Elections California bans voter ID

[emefer]

Couldn’t I just say I am my neighbor in that event?

Do you think you could forge your neighbors signature?

 

[lsa]

How do you function in the modern world with out an ID?
This is such a weird subject for me.
Where I live you cant be an adult, working and having a life with out an ID.
Hell I just ordered shit of eBay and I know I will need ID to pick it up at the pick up spot next week.
I had an ID since I was 13 IIRC. Its simply a must.

 

[emefer]

I was more just curious of the mechanics. Sounds like it’s definitely possible.

The place I was in today had no cameras.

Try it. Let us know how it works out.

How many people would need to do this and get away with it to change an election?

 

[emefer]

How do you function in the modern world with out an ID?
This is such a weird subject for me.
Where I live you cant be an adult, working and having a life with out an ID.
Hell I just ordered shit of eBay and I know I will need ID to pick it up at the pick up spot next week.
I had an ID since I was 13 IIRC. Its simply a must.

The only time I need id is to get on a plane or buy beer at certain stores that require them to scan it to make an alcohol purchase. I can go to other stores for alcohol that don’t require that and I’m old and they don’t ask for id.
needing to id myself isn’t a regular thing.

 

[Bia]

A lot of them are elderly people.

I see, i thought the argument against voter id is racism against the poorer community. Did not know it's also discriminate against the elderly

 

[djacobox372]

How do you function in the modern world with out an ID?
This is such a weird subject for me.
Where I live you cant be an adult, working and having a life with out an ID.
Hell I just ordered shit of eBay and I know I will need ID to pick it up at the pick up spot next week.
I had an ID since I was 13 IIRC. Its simply a must.

let me guess you're not really poor or really old.

Also, when you showed your ID how carefully did they check the expiration date?

There is zero evidence of a problem yet for some reason one side is pushing a solution super hard... how do you function in the modern world without understanding that that is sus as hell?

 

[djacobox372]

I see, i thought the argument against voter id is racism against the poorer community. Did not know it's also discriminate against the elderly

It's just simple math: If, in tight races, you suppress the voting of the poor and elderly it tips the race in favor of the GOP.

 

[lsa]

The only time I need id is to get on a plane or buy beer at certain stores that require them to scan it to make an alcohol purchase. I can go to other stores for alcohol that don’t require that and I’m old and they don’t ask for id.
needing to id myself isn’t a regular thing.

Here its a must.
You must be able to show ID, if you buy alcohol, enter night clubs, pick up post / parcels, doctors / hospital visits, bank, the list goes on.
I dont understand how you can function in a modern world with out being able to prove your identity.

I don't know a single person who does not have any form of ID, be it a drivers licence, passport or ID card.

 

[Hog-train]

I see, i thought the argument against voter id is racism against the poorer community. Did not know it's also discriminate against the elderly

Yea poor minority and elderly people. Often a combination of all three.

 

[lsa]

let me guess you're not really poor or really old.

Also, when you showed your ID how carefully did they check the expiration date?

There is zero evidence of a problem yet for some reason one side is pushing a solution super hard... how do you function in the modern world without understanding that that is sus as hell?

My mom is +83 and she has an ID card.
Most times, they scan my ID card so yes they do check if its valid,
the scanner would complain is my ID was old.
Most people has 2 forms of ID, drivers licence and a passport.

Secondly I dont live in the US, here we show ID when voting, its a must.
Its has never been weird to me to be able to ID my self when asked.

I even have a digital ID in my phone, used mostly online for banking and contact with government (IRS, health care and so on).

 

[Dalarna3]

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[Dalarna3]

okay, remember that poll taxes are unconstitutional and prohibited due to the 24'th amendment. with that being said, would you be in favor of giving every citizen a free id and making sure that every citizen is within walking distance of a polling station?

or is that simply just not going to work, and this was never really about having proper id in the first place, it was about suppressing voters that may not vote the way that you want them to?

now everybody has id's and then what? after you still get record numbers of people voting against you, do you decide to move election days to wednesday morning between the hours of 6 am - 9 am because it's way too easy for people to vote on tuesdays if they have all day to vote, and we damn sure can't be having election days on a weekend otherwise that would make it easier for people to exercise their constitutional right to vote and we really don't want that when our party and our politics is becoming unpopular among the majority of americans and we aren't gaining enough voters so we have to suppress them.

and why are you against mail in voting? is it because of all the fraud that donald trump never once alleged in any court in the land, related to the election where every official from the top down and even his own attorney general deemed as a free and fair election and there was no evidence of widespread election fraud? or are we basing this off of those 10 or 11 registered republicans who got caught committing real world acts of election related real world crimes, and that is why the entire voting process needs to change?

i mean yeah, i'm sure you'd just love to spend your days crowding around your only polling station in town only to find out that time is up and you can no longer vote because of some kind of technical errors, or some trumptards calling in a bomb threat or some shit.

you do know that donald trump has cast in his vote in the general election via mail in ballot in both 2016, and 2020, correct? they should probably just throw out his vote too right? or is that diffe(r)ent?

you chuds wouldn't be so against mail in voting if it was the republicans who had the tendency to vote that way, and if it wasn't donald trump telling you to be against mail in voting and telling you at each of his rallies for all of 2020 to only vote in person, because he concocted a scheme just to try to have all of the mail in votes thrown out in all of the swing states he needed to win for no constitutional or legal reason at all, in just another one of his many failed attempts to steal a free and fair election because he couldn't win it by votes.

but i'm guessing providing free ID, and a polling station within walking distance of every american citizen would be a bridge too far hey? and perhaps free caregiver pickup and an express line for the elderly, and others who have disabilities or mobility issues too. oh wait, i better stop, we don't want to make it any easier for people to execerise their constitutional rights now would we? that would just be unpatriotic.

