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Calling BS on Penn & teller BS: bible

Literalism was long the position of Orthodox Judaism. It still is, in some circles.

Genesis doesn't just contains errors in the order of creation, or the processes used, it has elements that don't make any sense even under a non-literal interpretation. For instance, the cosmology involves a flat Earth under a solid dome.



Again, God succumbs to peer pressure?

The fact that the Hebrew's culture was so similar to everyone else of the period indicates that they were simply one of many tribes, not a special tribe that had contact with an omnipotent, omniscience, omnibenevolent god.

The Hebrew god could have told the Hebrews not to practice slavery. Why didn't he? Because he is an invention of the Hebrews and they wanted to practice slavery.



In other words, slavery was for life for non-Hebrews. Forceful religious conversion doesn't make it any "nicer".



I said dying and rising gods. They were in vogue. As were god born of magical circumstances. It is no coincidence that the mythmakers of Christianity assigned such attributes to Jesus.



Exactly. CLAIMED to be martyred. Numerous apostles have multiple martyr stories.
They're simply church stories.




In some instances, but stories of early Christian persecution are largely overblown.



That isn't relevant to the question of belief. Religions carry on even when followers meet facts that contradict the religion.



There is no burden of proof on me, WP. It's on you to provide extraordinary evidence for this extraordinary claims.

My position requires that a handful of people be delusional or that myth and legend grow over time. Your position requires breaking numerous scientific laws.



A following is not evidence of miracles; only how deluded religious people can be. There were numerous early Christians who were martyred despite never having met Jesus. Religious fervor is powerful.
Id argue that Easter in particular was the usurpation of most of the traditions of the pagan religions regarding a spring rebirth after a winter death. For any Christian to be oblivious to that is silly. Hell the name itself is drawn from Esotre along with the eggs and bunnies on the secular side.
 
halloween comes from samhain as well, a celtic festival
 
taking the bible literally is what fundamentalists started doing in the 19th century
it is also what atheists do, because that is their best and only argument. so if it fits your agenda it must be true
No, interpreting the Bible literally was the dominant school thought until the 18th century. I linked you the Wiki.
and a POLL = people with respectable knowledge of what bible means??????

lol, "3 out of 10 AMERICANS" not even 3/10 christians or 3/10 catholics
Indeed, it's 3/10 Americans. Bring me a more comprehensive study with a greater population. In fact, only 73% of Americans identify themselves as Christian. I strongly doubt that the remaining 27% are interpreting the bible literally, since, by definition, they would therefore identify as Christian. In other words, ~30/73 Christian Americans, or about 41%, interpret the bible literally. That's in the first world, 2012. Kind of puts a dent in the notion that literalists are a fringe theological subgroup.
now, as far AS NOT TAKING GENESIS LITERALLY over a 1000 years before the scientific method

here you go. i will post just one blurb but you can read whole thing if you want a more educated argument against christianity

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allegorical_interpretations_of_Genesis

origen in 260 AD

Origen of Alexandria, in a passage that was later chosen by Gregory of Nazianzus for inclusion in the Philocalia, an anthology of some of his most important texts, made the following very modern-sounding remarks:
Didn't read the biography of Origen, did you? He was a mystic. They were persecuted by the authoritative branches of the mainline churches:
Wikipedia said:
Origen, along with the prominent "Origenists" Didymus the Blind and Evagrius Ponticus, was declared anathema in 553 CE by the Second Ecumenical Council of Constantinople and by three subsequent ecumenical councils. For these reasons Origen was never canonized by either the Catholic or Orthodox churches.
Official church doctrines across the mainline were cut and dry before scientists left them in tatters.
lets tell the truth, unfortuntaley a large portion of christians do not know shit about the bible other than a very few things
Indeed, theists tend to be less educated (and less intelligent by the various methods we use to measure intelligence) than their atheist counterparts. There have been threads linking studies testifying to the truth of each of these claims. The latter was more recent, and cited review of the entire history of studies into this question.

Nevertheless, if we're going to speak in unsubstantiated generalizations, then IMO, they tend to know more about the Bible than they do about science or rational philosophy.
and atheists again only know the part that fits their agenda

hey, if 3/10 people think the earth is flat, does that make it so???

if 3/10 people believe that evolution is false, does that make it so???
No, but the earth and evolution are observable truths, not belief systems. I'm calling bullshit you on your blatant revisionism, and also on your claim to speak authoritatively for all Christians on the history of Christian thinking.
now, as far as what is right and wrong as far as christianity, i choose the catholic church's opinion, because honestly, they are the only ones to be trusted and have been doing it for over a 1000 years
Ooh, girls night out! Isn't it fun to pick and choose between an assortment of equally superstitious speculations in the nature of the universe? It's like shopping for clothes. There's no right answer! Just fun, fun, fun in the dressing room!
 
halloween comes from samhain as well, a celtic festival

Its not merely celtic all the pagan festivals pretty much fell on solstices and equinoxes. I picked easter because the OP dwells on Jesus rising so much and fails to see the connection to shit like Esotre, Odin(who pretty much spot on has much of the Christ mythos nailed), Horus etc. Many Pagan gods went into death and were reborn. Usually dying in fall or winter and being reborn in spring.

