Calling BS on Penn & teller BS: bible

[Grooboggle]

Here's a theory of mine.

The last supper was actually Passover eve dinner (not my theory but a known thing. Notice I don't call it a fact).

Jesus offered the bread as his flesh. But jews don't eat bread on passover eve. We eat Matzah.

And that is why they give crackers and not bread at the communion.

Not according to the Gospel of John. There's a large amount of scholarship on this but boils it down to John using the newer lunar calendar where the date of passover would move and the synoptic gospels using a calendar based on the solar system where passover was always on a Wednesday. Needless to say if there is that much to say about the dates and calendars and the discrepancies there is likely something to be said about how and which words were translated from the languages used at the time to modern texts of the bible.

 

[Count Zero]

You know, am I the sole person here who suspects that Madmick is actually Urijah Faber, Chad Mendes or Joe Benavidez posting in a disguised username? Or one of the trainers at Team Alpha Male such as Duane Ludwig or some other Team Alpha Male coach? Is it really just me? Madmick, I think some of us are dying to know this at this point.

 

[Steiger]

Good job.

Here's some straight Jesus for you- judge not. Man didn't ask you for a lot, and you managed to fuck that up.

Wrong.

Matthew 7:1
Judge not, that you be not judged.

In other words, if someone judges something, they will be judged in return. The act of judging something, in and of itself, is not prohibited.

Looks like your snark backfired on you.

 

[Hades86]

So in other words, you'll behave in a provocative (i.e. dangerous) fashion towards those that believe in the Bible...because it's dangerous?

You are what you decry.

What is dangerous about laughing about fairy tales exactly?

 

[Madmick]

Spoiler

yes, i get to pick and chose what branch of christianity i follow. i mean, fuck, do you get to pick what philosophers you follow?
or what side of the big bag or multiple universe or holographic universe belief you follow???

I believe the catholic teaching is most true with what i get out of the bible and it has been around the longest

again, what 70% of people say DOES NOT MAKE IT SO.
now, if you tell me 70% of people WHO AHVE ACTUALLY READ THE BIBLE and went to church more than 2x a year and did research and read the christian apologetic take the Bible literally, then you would have a case. but you don't.

As far as Christianity being against "learning"
um
Harvard, Princeton, Yale, Dartmouth all started off as christian universities

lol, but hey, lets throw up Galileo as what the church did to every scientist.
and let throw up Truman as every president and every president's term we nuke a country

lol, do you read your wiki? from your wiki

Biblical literalism (also called Biblicism or Biblical fundamentalism) is the interpretation or translation of the explicit and primary sense of words in the Bible.[1][2] A literal Biblical interpretation is associated with the fundamentalist and evangelical hermeneutical approach to scripture
-lol, where does it say the catholic church in this blurb????


yes, i agree, FUNDAMETNALISTS take the bible literally

Origen, said some things that the church did not like
but okay

how about SAINT Irenaeus????


"Later Christians followed their example. Irenaeus of Lyons, in his work Against Heresies from the middle of the 2nd century, saw the story of Adam, Eve and the serpent pointing to the death of Jesus:

Now in this same day that they did eat, in that also did they die. But according to the cycle and progress of the days, after which one is termed first, another second, and another third, if anybody seeks diligently to learn upon what day out of the seven it was that Adam died, he will find it by examining the dispensation of the Lord. For by summing up in Himself the whole human race from the beginning to the end, He has also summed up its death. From this it is clear that the Lord suffered death, in obedience to His Father, upon that day on which Adam died while he disobeyed God. Now he died on the same day in which he did eat. For God said, 'In that day on which ye shall eat of it, ye shall die by death.' The Lord, therefore, recapitulating in Himself this day, underwent His sufferings upon the day preceding the Sabbath, that is, the sixth day of the creation, on which day man was created; thus granting him a second creation by means of His passion, which is that [creation] out of death."

