International Canadian Liberals confusingly scrap carbon tax they created

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JudoThrowFiasco said:
Yeah I agree. Green initiative may be imprinted on his core drive; but as he is cut taxes and cut spending focused he will have no choice to to be amendable to exporting and expanding. Canada isn't a manufacturing or R&D powerhouse -- it's a natural resource distributor. He's going to have to turn on the taps hard to make up the revenue gaps.

But again, his candidacy has neutered the progressives so he won't have that orange soy coalition in his ear.
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It will be amusing to watch his almost carbon-copy senior MP's support the opposite of what they supported under Trudeau, if he gets in. Just a bunch of yes-men, to a fault.

I agree though, I can handle the liberals under Carney. PP will be an excellent opposition leader if he sticks around. Hold him to account big time.
 
rikibobby said:
It will be amusing to watch his almost carbon-copy senior MP's support the opposite of what they supported under Trudeau, if he gets in. Just a bunch of yes-men, to a fault.

I agree though, I can handle the liberals under Carney. PP will be an excellent opposition leader if he sticks around. Hold him to account big time.
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Yeah to me that's the biggest fault currently in Canadian politics; feckless MPs towing the party line. There's basically zero need for them since they don't follow what's best for their constituency but rather whatever the party tells them. Even in the US, congressman will vote against thier party from time to time - that never happens in Canada. Abolish senators and reduce ridings - boom, millions saved every year right there
 
gatchaman said:
The point is, you don't know enough about the politicians you are judging to make the claims you are making.
Is Gavin Newsom more conservative than Danielle Smith?
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Gavin Newsome is pretty far left of the general democrat platform. As evidenced by the carnage his policies have inflicted upon California.
 
Lycandroid said:
Ending the consumer carbon tax while INCREASING the industrial Carbon tax will have the same effect on cost of living that made it unpopular in the first place, most likely it will have a greater effect. Prices will increase as companies pass that onto the consumer. When it comes to copying conservatives policies I think it's a fools game to really think they will go in that direction once elected. The Liberal party has a terrible track record on keeping election promises.

He was the head of a major private investment firm which focus was profit and returns which worked directly against Canadian interests. Brookfield is a scourge on humanity just like Blackrock. Brookfield is a huge player in the skyrocketing cost of housing in Canada.

Carney is not a fiscal conservative, he is a globalist parasite and a traitor to his country.
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I made a fuck ton with Brookfield and ending cap gains increases and increasing FDI are all OK with me

You certainly don't have to vote for him or enjoy what's coming
 
JudoThrowFiasco said:
I made a fuck ton with Brookfield and ending cap gains increases and increasing FDI are all OK with me

You certainly don't have to vote for him or enjoy what's coming
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I just don't think what Carney is promising is actually coming, just look at the long list of Liberal promises that never came to fruition.

Carney is a plant, the Liberal party will be more of the same if they get into office. It's quite naive to think whoever is the Liberal leader has the power to make the party turn around 180. Why weren't these economic policies brought forth when Carney was the economic advisor ? That would mean either Carney was advocating for the opposite policies he is selling to Canadians, or Carney wasn't listened to which if that was the case why would he be in that role in the first place ?
 
Lycandroid said:
I just don't think what Carney is promising is actually coming, just look at the long list of Liberal promises that never came to fruition.

Carney is a plant, the Liberal party will be more of the same if they get into office. It's quite naive to think whoever is the Liberal leader has the power to make the party turn around 180. Why weren't these economic policies brought forth when Carney was the economic advisor ? That would mean either Carney was advocating for the opposite policies he is selling to Canadians, or Carney wasn't listened to which if that was the case why would he be in that role in the first place ?
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Carney did play Trudeau like a fiddle - backing alternative green investments led to Brookfields GI branch (Carney led) to grow big time from 2020 -2024. You can argue he's a Chameleon but he did his job with the private sector during that frame and made a lot of portfolios better off.

