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I can't make that accusation without proof. I can't prove Keith Owen sold ranks either. In both cases something smells bad.
 
I'm more concerned with KJ having photo evidence of a conversation that occurred in late 2012 and mid 2013...

How about you two ladies just squash this beef though? Let Dan say/do as he pleases. He has skills, can't deny that, but they may not be world class. And to the people he's teaching in whatever area he's in...they won't even know what a Hyastan or Gokor or Lebell means. So whatever he uses to pitch sales there isn't that damaging, especially since there just may not be anyone more skilled in his area that's teaching to thar demographic.
 
Like, my only issue with Dan is that he plugs his videos every time. He reminds me of TheGarv, another person who seriously could not help but self-promote. Other than that, he's alright. Like I have heard stories of him going to open mat rolling sessions and just tooling on poor grappling noobs just to prove how good he is and other bullshit like that but really, I think there's a Johnny from Cobra Kai in all of us and there's nothing wrong with indulging in it every once in a while and even if they are true. Fuck it.

There is not enough accountability in grappling...wait, fuck that, there's not enough accountability in martial arts/combat sports, full stop. The only place where things are proven true or false is in competition, other than that this is just more bullshit posturing.
 
Voided_Warranty said:
Like, my only issue with Dan is that he plugs his videos every time. He reminds me of TheGarv, another person who seriously could not help but self-promote. Other than that, he's alright. Like I have heard stories of him going to open mat rolling sessions and just tooling on poor grappling noobs just to prove how good he is and other bullshit like that but really, I think there's a Johnny from Cobra Kai in all of us and there's nothing wrong with indulging in it every once in a while and even if they are true. Fuck it.

There is not enough accountability in grappling...wait, fuck that, there's not enough accountability in martial arts/combat sports, full stop. The only place where things are proven true or false is in competition, other than that this is just more bullshit posturing.
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I have teamates that trained with him at 10thplanet (teamate is a 10th planet black belt) and he tells me Dan is legit. Same in person as on the vids tough i heard. But speaking of accountablilty, KJ used to parade like he trained. He never stated that he had little to no actual training while acting like some kind of catch expert. Heck he had the audacity to question drysdale's technique. KJ has no right to ever question a person that actually trained for over a decade.
 
This is a grappling forum, and when people ask about techniques, instead of trying to type it all out which can be confusing, I often have a vid that can boom help them right there actually show them. You do not have to click play on a vid. It is contributing. I interviewed Matyushenko after training with him for the Garv actually.

Hey Nefti can you tell me whom that is and where you train, either on here or PM? Is it The Ralph....Das est Uber Strong?

Hope you guys appreciate this breakdown. If you want to see Josh win the basically same way twice sub his page.


We have all learned the high and mighty expert KJ is actually nothing and listening to what he says isnt worth anything. Gene would say he couldn't tie his shoes. Think he was bad on here, read his comments like he is such an expert all over youtube. The things he is saying about Gokor, and not recognizing Gene as legit Catch is worthy of a very very serious ass beating. That is accountability. Remember when men were men. He called me out to compete, I said since he was an expert sure I would against him, and let him know what I would do to him. I was never so sure of KG, so I didnt need to tell him I started training with Gene/Gokor in 2002, and was nice enough to send him my DVD for free to see what he would do. He is not an expert on anything, seems to have business motives, changes what he considers real catch or not, changes whom he endorses....all very shady like the posting on closed forums I told you about just to rally against me. I still think maybe he works on behalf for a cert. org. Talking shit on me is one thing, talking shit on my instructors/friends and super legit been around forever grapplers is not ok in any way shape or form. He also recently acted like a brown belt means nothing from Gokor, like it was Japanese rank right after white, which I know even he knows isnt true when he finally looked at gokors site and the ranking. Before he actually downplayed it as well, and downplayed what a black belt meant. Well, a black belt like Karen that doesn't compete often did damn well against Toonen, only one not to get subbed in Reg and competitive match. Many of Gokors guys, including myself have fought, which is something the old woman KJ would never do. Anyway, KJ, go away, so you know, people that actually train or appreciate Catch can discuss it, instead of your petty drama. If Erik Paulson, whom I first trained with in 99 or 98 I believe, and I trained in Shooto since 97, posts my DWL vid on his page saying good knowledge from Wolfman, then I think that means a lot more than anything you can say. And certainly Erik whom KJ would endorse as a Catch authority has respect for Gene and Gokor whom he LEARNED a lot from. Lister also learned a lot about leglocks from Gokor I do believe.
 