I don't know why I continually allow myself to be trolled by Christians who don't even know the history of their own canon and churches, nor the mere capability to interpret passages of their own theology in ignorance of that context.

 

[BKMMAFAN]

I don't know why I continually allow myself to be trolled by Christians who don't even know the history of their own canon and churches, nor the mere capability to interpret passages of their own theology in ignorance of that context.

Thought you would have dumped this by now. At least it's entertaining.

 

[5H3RD0G]

From the mind of man anything is possible and that's how the bible came to be. If they think some holy force came and wrote it all by their lonesome good luck with that theory. :icon_lol: It would be summarized, only man can be so flawed to have it segmented into different delusional tales.

 

[Hades86]

Warrior poet is crying in the may about his thread being moved. He may come in and cry here too. Just a heads up.

 

[Madmick]

Warrior poet is crying in the may about his thread being moved. He may come in and cry here too. Just a heads up.

Thanks, but...

Let him eat cake.

 

[IndyCovaHart]

I sure hope all you people giving two shits about this live in Siberia or some backwoods town where there's nothing better to do.

 

[HIMBOB]

1) i will try to keep this short

Swing and a miss.

 

[Tekk]

I sure hope all you people giving two shit about this live in Siberia or some backwoods town where there's nothing better to do.

Nope, we're all like you. Nothing better to do than comment on a message board.

 

[J THE NATURAL]

Penn & teller are full of shit!

 

[Zeke's Chaingun]

taking the bible literally is what fundamentalists started doing in the 19th century
it is also what atheists do, because that is their best and only argument. so if it fits your agenda it must be true

What a load of crap.

First off, there are PLENTY of people who take the Bible literally and they use this irrational belief as the basis of their political campaign to affect American Life in ways to suit their own personal feelings. This makes them my enemy, because they do not value freedom or liberty, they value only themselves and those like them. This is a threat to my very way of life and I claim the right to fight them.

Secondly, a non-believer in your faith has MANY arguments that go beyond the literalists. You are either lying or are truly incoherantly uninformed of the facts. Just to throw out a few quick examples;

1) The fact that nothing that exists beyond the laws of physics has ever been verified to exist. The whole idea of a Christ and God - no matter how you try spin their alleged allegorical tales - completely exist beyond the laws of physics and how the Universe behaves.
2) The Bible, under any verifiable context, was written by men with conflicting tales. Picking and choosing truth among them is merely you taking your own personal bias and drawing out explanations and answers you desire - without regard to what is fact or true.
3) The Council of Nicaea of 325 AD gathered to VOTE to determine which Gospels to use and to decide the nature of Jesus. The "Word of God" decided by vote.

All of these things - and much more - demonstrate the folly of your beliefs.

lets tell the truth

Speak for yourself. But first you would have to understand how someone can determine truth, and you clearly have no idea how to do that. Your current belief system indicates you decide truth based upon personal desire, not upon independantly verified facts or sound arguments.

unfortuntaley a large portion of christians do not know shit about the bible other than a very few things

That might explain why so many believe in it. If only they understood more perhaps they would see it for what it truly is. My In-Laws for example. When I told them the Bible has passages that encourage the slaying of non-believers, adulterers, blasphemers, and unruly children they did not believe it until I opened up a Bible and showed them. Of course, that didn't help any. They still believe in it even if the Bible says what they do not believe is moral. You cannot reason someone out of a position they did not reason themselves into.

and atheists again only know the part that fits their agenda

What is an atheists agenda? An atheist doesn't believe in any Gods. You don't believe in any God other than your own. So what is your agenda to these other Gods you deny? Why is that any different than what others feel who doubt your God?

hey, if 3/10 people think the earth is flat, does that make it so???

You are making an example of facts existing beyond personal opinion. Too bad you utilize this reason discriminately.

now, as far as what is right and wrong as far as christianity, i choose the catholic church's opinion, because honestly, they are the only ones to be trusted and have been doing it for over a 1000 years

So length of practice denotes validity? How can you ridicule the Flat Earth Example and then turn around and use this logic here? You are a joke.

