Can I just spell it out loud and clear why GSP is the one true goat so you finally understand?

[Luffy]

What's GOAT? If it is being a good influence and having a legacy that is more clean and a better influence wtv that means, then maybe. If we stick to performance in mma, fighting, like, UFC focused... Then of course it's Jon Jones. He wins every metric as far as fighting, in-cage performance is concerned. I consider goat to be what a fighter accomplished in the ring (gotta call it ring cuz it's cooler). JJ is objectively above GSP on that.

1) never lost other than a DQ loss, i.e, was never outscored and stopped.
2) As well as a 2 division cham, he defended his belt more than any fighter in any category
3) went through 3 generations of fighters, never losing. Went up, beat Gane and Miocic dominantly.
4) 16 championship wins, most in UFC history as well
5) beat up 6 former champions and 6 or 8 hall of famers
6) Fought monsters like DC and Gustafsson

... GSP lost 2 or 3 times, dunno. Has not as many belt defenses as JJ. Went up and didn't defend his belt, JJ did. GSP himself says Jon Jones is the best in UFC history. Khabib says the same. New fighters like Topuria and DDP say the same. Alex Pereira said the same too, that JJ is the best of all times. Fedor said JJ is the best MMA fighter last year. If all fighters who are goat candidates like GSP, Khabib, Silva, Fedor, Alex Pereira say it... And newcomers who are red hot like Khamzat, DDP, Topuria, also say it... Then Jon Jones is the goat. Couple that with the 6 reasons above and as far as performance in the ring and accomplishments, it's kinda as objective as it gets.

 

[Trabaho]

What's GOAT? If it is being a good influence and having a legacy that is more clean and a better influence wtv that means, then maybe. If we stick to performance in mma, fighting, like, UFC focused... Then of course it's Jon Jones. He wins every metric as far as fighting, in-cage performance is concerned. I consider goat to be what a fighter accomplished in the ring (gotta call it ring cuz it's cooler). JJ is objectively above GSP on that.

1) never lost other than a DQ loss, i.e, was never outscored and stopped.
2) As well as a 2 division cham, he defended his belt more than any fighter in any category
3) went through 3 generations of fighters, never losing. Went up, beat Gane and Miocic dominantly.
4) 16 championship wins, most in UFC history as well
5) beat up 6 former champions and 6 or 8 hall of famers
6) Fought monsters like DC and Gustafsson

... GSP lost 2 or 3 times, dunno. Has not as many belt defenses as JJ. Went up and didn't defend his belt, JJ did. GSP himself says Jon Jones is the best in UFC history. Khabib says the same. New fighters like Topuria and DDP say the same. Alex Pereira said the same too, that JJ is the best of all times. Fedor said JJ is the best MMA fighter last year. If all fighters who are goat candidates like GSP, Khabib, Silva, Fedor, Alex Pereira say it... And newcomers who are red hot like Khamzat, DDP, Topuria, also say it... Then Jon Jones is the goat. Couple that with the 6 reasons above and as far as performance in the ring and accomplishments, it's kinda as objective as it gets.

Canadian guy - GSP is da best for realz
Black American guy - Jon got the tastiest nutz in da universe

 

[Steve Fox]

Georges St. Pimp is indeed the one true GOAT.

 

[UnitZero]

Jones is GOAT. Him being a naughty boy outside the sport is irrelevant. It’s all about performance

Seems like TS is looking for reasons to make GSP goat. Making up the narrative based on preference

He wasn’t just “a naughty boy outside of the sport”, he cheated in a wide variety of ways for his entire career including 4 failed PED tests over the course of the prime of his career. You Jones fans are so deluded it’s incredible.

 

[UnitZero]

What's GOAT? If it is being a good influence and having a legacy that is more clean and a better influence wtv that means, then maybe. If we stick to performance in mma, fighting, like, UFC focused... Then of course it's Jon Jones. He wins every metric as far as fighting, in-cage performance is concerned. I consider goat to be what a fighter accomplished in the ring (gotta call it ring cuz it's cooler). JJ is objectively above GSP on that.

1) never lost other than a DQ loss, i.e, was never outscored and stopped.
2) As well as a 2 division cham, he defended his belt more than any fighter in any category
3) went through 3 generations of fighters, never losing. Went up, beat Gane and Miocic dominantly.
4) 16 championship wins, most in UFC history as well
5) beat up 6 former champions and 6 or 8 hall of famers
6) Fought monsters like DC and Gustafsson

... GSP lost 2 or 3 times, dunno. Has not as many belt defenses as JJ. Went up and didn't defend his belt, JJ did. GSP himself says Jon Jones is the best in UFC history. Khabib says the same. New fighters like Topuria and DDP say the same. Alex Pereira said the same too, that JJ is the best of all times. Fedor said JJ is the best MMA fighter last year. If all fighters who are goat candidates like GSP, Khabib, Silva, Fedor, Alex Pereira say it... And newcomers who are red hot like Khamzat, DDP, Topuria, also say it... Then Jon Jones is the goat. Couple that with the 6 reasons above and as far as performance in the ring and accomplishments, it's kinda as objective as it gets.

You forgot to mention he failed 4 different PED tests over the course of his prime years and eye poked his way through his toughest fights.

 

[Paolo Delutis]

Can I just say the only reason the other 2 GOATs (Silva and Jones) popped was because they continued fighting when USADA came. GSP retired before drug programs. Had they followed GSP's lead they would be solidly above him in GOAT rankings.

Ummm


What

 

[Paolo Delutis]

MMA is not a real sport if the GOAT lost to Matt Serra. Ever.

Why do people forget to that GSP demolished Serra...in the rematch..

But but but he tapped to strikes..