Christianity did a great job of putting many of its festivals on the same dates in its battle against the more pagan religions.
 
Its not merely celtic all the pagan festivals pretty much fell on solstices and equinoxes. I picked easter because the OP dwells on Jesus rising so much and fails to see the connection to shit like Esotre, Odin(who pretty much spot on has much of the Christ mythos nailed), Horus etc. Many Pagan gods went into death and were reborn. Usually dying in fall or winter and being reborn in spring.

Christianity did a great job of putting many of its festivals on the same dates in its battle against the more pagan religions.


yeah, i meant that samhain was the celtic festival..that was the end of summer and beginning of winter


but yeah, spot on.
 
1) i will try to keep this short


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And I thought that I wrote long winded posts. Lol!
 
taking the bible literally is what fundamentalists started doing in the 19th century
it is also what atheists do, because that is their best and only argument.

No its what 'christians' do if they tell us two men cannot marry because the bible says so.
 
I don't know which is worse: the evil, murderous, jealous, vain God of the literalists, or the weak, fickle, liar God of the non-literalists.
 
Says a Mod with the ability to dump/delete it ... lol like Vince McMahon using a proxy to place bets on WWE matches

:P

You know, am I the sole person here who suspects that Madmick is actually Urijah Faber, Chad Mendes or Joe Benavidez posting in a disguised username? Or one of the trainers at Team Alpha Male such as Duane Ludwig or some other Team Alpha Male coach? Is it really just me? Madmick, I think some of us are dying to know this at this point.
 
As for Penn and Teller's Bullshit, well, they may get on ton's of people's nerves, but I think literally every single episode they did had some seriously valid points to it. They were not always totally fair to all sides but they did show important issues that those who objected to what they were saying had to deal with head on.
 
No, interpreting the Bible literally was the dominant school thought until the 18th century. I linked you the Wiki.

Indeed, it's 3/10 Americans. Bring me a more comprehensive study with a greater population. In fact, only 73% of Americans identify themselves as Christian. I strongly doubt that the remaining 27% are interpreting the bible literally, since, by definition, they would therefore identify as Christian. In other words, ~30/73 Christian Americans, or about 41%, interpret the bible literally. That's in the first world, 2012. Kind of puts a dent in the notion that literalists are a fringe theological subgroup.

Didn't read the biography of Origen, did you? He was a mystic. They were persecuted by the authoritative branches of the mainline churches:

Official church doctrines across the mainline were cut and dry before scientists left them in tatters.

Indeed, theists tend to be less educated (and less intelligent by the various methods we use to measure intelligence) than their atheist counterparts. There have been threads linking studies testifying to the truth of each of these claims. The latter was more recent, and cited review of the entire history of studies into this question.

Nevertheless, if we're going to speak in unsubstantiated generalizations, then IMO, they tend to know more about the Bible than they do about science or rational philosophy.

No, but the earth and evolution are observable truths, not belief systems. I'm calling bullshit you on your blatant revisionism, and also on your claim to speak authoritatively for all Christians on the history of Christian thinking.

Ooh, girls night out! Isn't it fun to pick and choose between an assortment of equally superstitious speculations in the nature of the universe? It's like shopping for clothes. There's no right answer! Just fun, fun, fun in the dressing room!

yes, i get to pick and chose what branch of christianity i follow. i mean, fuck, do you get to pick what philosophers you follow?
or what side of the big bag or multiple universe or holographic universe belief you follow???

I believe the catholic teaching is most true with what i get out of the bible and it has been around the longest

again, what 70% of people say DOES NOT MAKE IT SO.
now, if you tell me 70% of people WHO AHVE ACTUALLY READ THE BIBLE and went to church more than 2x a year and did research and read the christian apologetic take the Bible literally, then you would have a case. but you don't.

As far as Christianity being against "learning"
um
Harvard, Princeton, Yale, Dartmouth all started off as christian universities

lol, but hey, lets throw up Galileo as what the church did to every scientist.
and let throw up Truman as every president and every president's term we nuke a country

lol, do you read your wiki? from your wiki

Biblical literalism (also called Biblicism or Biblical fundamentalism) is the interpretation or translation of the explicit and primary sense of words in the Bible.[1][2] A literal Biblical interpretation is associated with the fundamentalist and evangelical hermeneutical approach to scripture
-lol, where does it say the catholic church in this blurb????


yes, i agree, FUNDAMETNALISTS take the bible literally

Origen, said some things that the church did not like
but okay

how about SAINT Irenaeus????