What is so great about Catholicism? You mean the Church that believes the AIDS epidemic in Africa is bad but not as bad as condoms? The covering up and protection of phyles?

 

[Zeke's Chaingun]

so the writer(s) of Genesis told it as 100% fact that it was literal??? no one was telling literal creation stories that long ago. ever. please stop with this nonsense.

Who says? They certainly enforced their preaching upon pain of death. Who are you to say that they didn't actually mean what they said?

show me proof where the writers say this, otherwise I will assume it is like all theological creation stories and not to be taken 100% literal

Who are you to assign a percentage to what is literal and what is not? Your God is actually yourself. He conveniently supports all of your personal opinions. How nice.

slavery - it was everywhere, it was commonplace. some people got OFFERED freedom and denied it because a slave is always taken care of. a free worked might or might not have work and may or may not eat

A slave is always taken care of? So slaves are commonly voluntary slaves? Are you seriously saying this crap or are you just trolling? I have a hard time believing (no I don't) that anyone can be this fucking stupid.

but god created the world in 6 days and rested on the 7th. Gave everyone, even SLAVES a day off

I love how an all-powerful God had to rest. Also, how kind of God to gives slaves a day off. Do you also praise husbands who abstain from abusing their wives for a day?

in leviticus you could keep a HEBREW slave for 7 years then you must give him the choice of freedom or he is your slave forever. of course the loophole for non hebrews were to convert, ha

Well shit on them if they have a change of heart.

You sir are a disgusting person to even fractionally support such a book or position. A slave is property and has no rights. A slave owner is free to mentally and physically abuse a slave - even to the point to where they might come to believe their plight is better off in slavedom. Such abuses are among the most IMMORAL things I can imagine. Yet here you are glossing over these atrocities.

rome was actually limiting the number of slaves you could free at that time.

Rome also practiced evil. In no way does this excuse slavery ANYWHERE.

dying and RISING people WERE NOT COMMONPLACE.

Of course they were not. Dead people do not rise. Never once has a brain dead fully deceased person come back to life in anything except stories.

mohammed still has followers -- well, not shit. M was a warlord. you converted or you died.

This is different than what the Bible instructs in what way? How do you condemn others for a practice the Bible espouses?

as far as jesus not doing the miracles, um, what proof do you have? it is just your opinion

This is more than a situation of your opinion versus anothers opinion, as if both opinions are equal. One person may have the opinion that miracles did not occur because such miracles defy the laws of physics - which has NEVER been demonstrated as being possible. Your opinion is that the laws of physics WERE suspended and quite regularly - which has never been shown to happen and your support for this belief is an ancient book of fables that you admit can be allegorical and not literal. Your opinion is ASTROMICALLY weaker than his.

my proof? the following he had during his life and after his death how many of the magicians were followed after his death?

That's not proof, it's a tale you've heard. It hasn't even been determined that a man such as Jesus existed much less that these events actually happened. You lack even the slightest ability to differentiate between fiction and non-fiction.

 

[UpaLoompa]

taking the bible literally is what fundamentalists started doing in the 19th century

If you don't take all of the bible literally, how can you take any of it literally?
If you reject some aspects because they're demonstrably false supernatural nonsense, why do you choose to accept other supernatural events as factual?


Frankly I have far more respect for crazy young earth creationists who take the bible literally than I do for cafeteria Christians that pick and choose what they accept. The former is completely divorced from reality but internally consistent. The latter is both divorced from reality and internally inconsistent.


p.s. Your god is an evil asshole and even if he were real would not be worth any sort of respect let alone worship.

 

[Zeke's Chaingun]

none of those "famous atheist extremists" did it in the name of atheism

Liars like the OP try to convince people that Hitler was an atheist when in reality he was far from it. He ever claimed to be an atheist, his first treaty was with the Church, his soliders wore Christian mottos, they took an oath of service which included the Christian Faith, and so on.

