Elections California bans voter ID

[Hog-train]

This has got to be the dumbest post I’ve read in a while. There is only one reason why they would not want voter ID and that is to cheat. If you don’t possess an ID, your dumbass doesn’t deserve to vote.

Yea because there was so much widespread voter fraud in all the years we've had no id requirement.

That never happened. Stopped believing conspiracy theories.

 

[skysolo]

Free ID is not a barrier. If it wasn't free you might have some kind of argument.

Requiring an ID to vote is a barrier.

Even if ID cards were free, it would still be a barrier to voting.

 

[skysolo]

How do they buy beer, drive, or get government assistance then? Why would you not have an ID? Wouldn't a free state ID serve to help poor people then? Why would you not want it?

Buying beer isn't in the constitution.

 

[skysolo]

Exactly. Voting should not be as easy as possible, unless you want to cheat.

Voting shouldn't be easy is exactly how it's written in the constitution.

 

[Natural Order]

Very quick google shows that CA does try and help with this. No fee for oldsters and homeless. Reduced fee for the housed poors ($11).

Reduced Fee ID Cards​

Generally, there is a nonrefundable fee to apply for a new ID card, to renew an ID card, or to change your name on your ID card. In certain circumstances, the fee may be waived or reduced:

• Reduced fee ID card: You may be eligible to pay a reduced application fee for an original or renewal ID card if you meet income requirements for selected governmental or non-profit assistance programs. If you are eligible, the program will give you a completed Verification for Reduced Fee Identification Card (DL 937) form to take to DMV office. See your local public assistance program agency for information about eligibility requirements and obtaining a DL 937.
• No-fee ID card: You may be eligible for a no-fee ID card if you are a “homeless person” as defined by the McKinney-Vento Act. This includes (but isn’t limited to) a homeless child or youth, a homeless person, or an individual or family fleeing domestic violence, dating violence, sexual assault, stalking, or another dangerous, life-threatening condition.
• Senior ID card: To qualify for a no-fee senior citizen ID card, you must be at least 62 years old.

ID Cards - California DMV

How to get an ID card

www.dmv.ca.gov

Being stalked entitles you to free ID. Good to know!

 

[Fergelmince]

Yea because there was so much widespread voter fraud in all the years we've had no id requirement.

That never happened. Stopped believing conspiracy theories.

Yes, stop believing idiotic conspiracy theories like "Poor people are too stupid and poor to get an id."

 

[sickc0d3r]

In practical terms, how does it actually work if you don’t have an ID? Do you just show up and say you are the person and they just let you in to vote? I voted today in Texas and every person there including myself walked up to the person handed them our drivers license and then we voted. I’m not even positive how it would happen without an ID.

You give them your name, they check the list to see if you’re on it, and if so, you sign in and they give you a ballot. If you’re not on the list you get a provisional ballot. I think lots of counties require you to bring your mail in ballot with you, since every registered voter gets one. Which seems silly since there’s a drop box, but whatever.

 

[Rob Battisti]

You give them your name, they check the list to see if you’re on it, and if so, you sign in and they give you a ballot. If you’re not on the list you get a provisional ballot. I think lots of counties require you to bring your mail in ballot with you, since every registered voter gets one. Which seems silly since there’s a drop box, but whatever.

Couldn’t I just say I am my neighbor in that event?

 

[Vampire life]

Republicans keep pushing for voter ID because they know a lot of people in the Democratic base do not have valid ID's.

The scare tactic they keep using is that there is widespread voter fraud or illegals voting - which is simply not true.

Wrong

 

[KAZSoliloquy]

Couldn’t I just say I am my neighbor in that event?

why would you?

 

[sickc0d3r]

Couldn’t I just say I am my neighbor in that event?

Yeah, probably. If you’re sure your neighbor won’t vote you might get away with it. Your signature needs to match or it’ll get flagged. If you both vote, they’ll both get flagged as duplicates. If you get caught, you’ll face jail time. Not sure the benefit (like you think you’re actually changing anything?) of casting an illegal vote or two in a place where cameras are watching is worth the risk to many people. I’m guessing that’s why it’s never been a real problem.

 

[Rob Battisti]

Yeah, probably. If you’re sure your neighbor won’t vote you might get away with it. Your signature needs to match or it’ll get flagged. If you both vote, they’ll both get flagged as duplicates. If you get caught, you’ll face jail time. Not sure the benefit (like you think you’re actually changing anything?) of casting an illegal vote or two in a place where cameras are watching is worth the risk to many people. I’m guessing that’s why it’s never been a real problem.

