few paragraphs that add no substance.

And then whining about me not posting enough in the Epstein thread while also liking a comment in the Epstein thread telling me to sit this one out is full retard.


So good job all around on embarrassing yourself, again.

 

[heloder]

This is a dumb argument. Dems lose solely by supporting abortion. It doesnt matter whether or not you agree with their logic, the common outlook is abortion is murdering babies. You lose. Nothing you'll ever argue will be stronger than that. I have no idea why you tried this tactic. Did you honestly think youd have some sort of point?

Well yes, and that point clearly went well above your head, didn't it? The point is that many Christians are hypocritical, and that the Republican platform as a whole, is far less "Christian" than the Democrat platform. And beyond hypocrisy, many (most?) Christians have perverted their own religion to evil, cruel ends. Misinterpreting their God's word to be used as a sword against their perceived enemies, and a shield against their own immoralities. That's the issue at hand.

You're not exactly bringing new information here by saying Christians don't support abortion.

Single-issue voters are generally morons who latch onto one thing (guns, trannies, or abortion) and just coast on easy-mode for the rest of their voting lives because they don't want to, or are incapable of, educating themselves on the rest of the issues facing the country. I'm sure there are a lot of people out there who don't like hearing that, but it's precisely what I've witnessed here in rural America.

True and undefiled religion is to care for the widows and orphans - that is true, but

For even when we were with you, this we commanded you, that if any would not work, neither should he eat. 2Thessalonians 3:10


also, can we only care for the poor through govt?

More than 70% of non-elderly families who receive government assistance have at least one person who works. Half of these families have someone who works a full-time job.

https://www.epi.org/publication/wages-and-transfers

When wages stagnate like they have for the last 50 years, and the cost of living continues to rise, this is the result.

You can care for the poor in other ways, but unless you solve the aforementioned issues through regulation, providing assistance through the government is the only reasonable method of help. When a government fails to protect society from the greed of unregulated industry, it has a duty to protect society through other means.

Very truly I tell you Pharisees, anyone who does not enter the sheep pen by the gate, but climbs in by some other way, is a thief and a robber.
John 10:1

You're either naive or being extremely disingenuous, here, which is amusing because Pharisees also misinterpreted what Jesus was saying. He wasn't talking about physical fences and intruders. He was referring to himself as the gateway to salvation, and the sheep as everyone seeking it. The lesson is that Jesus is the only door to salvation, and that if you try to enter his kingdom otherwise, you will not be saved.

Using that passage to justify excluding and shunning immigrants is so anti-Christian I was actually kind of taken aback.

Can't believe you even went here, but:

I will praise thee; for I am fearfully and wonderfully made: marvellous are thy works; and that my soul knoweth right well.
Psalm139:14

Hey, but if you think God made a mistake then by all means chop your junk off.

Jesus commands people to love thy neighbor, and explicitly states that it is a lesson second only to loving God. He didn't say "Love thy neighbor unless they're transgender, and then treat them like garbage". If anything, Psalm 139:14 only reinforces God's love for all of his children. To attempt to use his words there to vilify people is kind of heinous.

Then saith he unto them, Render therefore unto Caesar the things which are Caesar's; and unto God the things that are God's.
Matthew 22:21

Jesus didnt cocern himself with taxation.

No, he didn't, but he did concern himself with helping those in need. Creating a just society where everybody is cared for is a far more Christian thing to do than creating a society where the majority suffer by the extreme few.

 

[kflo]

No. Scholarly people are just a lot more educated now and are better consumers of data. You couldn’t murder then. And you can’t murder now.

When people draw faulty conclusions, they change their stances once it’s realized.

lol. You’re arguing it was data that proved to the pope in the 1800s that life begins at conception.

This isn’t a serious discussion now.

 

[UberHere]

lol. You’re arguing it was data that proved to the pope in the 1800s that life begins at conception.

This isn’t a serious discussion now.

Yeah. Do you think medical science existed outside of space time? You’re not a serious person.

 

[kflo]

You haven't read the Bible, or studied the religion. Why would anything you say about it indicate a good interpretation?

But...the position of the church is exactly what I said?

Why do you keep saying I said things I've never said? When did I say their position has never changed? What change are you even referring to?

My factual statement is that the church view on when the human soul is present in an embryo / fetus changed. That’s a fact. So you and others pretending it’s clear and obvious what Jesus teachings were regarding abortion and murder is obviously bullshit. For at least centuries most believed a female soul wasn’t present until 3 months of pregnancy. And again, the Catholic Church does not represent all Christian’s.

 

[44nutman]

What is wild to me is the two founders of TPUSA have passed away from what they believed in.
Bill Montgomery was anti COVID measures and died of COVID.
Charlie Kirk was pro second amendment and died from an assassin's bullet.

 

[kflo]

Yeah. Do you think medical science existed outside of space time? You’re not a serious person.

So you think medical science proved to the pope the soul begins at conception? Tell me, what study / studies did the pope use to come to his conclusion. Because that’s fuckin amazing.

Too bad Jesus teachings took so long to be interpreted correctly.

 

[UberHere]

So you think medical science proved to the pope the soul begins at conception? Tell me, what study / studies did the pope use to come to his conclusion. Because that’s fuckin amazing.

Too bad Jesus teachings took so long to be interpreted correctly.

Maybe the fact that a premature baby can live outside the womb under certain conditions. When God created Adam the Bible says he became a living soul the moment God breathed life into him. That clearly had to be reinterpreted when people learned a premature baby can survive outside a uterus under certain conditions. It is alive, therefore it has a soul. So in fact the teachings never changed, it was peoples’ knowledge that changed thus their interpretations of the teachings (which didn’t change) had to change.

 

[kflo]

Maybe the fact that a premature baby can live outside the womb under certain conditions. When God created Adam the Bible says he became a living soul the moment God breathed life into him. That clearly had to be reinterpreted when people learned a premature baby can survive outside a uterus under certain conditions. It is alive, therefore it has a soul. So in fact the teachings never changed, it was peoples’ knowledge that changed thus their interpretations of the teachings (which didn’t change) had to change.

It certainly couldn’t survive at conception. So try again.

 

[Anewt]

The New Testament assumes one to know and follow the commandments of the Old Testament. Not committing murder is one of those. I’m not against abortion per se, but once that baby has a heart beat, you’re committing murder. No rationalization changes the fact that you’re ending a life. Just own up to it. It is what it is.

Im as non religious as they come and still consider unborn fetus's a human life but understand in some intances its required.

But you are correct tge way i view it reguarding heartbeat

MIght also be because ive seen the size of joeys that have been saved by people.