Stalin was in fact an atheist, but atheism - unlike religions - does not have a code of commands or orders. It is nothing more than an lack of belief in a God. That's it. Stalin and Mao did what they did for POLITICAL reasons - not non belief reasons.

 

[Zeke's Chaingun]

Horus was a fucking birdhead who NEVER walked the earth. There is no fossil evidence for a bird head man. there is fossil evidence of human beings

I love how you pick and choose when you decide to adhere to evidence. You dismiss the bird headed man because there is no evidence such a being has existed - yet you have NO PROBLEM accepting the suspension of the laws of physics to support the ressurection, miracles, and so forth. It is clear as day to anyone who is not a total fucking moron that you are hypocritical, unconcerned with truth, capricious, biased, and so on.

now the whole resurrection: Jesus did it ONE TIME

How do you know he did it one time, a hundred times, or no times? You're picking and choosing positions purely on your own desire not by any standard of truth.

I mean, atheists just have THE most retarded arguments

Considering the source of this post, I would take your assertion as a compliment.

 

[Social Distance Warrior]

Who says? They certainly enforced their preaching upon pain of death. Who are you to say that they didn't actually mean what they said?



Who are you to assign a percentage to what is literal and what is not? Your God is actually yourself. He conveniently supports all of your personal opinions. How nice.



A slave is always taken care of? So slaves are commonly voluntary slaves? Are you seriously saying this crap or are you just trolling? I have a hard time believing (no I don't) that anyone can be this fucking stupid.



I love how an all-powerful God had to rest. Also, how kind of God to gives slaves a day off. Do you also praise husbands who abstain from abusing their wives for a day?



Well shit on them if they have a change of heart.

You sir are a disgusting person to even fractionally support such a book or position. A slave is property and has no rights. A slave owner is free to mentally and physically abuse a slave - even to the point to where they might come to believe their plight is better off in slavedom. Such abuses are among the most IMMORAL things I can imagine. Yet here you are glossing over these atrocities.



Rome also practiced evil. In no way does this excuse slavery ANYWHERE.



Of course they were not. Dead people do not rise. Never once has a brain dead fully deceased person come back to life in anything except stories.



This is different than what the Bible instructs in what way? How do you condemn others for a practice the Bible espouses?



This is more than a situation of your opinion versus anothers opinion, as if both opinions are equal. One person may have the opinion that miracles did not occur because such miracles defy the laws of physics - which has NEVER been demonstrated as being possible. Your opinion is that the laws of physics WERE suspended and quite regularly - which has never been shown to happen and your support for this belief is an ancient book of fables that you admit can be allegorical and not literal. Your opinion is ASTROMICALLY weaker than his.



That's not proof, it's a tale you've heard. It hasn't even been determined that a man such as Jesus existed much less that these events actually happened. You lack even the slightest ability to differentiate between fiction and non-fiction.

I love how you pick and choose when you decide to adhere to evidence. You dismiss the bird headed man because there is no evidence such a being has existed - yet you have NO PROBLEM accepting the suspension of the laws of physics to support the ressurection, miracles, and so forth. It is clear as day to anyone who is not a total fucking moron that you are hypocritical, unconcerned with truth, capricious, biased, and so on.



How do you know he did it one time, a hundred times, or no times? You're picking and choosing positions purely on your own desire not by any standard of truth.



Considering the source of this post, I would take your assertion as a compliment.

Check....and Mate.

 

[MGLucas]

Liars like the OP try to convince people that Hitler was an atheist when in reality he was far from it. He ever claimed to be an atheist, his first treaty was with the Church, his soliders wore Christian mottos, they took an oath of service which included the Christian Faith, and so on.

Don't be silly, it makes perfect sense for an atheist to walk around with 'Gott mit uns' on his uniform.