Social Canada Records Lowest Birthrate, 2nd Year in a Row

Spam On Rye said:
Those images prove what exactly? Are you not aware of the past 100+ years? Hit me with an actual argument.
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Not really a head scratcher there, buddy. Those images illustrate that before the Enlightenment, human society was far more backward, savage, and immoral than what it is today.

Staying on topic, secular humanism gave us the medical advancements that allowed us to not have to have 12 children because so many died in infancy.
 
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rearnakedchoke said:
The younger generations will figure this out. A sign of being old is thinking the next generations are doomed. Canada is gonna be fine. The doom and gloom crowd really are a sad bunch.
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Fuck off, we have an entire generation coming up that for them home ownership is impossible. Let's just keep voting liberal and let the kids figure it out later.
 
The messaging and consequent feeling is that kids are expensive instead of kids being priceless.
 
Who the fuck wants to have kids here when you have such a dipshit leadership which has destroyed this country?
 
Err said:
This is the kind of gaslighting that’s going to lead to a conservative super majority.
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If an election happens today, it’s a super majority. I’m a year, who knows. PP knows this and that is why he wants an election now.
 
I think it's useful to think more about what a profit maximizing life looks like and how it shapes society.

If we stick to something more basic, say transportation as it's on topic because anyone that's been to Toronto and compares public transportation there to say a places like Bonn, Moscow, London and Tokyo will just laugh their ass off at what a complete joke Toronto is. What's the most effective and best? High infrastructure mass transit.

Ideal: A high quality network of trains/subways/streetcars that don't face congestion, is quick and cheap to run for passengers.

What the auto industry and gas companies wants: A bunch of single drivers having have hundreds of thousands if not millions motors running (instead of a few big engines), often in gas guzzling cars that are way overpowered relative to legal driving limits to satisfy the low-dick energy folks, which are idle or not in use 90% of the working day.

It's no wonder big infrastructure projects get pushback from vested interests.

Now, think about what a corporate profit maximizing society looks to for one's life:

Ideal: Affordable home that doesn't make you cash poor, friends and family that love each other, functional co-dependence and a network that is greater than the sum of its individual parts.

What do employers and big business owners want?

An atomized single person with people competing against each other instead of cooperating, paying rent or a big mortgage, paying for netflix (two or more people sharing netflix right away cuts sales in half - think of the single driver in their car except the single person in their home), paying for their car (point already above), making people disinterested in the qualities of humbleness, humility, modesty and instead make them feel inadequate so that they buy and throw out clothes to keep up with fashion, buying a new cellphone every year/other year, having their occupation to be the number one thing in their life in order to have a big cheap talent pool of talent of people often willing to work unpaid overtime, having that status as their core identity, NOT having a spouse to fall back on so that they can leave poor jobs and work conditions or have superior negotiating power, having big pharma plug in emotional holes with anti-depressants to keep people on the up and up etc.

Then you add-in there are only so many "good" jobs in society -- so growing economy through immigration as opposed to fertility rates of better off established multi-generational working class folks (who may have built up wealth), middle to upper middle folks is of course going to be preferred. The same corporate folks are already trying to shrink the middle and upper middle class to maximize their profits, why would they want those people having kids with high expectations as opposed to folks that will just be happy to be there????

This is all very par-for-the-course in an increasingly globalized world that is heavily free market driven and increasingly socially and culturally deprived.
 
rearnakedchoke said:
If an election happens today, it’s a super majority. I’m a year, who knows. PP knows this and that is why he wants an election now.
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With parliament seized because of SDTC and the liberals refusing to give the Bloc what they want I wouldn’t be surprised if there’s an election called in the next month.
 
rearnakedchoke said:
Life is just more expensive now also. The conservatives aren’t gonna make home ownership easier. Don’t kid yourself.
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Why can't/won't they ? Cutting the carbon tax, cut regulations of zoning and permits that the liberals brought in, make it easier and cheaper to build homes and the supply will increase and bring prices down. Stop bring in more people than the countries housing supply can deal with. Do you think the conservatives should not do these things or that they simply won't ?

Life is more expensive now because of the Liberals how is that not a given for ya ? Repeal the policies that caused this and things will turn around. I know that would require the unholy sin of not voting for the liberals or NDP.
 
Hellowhosthat said:
A drop in population would be good, but we all know the powers that be will just go to immigration rather than try and find solutions for a slowly reducing population which would be good for the environment and the planet.
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People moving from a place with over a billion people to a place with around 40 million, a declining birth rate, and far more territory, cannot be a bad thing in any way I can think of.
 
Err said:
With parliament seized because of SDTC and the liberals refusing to give the Bloc what they want I wouldn’t be surprised if there’s an election called in the next month.
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I think it's extremely unlikely. It will be interesting to see how it goes.
 
Unknown Pleasures said:
The messaging and consequent feeling is that kids are expensive instead of kids being priceless.
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Kids are expensive so it's not really the messaging that's the problem but the economic realities that drive that message.

There are so many elements to this but they pretty much all circle back to how capitalism has changed social functionality. Single incomes are no longer enough to run households so 2 adults are working. This means women in the workforce and that drives up the cost of daycare and childcare since every subsequent child is a big price increase. The wage stagnation that forced people to acquire more and more skills before they could make enough money to run their own households. People end up wasting their best reproductive years chasing credentials and, once they've done that, they're loathe to give it up to become parents. The casual sex with easily available contraception closed off a major source of kids.

The absurd rate at which the size of new homes has grown. Now starter homes are 2-3x bigger than their predecessors of 50 years ago but people aren't making 2-3x as much money, inflation adjusted, which delays their entry into home ownership and family starting. The defunding of cities, via social movements, of the 50s, 60s, and 70s. Cities make sense because population density makes the cost of living cheaper for people who can benefit from it and that makes affording families easier.

We could go on but capitalism has created a world where the pursuit of economic success has so outstripped every other thing that stopping the machine long enough to just have more kids isn't possible.

But I don't think it's necessarily a bad thing. The world's population needs to decrease and these stories are a sign that said decrease is on its way.
 
Lycandroid said:
Why can't/won't they ? Cutting the carbon tax, cut regulations of zoning and permits that the liberals brought in, make it easier and cheaper to build homes and the supply will increase and bring prices down. Stop bring in more people than the countries housing supply can deal with. Do you think the conservatives should not do these things or that they simply won't ?

Life is more expensive now because of the Liberals how is that not a given for ya ? Repeal the policies that caused this and things will turn around. I know that would require the unholy sin of not voting for the liberals or NDP.
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Those things aren't why the birth rate is falling. It's much more structural than that. Even if you upped the housing supply, it wouldn't change the time sink required to earn a decent living, the impact of contraception on birth rates, or the childcare costs associated with dual income households.
 
panamaican said:
Those things aren't why the birth rate is falling. It's much more structural than that. Even if you upped the housing supply, it wouldn't change the time sink required to earn a decent living, the impact of contraception on birth rates, or the childcare costs associated with dual income households.
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It would be insane to say that they are not a big part of the equation, lots of people aren't having kids who would if they could afford to do so.
 
Andy Capp said:
I think it's extremely unlikely. It will be interesting to see how it goes.
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I would’ve said the same thing until Fergus shut the house down and Liberals refused to hand over their documents related to SDTC. Now I’m not really sure where they go from here. If they don’t turn the documents over, the government is effectively shut down and the Blocs ultimatum is almost off the table. I guess they could prorogue, but that would also be a death sentence.
 
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