I don't think Trudy listened to anyone really, hence his refusals to step down for over a year. It was only until Carney has official status in 2024 that Trudeau basically became complete useless and finally let go to the reigns. I see nothing that suggest he will continue the Trudy government of spending and killing productivity

If you don't think he's going to follow through then don't vote for him; simple as that. But him killing off progressives in the NDP is a win regardless
 
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Pierre scrambling. Saying he will keep the dental plan. We know he won’t. That smarmy prick all of a sudden changed tune from his maple maga stance. Let’s see if he tricked his supporters. Danielle smith even said PP is on the same wavelength as trump.
 
rearnakedchoke said:
Pierre scrambling. Saying he will keep the dental plan. We know he won’t. That smarmy prick all of a sudden changed tune from his maple maga stance. Let’s see if he tricked his supporters. Danielle smith even said PP is on the same wavelength as trump.
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The conservatives has said from day one they voted against the dental plan because it is inefficient and doesn't cover many Canadians. Now they are talking about streamlining it making it more effective and freeing up funds to allow greater access.

Please explain how that is a bad thing. Please explain how that is a sudden change of stance, if you actually paid attention to the facts you would see that it is about as consistent as you can be.
 
Lycandroid said:
Which prominent democrats would you say are further to the left than Gavin Newsome is ?
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I have no interest in discussing US politics with you.

But Gavin Newsom is not particularly left-wing. California is. Newsom is a corporate centrist like most Democrats. His job is to look progressive while blocking real progress.



calmatters.org

Newsom slides to right, frustrating progressive politicians' big hopes

Governor pursues the image of someone from the broad middle, frustrating those on California’s political left.
calmatters.org calmatters.org

www.currentaffairs.org

Gavin Newsom is Not a Progressive

California’s governor is being touted as a successor to the Biden throne. Though he’s often imagined as a beacon of progress, his feckless record shows otherwise.
www.currentaffairs.org www.currentaffairs.org

www.latimes.com

California Politics: Three ways Newsom bucked the liberal Legislature

Three trends I spotted in Newsom's vetoes
www.latimes.com www.latimes.com

He's completely full of shit and his deeply embarrassing podcast has shown his true colours.


Now if you want to talk about US politics there are plenty of threads in which to do that.

This thread is about Canada. Stay on topic.
 
ColemanwastheGOAT said:
The most conservative premier in Canada is to the left of the Democrats in the US.
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Not really bro. DS and Moe are pretty conservative. Alberta has lower corp tax rate than all the us states except a few, has its own anti trans legislation, very pro oil & gas, etc. I'd say Ford is sort of like a democrat you might see in the midwest or something but event he is still probably more to the right on a lot of stuff. There are a couple of right wing hills that Canadians just completely reject and cons know they aren't worth worth dying on, those would be things like health care and abortion.
 
rearnakedchoke said:
Pierre scrambling. Saying he will keep the dental plan. We know he won’t. That smarmy prick all of a sudden changed tune from his maple maga stance. Let’s see if he tricked his supporters. Danielle smith even said PP is on the same wavelength as trump.
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Poilievre is a very bad politician overall. He has no ability to pivot and he has no charisma whatsoever.
 
Lycandroid said:
The conservatives has said from day one they voted against the dental plan because it is inefficient and doesn't cover many Canadians. Now they are talking about streamlining it making it more effective and freeing up funds to allow greater access.

Please explain how that is a bad thing. Please explain how that is a sudden change of stance, if you actually paid attention to the facts you would see that it is about as consistent as you can be.
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He’s been voting against health care and dental care for years. He’s just saying whatever to get elected and will cut these plans
 
Ares Black said:
Poilievre is a very bad politician overall. He has no ability to pivot and he has no charisma whatsoever.
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He’s was showing off his shit eating grin when he was being endorsed by Elon, Jordan Peterson and Tucker Carlson. Wonder why he isn’t parading those endorsements out during his campaign? He will fold like a cheap tent against trump. Hopefully enough Canadians see that.
 
rearnakedchoke said:
He’s was showing off his shit eating grin when he was being endorsed by Elon, Jordan Peterson and Tucker Carlson. Wonder why he isn’t parading those endorsements out during his campaign? He will fold like a cheap tent against trump. Hopefully enough Canadians see that.
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I'd say most Canadians can see that pretty clearly. The half-assed attempts to distance himself have fallen flat.

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rearnakedchoke said:
Jeez. That’s a crazy poll. I’m not convinced, but it looks promising.
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And the archaic electoral system means that the CPC needs to win big to form government because so much of their support is concentrated in one province.

They've got like 30% support in lots of ridings across Canada but that won't translate into many seats.
 
rearnakedchoke said:
He’s been voting against health care and dental care for years. He’s just saying whatever to get elected and will cut these plans
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Sonhe's a smarmy prick for that? A service completely funded on borrowed $.

Meanwhile Carney has abandoned everything the liberals stand for. He's awesome right?
 
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