Can we finally drop the best boxer in mma talk , it's mma hand fighting

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The new breed of top strikers in MMA seem to be developing a style that is new and onto itself, but has clear influences in boxing (in that hands are the primary weapons), Muay Thai (in that the leg kick remains a strong weapon, but also a constant threat), Karate (reflecting the often or occasional use of the side stance and the necessity to enter combat from distance).

I would argue that those 3 form the basis of contemporary MMA striking and that individual stylists augment that style with techniques from TKD, and, increasingly Korean Hapkido (see Robert Whittaker).

 

[bad seed]

Do you think Kavanaugh is elite enough to combine his world class hand fighting training with foot fighting? Or should Conor seek out a footfight specialist to learn from?

 

[Aforo88]

Holly Holm is the one a-level boxer in all of MMA.Everyone else punches,can't box worth a shit.

I know Joe R. harps on this, but shes a terrible boxer. Shes so bad it hurts my soul to se her punching form at this stage of her career. Raquel Penington is a better boxer by far. She in my eyes won the Holly fight by only using boxing while Holly used kickboxing.

 

[Aforo88]

Good boxers in mma:
Raquel penington
Jorge Masvidal
Stipe M
Cody Gardbrant
Mark Hunt
Diaz Bros

 

[ICEibuPROfen]

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lol. Not even worse a detailed responsd

Heavens to Betsy

 

[TrueFightFan]

same one the judges and most fight fans did.

Conor won rounds 1 and 3. and lost every other one.

McGregor outlanded Floyd throughout the first 5 rounds... my point, in regards to the judges, were that the Mayweather Show is corrupt. Even the commentators were stunned that the judges only gave McGregor 1 round. You just gave him round 3, let me ask, why didn't the judges give him that round?

 

[The Natural Born Runner]

Irish Edmond tried to be a Boxing cornerman.

Whilst wearing a waistcoat.

Dude looks like he's working in Dirty Martini.

 

[Pakman]

McGregor outlanded Floyd throughout the first 5 rounds... my point, in regards to the judges, were that the Mayweather Show is corrupt. Even the commentators were stunned that the judges only gave McGregor 1 round. You just gave him round 3, let me ask, why didn't the judges give him that round?

1 did.

and He outlanded floyd in the 1st, then by 3 punches in the 2nd (8/30someodd, to floyds 5/10), and by 4 in the 3rd (5/12 to 9/39). the 4th was same # of punches, with Floyd getting better shots (as he did in rounds 2 and 3 as well) and then outlanded in rounds 5-10.

There's a reason why 2 judges gave those rounds to Floyd and it's because he landed the better shots.

 

[TrueFightFan]

1 did.

and He outlanded floyd in the 1st, then by 3 punches in the 2nd (8/30someodd, to floyds 5/10), and by 4 in the 3rd (5/12 to 9/39). the 4th was same # of punches, with Floyd getting better shots (as he did in rounds 2 and 3 as well) and then outlanded in rounds 5-10.

There's a reason why 2 judges gave those rounds to Floyd and it's because he landed the better shots.

But in those first 4 rounds, he also maintained ring control and had Floyd turtling up and turning his back. You judge by punches and by ring control. He was, also, the busier fighter. But my point is, that anyone watching the fight, even his biggest detractors, KNEW that he won than one round. For two judges to not see it that way gives you the hint of corruption that we all know has tainted boxing for the last few decades.

 

[INoHespectChael]

name 1 top 10 boxer conor wouldnt flatline. he took TBE to 10 rounds (early stoppage too) in his debut

It took fighting Conor McGregor for Floyd Mayweather to get his first KO win in 10 years.

 

[Pakman]

But in those first 4 rounds, he also maintained ring control and had Floyd turtling up and turning his back. You judge by punches and by ring control. He was, also, the busier fighter. But my point is, that anyone watching the fight, even his biggest detractors, KNEW that he won than one round. For two judges to not see it that way gives you the hint of corruption that we all know has tainted boxing for the last few decades.

He was being walked down during those rounds as well, being busier isn't always a winning factor, especially considering his being 'busier' didnt end up with a disparity in # of shots landed. rounds 2 and 3 could have gone to Floyd if you base it on the punches that were landed and how effective they were. Floyd may have landed fewer shots, but they were the better shots in those rounds.

 

[TrueFightFan]

He was being walked down during those rounds as well, being busier isn't always a winning factor, especially considering his being 'busier' didnt end up with a disparity in # of shots landed. rounds 2 and 3 could have gone to Floyd if you base it on the punches that were landed and how effective they were. Floyd may have landed fewer shots, but they were the better shots in those rounds.