>unironically calling people chud
You're going off on all of these wild tangents because requiring proof of identification before someone votes is a very simple, reasonable request and so is in person voting.

 

[idrankyourbeer]

>unironically calling people chud
You're going off on all of these wild tangents because requiring proof of identification before someone votes is a very simple, reasonable request and so is in person voting.

the constitution doesnt say anything about ID or in person voting, and i asked the same question twice just to make sure you wouldn't miss it the first time, and you still want to do the dance. perhaps you missed it so i will ask again.

so would you be in favor of providing every citizen a FREE id valid through the election period, and ensuring that every citizen has easy access to a polling station on the day of the election so that they can exercise their constitutional right to vote?

 

[Fox by the Sea]

Election laws are handled at the state level.

More importantly there really isn't much evidence of wide spread voter fraud. The reason the GOP wants voter ID laws is to make it harder for their outgroups to vote and they've admitted as much before.

Yes I've read this copy paste before. Why aren't states like California giving out free id's then? Nobody seems to be able to answer this question.

 

[Darkballs]

So your argument is its a poll tax?

My state anyway

"If a voter does not have an acceptable photo ID, they can get one for free from their county board of elections. Learn more at Get a Free Voter Photo ID. Voters can also get a free ID card from the N.C. Division of Motor Vehicles (NCDMV)."

Nah. It's an extra step not mentioned in the Constitution. That's an infringement on it's face.

You're best bet would be to actual show voter fraud and start poking at strict scrutiny there. Too bad it doesn't exist.

 

[Dalarna3]

the constitution doesnt say anything about ID or in person voting, and i asked the same question twice just to make sure you wouldn't miss it the first time, and you still want to do the dance. perhaps you missed it so i will ask again.

so would you be in favor of providing every citizen a FREE id valid through the election period, and ensuring that every citizen has easy access to a polling station on the day of the election so that they can exercise their constitutional right to vote?

I absolutely think that every citizen should have an ID and reasonably easy access to a polling place.

 

[idrankyourbeer]

I absolutely think that every citizen should have an ID and reasonably easy access to a polling place.

keyword free. i capitalized it, maybe i should have used crayons and made it nice and big for you and i might not have to ask you the same thing for the fourth time now.

 

[Dalarna3]

keyword free. i capitalized it, maybe i should have used crayons and made it nice and big for you and i might not have to ask you the same thing for the fourth time now.

I don’t recall ever having to pay for an ID. I’m pretty sure you don’t have to pay for a social security card when you’re born, for example. Again, this is going off on a tangent because you have no response to the basic premise.

 

[idrankyourbeer]

I don’t recall ever having to pay for an ID. I’m pretty sure you don’t have to pay for a social security card when you’re born, for example. Again, this is going off on a tangent because you have no response to the basic premise.

what basic premise? all you talking about all of the non-existance evidence of widespread election fraud that donald trump and his all star team of lawyers (only the best!) never once alleged throughout any court in the land? or just to try to stop any potential of the election fraud fairy and the ghost of hugo chavez from making their grand appearance one of these days but just not today?

or is this simply about suppressing more voters who might not vote the way you want them to because the party is becoming more and more unpopular amongst the majority of voters, and even with all the gerrrymandering it's still hard to pick up more voters considering that they remain unpopular amongst millenials, and a bulk of their voters are old timers who are starting to expire?

despite some form of id being required to vote in most states, i'm surprised the rubes haven't been super obvious about what they are trying to do and start lobbying to require people to show their firearms licenses and prove their affliation with the local christian church just to be able to vote in an election. the party doesn't want to move forward, they're too busy going backwards trying to take more of peoples rights away that they fought for, so may as well bring it all the way back to the jim crow era i guess.

 

[MDoza]

Here its a must.
You must be able to show ID, if you buy alcohol, enter night clubs, pick up post / parcels, doctors / hospital visits, bank, the list goes on.
I dont understand how you can function in a modern world with out being able to prove your identity.

I don't know a single person who does not have any form of ID, be it a drivers licence, passport or ID card.

Many legitimately poor old people don’t go to night clubs, don’t go to the doctor, don’t drive, don’t travel. Sending a letter in the mail is the extent of their postal experience.

They don’t really participate in the “modern world”. They have lived in their house in a small town their entire lives. Everyone in town knows them. When you are 60+ you don’t need ID for liquor/cigs.

They probably have a grandchild that has ID and will take care of things that require ID for them.

Hell some of these people don’t even have their birth certificates.