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DanTheWolfman.com said:
This is a grappling forum, and when people ask about techniques, instead of trying to type it all out which can be confusing, I often have a vid that can boom help them right there actually show them. You do not have to click play on a vid. It is contributing. I interviewed Matyushenko after training with him for the Garv actually.

Hey Nefti can you tell me whom that is and where you train, either on here or PM? Is it The Ralph....Das est Uber Strong?

We have all learned the high and mighty expert KJ is actually nothing and listening to what he says isnt worth anything. Gene would say he couldn't tie his shoes. Think he was bad on here, read his comments like he is such an expert all over youtube. The things he is saying about Gokor, and not recognizing Gene as legit Catch is worthy of a very very serious ass beating. That is accountability. Remember when men were men. He called me out to compete, I said since he was an expert sure I would against him, and let him know what I would do to him. I was never so sure of KG, so I didnt need to tell him I started training with Gene/Gokor in 2002, and was nice enough to send him my DVD for free to see what he would do. He is not an expert on anything, seems to have business motives, changes what he considers real catch or not, changes whom he endorses....all very shady like the posting on closed forums I told you about just to rally against me. I still think maybe he works on behalf for a cert. org. Talking shit on me is one thing, talking shit on my instructors/friends and super legit been around forever grapplers is not ok in any way shape or form. He also recently acted like a brown belt means nothing from Gokor, like it was Japanese rank right after white, which I know even he knows isnt true when he finally looked at gokors site and the ranking. Before he actually downplayed it as well. Anyway, KJ, go away, so you know, people that actually train or appreciate Catch can discuss it, instead of your petty drama. If Erik Paulson, whom I first trained with in 99 or 98 I believe, and I trained in Shooto since 97, posts my DWL vid on his page saying good knowledge from Wolfman, then I think that means something.
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Whoa, whoa, whoa. Hold it right there. Where and when did you train with Erik? Erik does not claim you to be one of his students in the least.

Where did you train "Shooto" and under whom?

Josh
 
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josh barnett said:
whoa, whoa, whoa. Hold it right there. Where and when did you train with erik? Erik does not claim you to be one of his students in the least.

Where did yo train "shooto" and under whom?

Josh
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sh*t just got real
 
Hi Josh,
Congrats,
I dont want any shit storm,
I will clarify.
I did not mean any confusion. I was never a direct regular student under Erik though I wish I had been. I trained regularly starting in 1997 at two JKD schools that taught Shooto classes, and also some shooto/bjj mixed classes, whose programs were directly under Yuri Nakamura and Erik. *I was also training w Dan Severn at this time). These were programs they oversaw, in the JKD schools associated under Guro Dan. I did 2 or 3 days of seminars with Erik, and have a shooto certificate in a box in u.s. somewhere with Erik and Yuri's names on it. No that does not make me a directly Erik trained guy, but I did train the shooto curriculum he was like the co-person of.
I trained with some American guys that fought in shooto and Pancrase. Shooto most notably my friend Ryan Bow that worked up from C rank to #1 ranked A shooter and fought Gomi. Sam something too.
So, no my training wasnt direct with Erik or Yuri like Josh's was, but I was training in Shooto lock flow series and what not. Trained with Larry Hartsell once as well.
Erik did remember me and personally invited me to train at his new gym when he saw me at the Pride Tryouts in 2005. I was living in Iowa at MFS however.