Okay

And then he beat the shit of out Serra in rematch...(No offense to Serra i actually like matt he was a great fighter and coach, he should of been more disciplined and fought at LW or lower , unfortunately there wasnt those divisions when he was coming up and he wasnt no bum ,just an underdog)

So in the end its a wash...even

 

[Snake Fist]

GSP before the Serra loss was a fighter, after that more of a combat sport athlete. The WW goat no doubt.

Embarrasing run a Middleweight maybe more so than Jones at Heavyweight.

100% lost the fight against Hendricks.

 

[Aluminati]

GSP got subbed by late career Hughes on his way up, tapped to strikes in his prime, and most embarrassing of all, got exposed for not knowing how to actually perform a straight armbar against Dan Hardy.

 

[fizzlehiss]

It’s because life is a multi-faceted thing that heavily relies on context and variables, etc; basically there isn’t just one criteria for why an athlete is the greatest of all-time, there are multiple factors.

If you want to simplify it to two things, you could say how an athlete behaves/competes in and outside of the octagon.

If you want to get more complicated, we could say there’s physical performance, brand/reputation management, fight IQ, finishes vs decisions, activity-level, level of competition, etc.

Imo even if you go the complicated route, GSP checks more boxes than any of the other goats.

You could have maybe said Jon Jones was more active until he did the ultimate rank-squatter move and held the belt without defending it for so long he almost (or did he?) technically broke the record for longest heavyweight champion reign.

Imo Jones impropriety outside of the cage disqualifies him from goat inclusion but even if you disagree; he doesn’t checkmark nearly enough boxes outside of the cage or with his brand management the way GSP does/did.

Jon literally popped for steroids, lost his belt and his major sponsorships; he was reduced to tears in public interviews when he realized the ramifications of his actions; GSP never fumbled his professional or personal life in this way.

Anderson also popped for steroids and on top of that sullying his legacy, he also fought past his prime and lost a bunch of fights he shouldn’t have; Fedor is also guilty of this.

GSP held his belt for many years, defended his belt against the appropriate contenders; treated his fans and his opponents with the utmost respect, behaved like a tactician in the ring and outside of a few fights largely dominated and baffled his opponents; being one of the few fighters able to fight to his opponent’s weaknesses. The man even avenged both losses in his career to make his record near-perfect.

Sell me on why GSP isn’t goat of all goats?

Also flame on haters.

Word to your mothers.

You're Canadian.

 

[Alpha_T83]

IMO Demetrious Johnson is the GOAT. 11 consecutive title defenses in his division. No failed drug tests.

When you eliminate Jon Jones and Anderson Silva from GOAT contention due to their PED failures, you're only left with GSP and DJ. IMO DJ was better pound for pound.

 

[KBE6EKCTAH_CCP]

Georges coming back and ending Bisping was fantastic, but then re-retiring because his tummy hurt kind of ruined it.

Tummy hurt? He had an auto immune disease that can be dangerous.

 

[Captain Herb]

There’s just a certain level of undeniable success and dominance that transcends public perception. MMA culture is rife with PEDs, and that’s why pundits, fighters, and the HOF all still recognize Jon as GOAT.

Cyclists are weird cunts. All of them were sauced. Always have been. Lance kicked the shit out of all of them. He’s still the only cyclist that anyone can name. Legend.

Barry? Who the fuck cares. The guy is talked about MORE than his contemporaries simply because his HOF exclusion was bullshit. Baseball is also full of juice heads and gamblers.

Bottom line, the brain dead comparison of Jon to guys like Barry and Lance is laughable. It’s not even close to the same. There was no fall from grace. His records and HOF status stand, and no amount of bitching on a karate forum will change that.

Jon Jones is in the HOF for being GOAT? That's news to me, I'm pretty sure he was inducted for getting the shit kicked out of him by Alexander Gustafsson.

 

[Chagaev]

GSP was a great fighter, the most professional in my book.

But I can't consider a weight cutter the GOAT, they invented PFP for that. Or if you want to bring more nuances, like the GOAT of a certain division, GOAT ppv seller etc.

 

[MigitAs]

Canadian guy - GSP is da best for realz
Black American guy - Jon got the tastiest nutz in da universe

Yeah who cares he hit and run a pregnant lady hit his wife (oh sorry perpetual fiancé like Conor), test hot for steroids has multiple mug shots , hid under the cage, picograms, and has disgraced his name more times than I can remember, but let’s not talk about that stuff.

 

[VAfan]

You forgot to mention he failed 4 different PED tests over the course of his prime years and eye poked his way through his toughest fights.

and ran like hell, multiple times.

 

[SuperNerd]

French

 

[VAfan]

GSP got subbed by late career Hughes on his way up, tapped to strikes in his prime, and most embarrassing of all, got exposed for not knowing how to actually perform a straight armbar against Dan Hardy.

name the fighter with the perfect career. go ahead, we'll wait.

 

[r-harper-1]

I have Gsp at number 2 behind Jones ….but I wouldn’t argue with anyone that has GSP at number 1 ….. legendary run

 

[JKS]

He wasn’t just “a naughty boy outside of the sport”, he cheated in a wide variety of ways for his entire career including 4 failed PED tests over the course of the prime of his career. You Jones fans are so deluded it’s incredible.

Jones fan? As long time critic and someone who can't stand Jones personally for nearly 15 years, I'll take that with a sense of irony lol.

Jon has been busted. But majority of his legacy is under state commission testing and he tested clean up until 2016, that is what his LHW run and legacy is built on. And his move up to HW has been clean as well. Jon had his issues fro 2016 to 2018 with PEDs but the majority of career has been clean testing. Now, I am no fool and I am not naive, there is a possibility Jon was juicing during the earlier years, but for me it's gotta be black and white. If tested clean, that's what I go by. Not speculation and guessing.