But how would they know it was me?

 

[sickc0d3r]

But how would they know it was me?

If your vote gets flagged they’ve got you on camera at the time and place the vote was cast, forging a signature and committing a class 5 felony (at least in my state).

You’re asking the wrong questions, anyway. That other poster asked the right one, why would anyone bother? What’s the benefit?

 

[Rob Battisti]

If your vote gets flagged they’ve got you on camera at the time and place the vote was cast, forging a signature and committing a class 5 felony (at least in my state).

You’re asking the wrong questions, anyway. That other poster asked the right one, why would anyone bother? What’s the benefit?

I was more just curious of the mechanics. Sounds like it’s definitely possible.

The place I was in today had no cameras.

 

[sickc0d3r]

I was more just curious of the mechanics. Sounds like it’s definitely possible.

The place I was in today had no cameras.

Of course, yeah, it’s possible. Even if you don’t get caught, you have no idea if your vote will end up being counted because of signature screening and duplicate detection, but, yeah, definitely possible.

 

[KaNesDeath]

Find it hilarious that republicans of the MAGA branch now want a national ID system. Simply because Trump has kept spewing lies about voter fraud from losing the last three elections. Shit, even when Trump won in 2016 he proclaimed voter fraud because he didnt win the popular vote.

 

[Bia]

Republicans keep pushing for voter ID because they know a lot of people in the Democratic base do not have valid ID's.

The scare tactic they keep using is that there is widespread voter fraud or illegals voting - which is simply not true.

i thought the people in Democrat base are the intelligent & educated ones?

 

[Hog-train]

i thought the people in Democrat base are the intelligent & educated ones?

A lot of them are elderly people.

 

[Dalarna3]

Eh constitution says otherwise

every citizen over the age of 18 has a right to vote. the constitution doesn't say anything about requiring government issued ID to vote. and poll taxes have been outlawed since 1965 via the 24'th amendment.

what part of the constitution do you disagree with?

I would be in favor of an amendment to making voting possible only with ID and only in person.

 

[idrankyourbeer]

I would be in favor of an amendment to making voting possible only with ID and only in person.

okay, remember that poll taxes are unconstitutional and prohibited due to the 24'th amendment. with that being said, would you be in favor of giving every citizen a free id and making sure that every citizen is within walking distance of a polling station?

or is that simply just not going to work, and this was never really about having proper id in the first place, it was about suppressing voters that may not vote the way that you want them to?

now everybody has id's and then what? after you still get record numbers of people voting against you, do you decide to move election days to wednesday morning between the hours of 6 am - 9 am because it's way too easy for people to vote on tuesdays if they have all day to vote, and we damn sure can't be having election days on a weekend otherwise that would make it easier for people to exercise their constitutional right to vote and we really don't want that when our party and our politics is becoming unpopular among the majority of americans and we aren't gaining enough voters so we have to suppress them.

and why are you against mail in voting? is it because of all the fraud that donald trump never once alleged in any court in the land, related to the election where every official from the top down and even his own attorney general deemed as a free and fair election and there was no evidence of widespread election fraud? or are we basing this off of those 10 or 11 registered republicans who got caught committing real world acts of election related real world crimes, and that is why the entire voting process needs to change?

i mean yeah, i'm sure you'd just love to spend your days crowding around your only polling station in town only to find out that time is up and you can no longer vote because of some kind of technical errors, or some trumptards calling in a bomb threat or some shit.

you do know that donald trump has cast in his vote in the general election via mail in ballot in both 2016, and 2020, correct? they should probably just throw out his vote too right? or is that diffe(r)ent?

you chuds wouldn't be so against mail in voting if it was the republicans who had the tendency to vote that way, and if it wasn't donald trump telling you to be against mail in voting and telling you at each of his rallies for all of 2020 to only vote in person, because he concocted a scheme just to try to have all of the mail in votes thrown out in all of the swing states he needed to win for no constitutional or legal reason at all, in just another one of his many failed attempts to steal a free and fair election because he couldn't win it by votes.

but i'm guessing providing free ID, and a polling station within walking distance of every american citizen would be a bridge too far hey? and perhaps free caregiver pickup and an express line for the elderly, and others who have disabilities or mobility issues too. oh wait, i better stop, we don't want to make it any easier for people to execerise their constitutional rights now would we? that would just be unpatriotic.