"Later Christians followed their example. Irenaeus of Lyons, in his work Against Heresies from the middle of the 2nd century, saw the story of Adam, Eve and the serpent pointing to the death of Jesus:

Now in this same day that they did eat, in that also did they die. But according to the cycle and progress of the days, after which one is termed first, another second, and another third, if anybody seeks diligently to learn upon what day out of the seven it was that Adam died, he will find it by examining the dispensation of the Lord. For by summing up in Himself the whole human race from the beginning to the end, He has also summed up its death. From this it is clear that the Lord suffered death, in obedience to His Father, upon that day on which Adam died while he disobeyed God. Now he died on the same day in which he did eat. For God said, 'In that day on which ye shall eat of it, ye shall die by death.' The Lord, therefore, recapitulating in Himself this day, underwent His sufferings upon the day preceding the Sabbath, that is, the sixth day of the creation, on which day man was created; thus granting him a second creation by means of His passion, which is that [creation] out of death."
 
Wrong, I'll shit on the Bible and just about anyone that believes in it anytime I please... Because it's dangerous, the people that read it are dangerous and the idea's it promotes are dangerous.

It's time for intelligent people that don't want to deal with Religion to assert themselves...

So in other words, you'll behave in a provocative (i.e. dangerous) fashion towards those that believe in the Bible...because it's dangerous?

You are what you decry.
 
Its not merely celtic all the pagan festivals pretty much fell on solstices and equinoxes. I picked easter because the OP dwells on Jesus rising so much and fails to see the connection to shit like Esotre, Odin(who pretty much spot on has much of the Christ mythos nailed), Horus etc. Many Pagan gods went into death and were reborn. Usually dying in fall or winter and being reborn in spring.

Christianity did a great job of putting many of its festivals on the same dates in its battle against the more pagan religions.

I know more about Odin than you EVER will, but real quick
odin hung from a tree and was never dead. the earliest manuscripts we have of the Eddas is from no earlier than 1000 AD.

Jesus's crucifixion is based on it being close to PASSOVER. jesus was at the temple for PASSOVER

Horus was a fucking birdhead who NEVER walked the earth. There is no fossil evidence for a bird head man. there is fossil evidence of human beings

now the whole resurrection: Jesus did it ONE TIME
Horus and the many other pagan birth and rebirth myths HAPPEN EVERY FUCKING YEAR in relation to planting/harvesting

the crucifixion was a SACRIFICE, not some shit storry explaining the fucking SEASONS

here is Horus
220px-Horus_standing.svg.png



I mean, atheists just have THE most retarded arguments
 
So basically, OP says the bible is BS? Amarite?
 
Here's a theory of mine.

The last supper was actually Passover eve dinner (not my theory but a known thing. Notice I don't call it a fact).

Jesus offered the bread as his flesh. But jews don't eat bread on passover eve. We eat Matzah.

And that is why they give crackers and not bread at the communion.
 
I know more about Odin than you EVER will, but real quick
odin hung from a tree and was never dead. the earliest manuscripts we have of the Eddas is from no earlier than 1000 AD.

Jesus's crucifixion is based on it being close to PASSOVER. jesus was at the temple for PASSOVER

Horus was a fucking birdhead who NEVER walked the earth. There is no fossil evidence for a bird head man. there is fossil evidence of human beings

now the whole resurrection: Jesus did it ONE TIME
Horus and the many other pagan birth and rebirth myths HAPPEN EVERY FUCKING YEAR in relation to planting/harvesting

the crucifixion was a SACRIFICE, not some shit storry explaining the fucking SEASONS

here is Horus
220px-Horus_standing.svg.png



I mean, atheists just have THE most retarded arguments
You don't know more about myths than me.
Surely you can see the similarities between the myths about Odin and the myths about Christ.
I mean he gets nailed to a hunk of wood in a sacrifice to gain power no similarity there eh?
Calenders change. Passover was set to be with the vernal equinox which surprise surprise is when the pagan festivals were set as well. As was why the date for Easter was picked to coincide with the pagan festivals and to hopefully override them.

You don't address why you get to pick which parts of the bible you think are fictional...Genesis, Exodus the whole damn old testament...and which parts you think are to be literally read...jesus rising from the dead. Why is one to be read literally and one allegorically? Why not both allegorically?

Perhaps pagan gods rose up each year because they were better gods. Stronger could be killed and rise again multiple times. That faker Jesus could only pull that off once.
 
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