cereal gane lacks killer instinct

Istryker said:
This was a more impressive performance than that jairzhino crap but im not convinced that he can take out big frank or even old man stipe.

It feels like hes missing something and he should consider a camp change so that he can grow more instead of being in a comfort zone. I'd like to see him utilize his very impressive karate for more finishes. Eventually someone is going to just blitz him and take him out with his current style.
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Man I hate to have to admit this ( @Paynebringer ). You really don't have to be able to finish to win. GSP to me is the GOAT, even though I fucking hate him, and he has no finishing ability at all. Dude went 5 rounds with Hardy and a one eyed Koscheck.
As long as Gane displays the skill, movement and fight IQ he has, he will be winning for a long time to come.
I'll probably turn on him too though.
 
First time watching MMA OP ? You don’t need to finish your opponent to win

Also lmao at just blitz him to beat him. That shit doesn’t work against anyone who is that sharp and technical. Just ask anyone who has faced Jon Jones, Adesanya etc. Ngannou was able to do that vs Rozenstruik because he backpedaled in a straight line and threw baby strikes instead of getting the hell out of there.
 
datfnguy said:
Man I hate to have to admit this ( @Paynebringer ). You really don't have to be able to finish to win. GSP to me is the GOAT, even though I fucking hate him, and he has no finishing ability at all. Dude went 5 rounds with Hardy and a one eyed Koscheck.
As long as Gane displays the skill, movement and fight IQ he has, he will be winning for a long time to come.
I'll probably turn on him too though.
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The same thing that happened with Gane happened with GSP all the time, his opponents realize they are outmatched after a round or two, and decide to disengage and try to survive. It's really hard to fight someone who is that passive.
 
Gane is a boring point fighter. He is technical but he is boring against non-scrubs or fighters who aren't washed. If he fought in any other promotion, people would complain about him being boring but because he is in the UFC people look at him through rose colored glasses.
 
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I mean Black Beast summed it up perfectly when he called it a "karate sparring match". Gane is a tremendous athlete with a lot of skill, but he's never going to be a great HW champ with that lack of killer instinct.

He really does look like he's constantly in sparring mode. He misses a kick and laughs at himself in the middle of a fight. Just having fun. Contrast that with guys like Ngannou, Black Beast, Stipe, etc, who are there to smash your skull open until the ref physically intervenes. Yeah, Stipe is a goofy guy outside the cage and will do a silly jig after a fight, but in the fight he's all business. He'd still be punching Overeem in the face right now if Marc Goddard hadn't jumped in. And the viciousness of Ngannou and Black Beast is pretty obvious.

Unless Gane has another few gears that he's intentionally saving for a championship fight, I don't see him becoming champ.
 
i don't see Gane lacking killer instinct. he throws a lot of strikes that have heat behind them, he just doesn't have the pop to hurt everyone with every single strike. that's a lack of power, not a lack of killer instinct. if he didn't have killer instinct he would've never finished JDS.
 
Pancake Sprawl said:
i don't see Gane lacking killer instinct. he throws a lot of strikes that have heat behind them, he just doesn't have the pop to hurt everyone with every single strike. that's a lack of power, not a lack of killer instinct. if he didn't have killer instinct he would've never finished JDS.
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Agree to an extent.

I think he absolutely has actually very good power, but rarely throws with power to conserve his cardio, since he's technically good enough to win less riskful fights by decision anyways.
 
Ironnik94 said:
Agree to an extent.

I think he absolutely has actually very good power, but rarely throws with power to conserve his cardio, since he's technically good enough to win less riskful fights by decision anyways.
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people say that, but blowing guys away like Ngannou is much safer than fighting the way Gane does. you get hit way less, the chance of them doing damage to you is only open for a few minutes, and the fight is over with less chance of injuring yourself.

i've never understood that "fighting to a decision is safer", to me, it's always been more inherently dangerous. just look at Volkov vs Black Beast.

i think if Gane could finish these guys quickly he would. i don't think he necessarily lacks the physical power, he just doesn't have the right body mechanics down to deliver his power, at least not yet anyway. that's just my opinion as a fuckwit sherdogger.
 
DoctorDeelon said:
I mean Black Beast summed it up perfectly when he called it a "karate sparring match". Gane is a tremendous athlete with a lot of skill, but he's never going to be a great HW champ with that lack of killer instinct.

He really does look like he's constantly in sparring mode. He misses a kick and laughs at himself in the middle of a fight. Just having fun. Contrast that with guys like Ngannou, Black Beast, Stipe, etc, who are there to smash your skull open until the ref physically intervenes. Yeah, Stipe is a goofy guy outside the cage and will do a silly jig after a fight, but in the fight he's all business. He'd still be punching Overeem in the face right now if Marc Goddard hadn't jumped in. And the viciousness of Ngannou and Black Beast is pretty obvious.

Unless Gane has another few gears that he's intentionally saving for a championship fight, I don't see him becoming champ.
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The Art of War is about fighting your opponents the way you want in a place you want at a time you want. Gane is just that. He doesn't put himself in danger by overextending for a finish.
 