Hope that clarifies. I did not mean any confusion and quickly clarified it. Just wrote quickly as just had woken up and KJ ruffles my fathers the way he talks about Gokor and basically dismisses Gene. I believe Erik like most that have been around the game a long time have a lot of respect for both of them. Those that have trained since the old days, and want Catch to get it's just due, and it's influence on both BJJ and Lutra Livre known, should try to work together. I did train some in Japan 5 times though that is not as much as Josh. And I was always heavily influenced most by studying Pancrase, Shooto, events I got through old snail mail tape trading and also enjoying UWFi tapes and others Severn let me barrow.

Cheers,
 
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DanTheWolfman.com said:
Hi Josh,
Congrats,
I dont want any shit storm,
I will clarify.
I did not mean any confusion. I was never a direct regular student under Erik though I wish I had been. I trained regularly starting in 1997 at two JKD schools that taught Shooto classes, and also some shooto/bjj mixed classes, whose programs were directly under Yuri Nakamura and Erik. These were programs they oversaw, in the JKD schools associated under Guro Dan. I did 2 or 3 days of seminars with Erik, and have a shooto certificate in a box in u.s. somewhere with Erik and Yuri's names on it. No that does not make me a directly Erik trained guy, but I did train the shooto curriculum he was like the co-person of.
I trained with some American guys that fought in shooto and Pancrase. Shooto most notably my friend Ryan Bow that worked up from C rank to #1 ranked A shooter and fought Gomi. Sam something too.
So, no my training wasnt direct with Erik or Yuri like Josh's was, but I was training in Shooto lock flow series and what not. Trained with Larry Hartsell once as well.
Erik did remember me and personally invited me to train at his new gym when he saw me at the Pride Tryouts in 2005. I was living in Iowa at MFS however.

Hope that clarifies. Just wrote quickly as just had woken up and KJ ruffles my fathers the way he talks about Gokor and basically dismisses Gene. I believe Erik like most that have been around the game a long time have a lot of respect for both of them. Those that have trained since the old days, and want Catch to get it's just due, and it's influence on both BJJ and Lutra Livre known, should try to work together.

Cheers,
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If you don't mean/want for any confusion then don't write easily misunderstood things like "If Erik Paulson, whom I first trained with in 99 or 98 I believe, and I trained in Shooto since 97" or the above run-on sentence above.

You didn't "Train" with Erik. You took a seminar(s). You trained with Ryan Bow some. Who was running those Shooto programs you say were directly overseen by Erik and Yori? Where were those schools and what were their names?

I see you managed to throw Guro Dan's name in there somehow. Now why did you feel the need to do that? Are you trying to claim in a round-a-bout way that you are somehow trained or associated with Guro?

Josh
 
"in the JKD schools associated under Guru Dan". That clarifies which branch of JDK, or JKD Concepts group, that had Yuri/Erik's program in them. 2 schools in Michigan.

As I said, I had just woken up, and pissed off to see what KJ is saying about Gokor, and the ways he just dismisses Gene. My Net writing may not be the best, and I didn't mean any confusion. I have clarified.

Have a nice day, and congrats. If you wish to talk privately PM on here or FB is always an option.
 
DanTheWolfman.com said:
"in the JKD schools associated under Guru Dan". That clarifies which branch of JDK, or JKD Concepts group, that had Yuri/Erik's program in them. 2 schools in Michigan.

As I said, I had just woken up, and pissed off to see what KJ is saying about Gokor, and the ways he just dismisses Gene. My Net writing may not be the best, and I didn't mean any confusion. I have clarified.

Have a nice day, and congrats. If you wish to talk privately PM on here or FB is always an option.
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You still haven't fully answered my questions yet. You made public statements so there's no reason for you not to answer them publicly.

What were the names of the schools, where in Michigan, and who were the instructors?

Josh
 
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Josh, ur riding me now. That was 18 yrs ago man, I have been hit in the head a lot. I will do my best.

The 2 day seminar I went to with Guro Dan and Erik was at a hockey rink. I have a funny pic putting a Rasslin style sleeper on Erik

The 1 day seminar I did with Erik was at one of the JKD schools I trained at alot. I believe from 97-2000....strange city name, can not remember. Ahhhh, Chris Algeri or Malgeri or something. At that seminar UFC vet Noe Hernandez and my friend Goerge rolled all over the mats bumping into people going hard and Erik was getting a little upset. There was a shooting range nearbye.