How do you say "better" shots? What is the "stat" on that? It is opinion. If you are rooting for McGregor, you will say his punches were better and if you were rooting for Mayweather, the opposite. Look, you and I are average, Sherdog schmucks. The commentators and the Showtime fight "judge" all thought McGregor was ahead, going into the 6th round. We can argue all day long about which shots were "better" but you are talking about an experienced team. Even the moron, Paglignaggi, had to admit that McGregor was up and doing better until the 6th and 7th rounds where he started moronically mumbling,"you see what I mean..." and "that's what I've been talking about" in reference to McGregor's gas tank. Watch the fight, again, and for the first 5 rounds, if you'd never known either fighter, you would think that McGregor was the champ and Mayweather was the beginner. However, as corrupt as boxing is, had they butted heads accidentally in the 5th or 6th round, Mayweather would have won a decision. That, my friend, is crap.

 

[TrueFightFan]

Do you think Kavanaugh is elite enough to combine his world class hand fighting training with foot fighting? Or should Conor seek out a footfight specialist to learn from?

I just heard about this new fighting technique called "man on man body fighting." He should learn that!

 

[Marc A]

Do you think Kavanaugh is elite enough to combine his world class hand fighting training with foot fighting? Or should Conor seek out a footfight specialist to learn from?

He has an mma foot combat training from a different coach

Great question

 

[Marc A]

The new breed of top strikers in MMA seem to be developing a style that is new and onto itself, but has clear influences in boxing (in that hands are the primary weapons), Muay Thai (in that the leg kick remains a strong weapon, but also a constant threat), Karate (reflecting the often or occasional use of the side stance and the necessity to enter combat from distance).

I would argue that those 3 form the basis of contemporary MMA striking and that individual stylists augment that style with techniques from TKD, and, increasingly Korean Hapkido (see Robert Whittaker).

Awesome post

 

[Marc A]

Good Mma hand fighters
Raquel penington
Jorge Masvidal
Stipe M
Cody Gardbrant
Mark Hunt
Diaz Bros

Fixed

 

[Marc A]

How do you say "better" shots? What is the "stat" on that? It is opinion. If you are rooting for McGregor, you will say his punches were better and if you were rooting for Mayweather, the opposite. Look, you and I are average, Sherdog schmucks. The commentators and the Showtime fight "judge" all thought McGregor was ahead, going into the 6th round. We can argue all day long about which shots were "better" but you are talking about an experienced team. Even the moron, Paglignaggi, had to admit that McGregor was up and doing better until the 6th and 7th rounds where he started moronically mumbling,"you see what I mean..." and "that's what I've been talking about" in reference to McGregor's gas tank. Watch the fight, again, and for the first 5 rounds, if you'd never known either fighter, you would think that McGregor was the champ and Mayweather was the beginner. However, as corrupt as boxing is, had they butted heads accidentally in the 5th or 6th round, Mayweather would have won a decision. That, my friend, is crap.

And this is the problem among people who don't understand mechanics .

I don't think you are lying that you can't differentiate which punch was more effective or better shot

But those that know can , including judges

 

[TrueFightFan]

And this is the problem among people who don't understand mechanics .

I don't think you are lying that you can't differentiate which punch was more effective or better shot

But those that know can , including judges

The point that I was making was in regards to the bias. If you are going to make that argument for Mayweather over McGregor then you have to explain the Maidana decision. He wasn't even close on the scorecards and yet his punches were much more "effective". If my debate/sparring partner cannot acknowledge this, then he loses all credibility.

 

[Pakman]

How do you say "better" shots? What is the "stat" on that? It is opinion. If you are rooting for McGregor, you will say his punches were better and if you were rooting for Mayweather, the opposite. Look, you and I are average, Sherdog schmucks. The commentators and the Showtime fight "judge" all thought McGregor was ahead, going into the 6th round. We can argue all day long about which shots were "better" but you are talking about an experienced team. Even the moron, Paglignaggi, had to admit that McGregor was up and doing better until the 6th and 7th rounds where he started moronically mumbling,"you see what I mean..." and "that's what I've been talking about" in reference to McGregor's gas tank. Watch the fight, again, and for the first 5 rounds, if you'd never known either fighter, you would think that McGregor was the champ and Mayweather was the beginner. However, as corrupt as boxing is, had they butted heads accidentally in the 5th or 6th round, Mayweather would have won a decision. That, my friend, is crap.

This isn't true at all. First of all, even in the round(s) he won, Conor looked like an amateur. He didn't know the rules, he was hammerfisting the guy, hitting in the back of the head, and his technique, whether punching or footwork, was pretty laughable.

Whether or not the commentators had him ahead going into round 6 means very little (even though he clearly lost the last 2 rounds). The better shots is pretty easy to see. Do you count 10 baby jabs to the gloves that do no damage, or 1 quick counter that lands clean or several body shots that land. Most of Mcgregors punches had nothing behind them and did no damage. Even if He landed 3 more punches than Floyd, Floyd's shots landed better for more damage.

Its easy to see by the damage a fighter has taken.

 

[BrotherClaudio]

In light of the greatest known "boxer" in mma getting beat pillar to post with ease .

It has become very evident as john kavanagh has said they don't practice boxing , they train in mma hand combat .

A whole different technique!!
As an mma fan this makes more sense , so can we finally drop the outdated talk of best boxer in mma and finally talk about the highly evolved art of mma hand fighting ?



Other than Conor who else has elite mma hand fighting ?

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