Pancake Sprawl said:
people say that, but blowing guys away like Ngannou is much safer than fighting the way Gane does. you get hit way less, the chance of them doing damage to you is only open for a few minutes, and the fight is over with less chance of injuring yourself.

i've never understood that "fighting to a decision is safer", to me, it's always been more inherently dangerous. just look at Volkov vs Black Beast.

i think if Gane could finish these guys quickly he would. i don't think he necessarily lacks the physical power, he just doesn't have the right body mechanics down to deliver his power, at least not yet anyway. that's just my opinion as a fuckwit sherdogger.
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Thanks for the input and i absolutely see where you're coming from - just disagree on some parts.

Looking at fights that happened, finishing guys early instead of decisioning them seems safer, but in the moment, it always is more risky and correllated with a higher chance to be countered badly to increase the offensive intensity.

Also, you gotta remember: a 265 (possibly even heavier) pounds Volkov is not the guy to play games with, so i think it's very understandable to fight cautiously if you're his opponent and have a significant speed advantage and are defensively sound like Gane is.

Obviously Gane has finished Rozenstruik, but looking at Rozenstruik's other fights, Ngannou absolutely could have gotten flattened out in the first exchgange by a counter of the former.

I think Gane's mechanics aren't the problem, i really think it's due to him only trying to strike fast and accurate, plus his stance his very bouncy, so he can't sit down on his strikes like a Dan Henderson did, for example.
I mean what are the chances that one of the fastest heavyweights who's 245 pounds of athleticism and is able to do (pretty high) flying knees whenever he pleases doesn't have much power?

I swear he just doesn't wanna use it unless he's 100% safe to hit the target without missing/getting countered, at least i feel this way.
 
You don't need "killer instinct" to win fights/titles and be great, where was Jon Jones' killer instict in the last 5-7 years? his only TKO on the record is over the shell of Gustaffson in their rematch, and the NC with Cormier where he was on all the roids. Outside of that he hasn't finished anyone since 2013, yet a lot of people call him the GOAT. Why is it these fighters have to have expectations placed on them, if they don't win by certain criteria then it doesn't count? is it because he's big and jacked so you expect him to be KOing people left and right?
 
Keep in mind he's green and pretty young for HW standards. He started his MMA career in 2018 (and already has 3 top 10 wins and will fight for the title soon).
 
Killer instinct applies when you have your opponent hurt. There's no reason to act like a finish is imminent when the other fighter isn't even compromised. He's got 3 wins by KO, sub, and decision each so statistically he has more finishes than not.
 
Ironnik94 said:
Thanks for the input and i absolutely see where you're coming from - just disagree on some parts.

Looking at fights that happened, finishing guys early instead of decisioning them seems safer, but in the moment, it always is more risky and correllated with a higher chance to be countered badly to increase the offensive intensity.

Also, you gotta remember: a 265 (possibly even heavier) pounds Volkov is not the guy to play games with, so i think it's very understandable to fight cautiously if you're his opponent and have a significant speed advantage and are defensively sound like Gane is.

Obviously Gane has finished Rozenstruik, but looking at Rozenstruik's other fights, Ngannou absolutely could have gotten flattened out in the first exchgange by a counter of the former.

I think Gane's mechanics aren't the problem, i really think it's due to him only trying to strike fast and accurate, plus his stance his very bouncy, so he can't sit down on his strikes like a Dan Henderson did, for example.
I mean what are the chances that one of the fastest heavyweights who's 245 pounds of athleticism and is able to do (pretty high) flying knees whenever he pleases doesn't have much power?

I swear he just doesn't wanna use it unless he's 100% safe to hit the target without missing/getting countered, at least i feel this way.
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i see what you're saying also, i don't think either of us is wrong/right, it's just different perspectives of what "safe" is. because i do see what you mean, even i have criticized Ngannou heavily for his swing for the fences style.

i don't think it's Gane's upper body mechanics that kill his power, it's his lower body mechanics. but i understand why. it's like you said, he has a bouncy stance similar to how Bisping used to fight. the other thing is he likes to use his feet to escape out of the pocket, so he usually doesn't have enough time to set himself for a powerful punch.

there's no way i think a 245lb man looking the way he looks is a pillow fist though. and even still, he hits plenty hard by the way he explodes into punching range.
 
Pancake Sprawl said:
i see what you're saying also, i don't think either of us is wrong/right, it's just different perspectives of what "safe" is. because i do see what you mean, even i have criticized Ngannou heavily for his swing for the fences style.

i don't think it's Gane's upper body mechanics that kill his power, it's his lower body mechanics. but i understand why. it's like you said, he has a bouncy stance similar to how Bisping used to fight. the other thing is he likes to use his feet to escape out of the pocket, so he usually doesn't have enough time to set himself for a powerful punch.

there's no way i think a 245lb man looking the way he looks is a pillow fist though. and even still, he hits plenty hard by the way he explodes into punching range.
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Aye.

I'm excited about Gane's future. Only 9 pro fights deep into his MMA career and already an extremely promising contender. I hope he keeps his head on his shoulders and patiently continues to improve, as the sky seems to be the limit for him.
 
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