The other school was in East Lansing. It was there a few years, I went there at different times when at University-various years not sure which, maybe 98-2002 era. That instructor closed down shop in the middle of night and moved to another state last I heard. Previously, mats from that school showed up in the Dungeon I trained at with Rashads friends Noe and Matt T. but thats another story I talked about briefly in my Rashad interview.

These JKD schools were under Guru Dan, they had Certs from him, Chai, the savate guy, etc etc etc. and I believe Yuri and Erik as well. I did JKD, MT, MT/Savate hybrid like the STX, Savate, Kali, Shooto, BJJ, and some but not much Silat or kali/silat blends.
The few interactions I have had over the years with Guro Dan, Enson, Megumi, Kathy Long, Erik P., have all been very nice, I rolled with Ivan once before he fought Palhares and he bought me Thai food and was a very nice guy.
 
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dan,
Could you list where you trained and how long you trained at each specific school?
 
Just did the best I could. Dude really I have trained in so many places, come on, been doing ma since 1986 and cross training all over since like 95 in various states, and different countries.
 
DanTheWolfman.com said:
Josh, ur riding me now. That was 18 yrs ago man, I have been hit in the head a lot. I will do my best.

The 2 day seminar I went to with Guro Dan and Erik was at a hockey rink. I have a funny pic putting a Rasslin style sleeper on Erik

The 1 day seminar I did with Erik was at one of the JKD schools I trained at alot. I believe from 97-2000....strange city name, can not remember. Ahhhh, Chris Algeri or Malgeri or something. At that seminar UFC vet Noe Hernandez and my friend Goerge rolled all over the mats bumping into people going hard and Erik was getting a little upset. There was a shooting range nearbye.

The other school was in East Lansing. It was there a few years, I went there at different times when at University-various years not sure which, maybe 98-2002 era. That instructor closed down shop in the middle of night and moved to another state last I heard. Previously, mats from that school showed up in the Dungeon I trained at with Rashads friends Noe and Matt T. but thats another story I talked about briefly in my Rashad interview.
The few interactions I have had over the years with Guro Dan, Enson, Megumi, Kathy Long, Erik P., have all been very nice, I rolled with Ivan once before he fought Palhares and he bought me Thai food and was a very nice guy.
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I'm not riding you, you said "I trained regularly starting in 1997 at two JKD schools that taught Shooto classes, and also some shooto/bjj mixed classes, whose programs were directly under Yuri Nakamura and Erik." implying you were putting in some serious time training Shooto. I am simply holding you to your statements and insisting you provide some sort of proof for them.

You're only a year older than I am and I know I've been in far more fights but I can remember my HS wrestling coaches and absolutely ALL the people who I started heavily training martial arts under. You never lack thorough details when it comes to your past sparring sessions though...

Josh
 
Dude, I've been asking Dan for over a year what his belts are in and I've never once had a straight answer; I wouldn't expect a straight answer on anything from him.

I'm pretty sure the brown belt he goes on about is his Hayastan Grappling one but he doesn't hold a rank in BJJ, just the purple shirt from Bravo.
 
Pics with Guro Dan, Erik, Larry *though that was mostly knife*, Ryan, tons of old NHB pics are up in a HUGE album on my FB page. I will be happy to accept your friend request Josh, my hand is open, as I have relayed that message to Erik. I have really answered the best I can.

I may not play magic, but if we break out some White Wolf, or maybe even Cyberpunk, Shadowrun I think I would have a chance against you. I am betting D&D you would kill me but I would give it a go.

Would you answer the question since you are here, how you would feel about a grappling match against a big guy like Amir Ackbarri, or Soa the Hulk *I think u trained together in Japan*, or maybe that 42 yr old UFC Aussie BJJ guy? What about Frank Mir preferably vs you in Metamoris, or Big Country?

I have to go teach class now.
 
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